We are at the Afghan cafe Ariana in Paddington where we will be broadcasting from today.
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Forget the UTUBE problems. Buy rich food and eat it for me. Yesterday was a hatefest against the fat. Be the last minority it is OK to hate–get fat and start today. I aspire to obesity now that WHYS showed me the light. If you want a hater detector, put on some pounds. You are in a caf, so start now. And good luck with your technical problems.
Why should Afghanistan continue to exist?
It is a perennial failed state.
Couldn’t Western powers and Afghanistans neighbours be better served by just dividing the country up on ethnic and linguistic lines.
Let’s face it after the allies leave how long will the country hold together before a warlord or the Taliban tries to take over?
Folks have free will. Some believe it a gift from God; but regardless, most everyone likes to use it. Perhaps the Afghanis would enjoy deciding their own future.
This is a great discussion. What can a US citizen do to support more Afghan voices educating us?
Salaam. It is good to hear the views of real Afghans. We must carefullly hear their views and try more to pay close attention to their chief goals and common denominators of opinion. This is more like Afghanistan for the Afghans. And that is what we need to accomplish, Afghans all reintegrated and running their own nation in unity with equal rights for each group there as individuals, for representation in accord with the number of each group, and with respect for women’s rights.
But they don’t have any positive goals, only what they don’t want foreigners, i.e. infidels occupying their country, although apparently infidel money is OK.
We (non-Afghanis of a non-Muslim persuasion) are not wanted, we can do nothing to sort them out because we are infidels, so what the hell are we doing there? Wasting young lives of all kinds in a pointless pursuit of a phantasm that is al Q’aida.
Can we have one person speak at one time? Everyone is speaking very loudly over the top of each other. Thanks.
Why is no mention made of Ahmad shah Massoud’s vision of Afghanistan. Has he been forgotten by this generation of Afghans?
I am an Australian and when i fought i fought for Afghanistan not Australia but i fought knowing who and what Massouds path was for his people.
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Surely the crisis in Afghanistan is due to its recent historical importance strategically.
It is being jettisoned into the modern world ,because of the interests of Foreign Powers, but it is also still in the Dark Ages , where corruption and Warlords were the order of the day.
….What the hell do you expect !!!!
I must say, the more I hear, the more I’m convinced that western powers need to get out of Afghanistan fast. Let’s simply “reserve the right” to strike at Al Qaeda camps, and let the Afghanis fend for themselves.
Nation building from foreign powers is such a losing proposition. All I have to do is hear about “power in the hands of the infidels” and “I support jihad” to be completely convinced we have nothing in common.
Let’s keep the eye on the ball. Our interest is Al Qaeda, period. Whatever jihads the Afghanis want, I DO NOT think we in the West want to participate in. At all.
if all the aid forces were to start planting fruit trees in the form of a beautiful PERMACULTURE garden in Afghanistan, everyone would join in, and the violent ones be isolated and vastly outnumbered… game over and peace will reign, and the arms dealers have less business.
btwis there an FM frequency to listen to the WORLD SERVICE in London?
I have searched all over the bbc web site and I cant find it…. help please?
many thanks; it is good to hear some views from the Afghan people for a change.
Thank you WHYS for a truly informative programme – that “discussion”, with everyone trying to shout each other down should serve as an object lesson for anyone who thinks it is possible to sort out this mess that the West has exacerbated but not actually caused.
The demand for the occupying troops to get out is fine, but why is that also accompanied by constant whingeing about poverty, corruption and the counter demand for these evil occupiers to fix this benighted country before they leave it, only for it to fall back into the same mire.
The people at the venue in London were completely lacking in any sort of logic or objectivity, while enjoying all the security and freedom of speech and action the UK offers, not to mention education, although I wonder about this supposedly Masters level student who is incapable of critical thinking on even the most basic level, ho humm, I suppose UK universities need to pay their rent by accepting substandard students who pay very high fees. The woman in particular would not have had the slightest chance, in a Taliban-style society, to air her views among a (heaven forbid) mixed gender group, but apparently that still gives her the right to rail against the very society that offers her that privilege.
I thought it brilliant that Ros let them get on with it, and didn’t intervene to moderate as he usually does, and thus demonstrate to all those deluded Crusaders that this was, is and always be a lost cause.
We are on a hiding to nothing in Afghanistan, so let’s get out now and let them get on with it.
@gary Afghanistan is not a nation state (one people one language one culture).If they decided their future why were the russians ,pakistanis USA and allies over there. For the sake of world security we should call time on Afghanistan and divide it up.
Free will is a bit of an abstract academic concept when applied to backward countries like those in SAARC.
An interesting programme. i couldn’t get over the irony of a group of Afghans, who have deserted their country, and probably don’t intend to go back, shouting over one another about what the people who have chosen to stay there should do. It’s a bit like listening to the rantings of ex-brits in some themed ‘English bar’ in Spain.
i as an afghan want to favor international troops to secure my country but strategy of cleaning the area out of taliban is wrong killing innocent civilians in name of taliban so probably killing one civilian raise ten talibs and some talibs are paid by international troops to not extinguish the fire so they not be asked to get the troops out they have their own missions here not to help us
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