28
Dec
09

Why isn’t the world supporting the democratically elected government of Iran ?

Anti-government protests  in Tehran over the weekend have left at least eight people dead and over 300 people  arrested.  

 The bloody images splattered across the world’s media say it all. This is Iran’s next revolution in the making say Des Pardes  . 

For other’s it’s the start of civil war.

Broadly speaking, the tone of the editorials is one of supporting the plucky protesters over the “ruthless” Ahmedinejad regime.

The President himself insists the country is “united”, but just because many outside  Iran find his views and statements unpalatable, why is there such unflinching support for the demonstrations ? 

So should the world  step in or stay out ?
Roger Cohen believes it’s time to opt for inertia.

‘The west must not respond with the sledgehammer of sanctions whose message is “our way or the highway”. Rather, it must borrow an Iranian lesson: inertia. When the Berlin Wall came down, Francis Fukuyama famously predicted “the universalisation of western liberal democracy as the final form of human government”. In Iran now, many of the forces of 1989 are present, but the reformists’ quest is not for something “western”.’

This piece in Forbes suggests the regime is in its final days anyway.

 The Tretnonian agrees adding that  it’s only a matter of time before democracy comes to Iran

And last week the Iranian opposition rival Mehdi Karroubi told the Times that “The challenges in this country should be solved by its own people.”

 So is the best thing that the West can do for Iran is learn from the  revolutions of 1989  and do absolutely nothing?


87 Responses to “Why isn’t the world supporting the democratically elected government of Iran ?”


  1. 1 Patrick
    December 28, 2009 at 10:44

    The west should help Iran by stopping its incitement of the youth of Iran to rebel. The west is responsible for the rebels of Iran getting hurt because western propaganda incited them to rebel. The western influence is a sorrupting influence and the internet should be destroyed in order to protect social order from being destabilized. Western media is a threat to public safety and needs to be arrested like a criminal and thrown in the garbage where it belongs. The BBC is somewhat impartial and good on a lot of things but on the Iran situation the bbc has been an agitator on the side of western imperialism and I am not sure if that is due to absent-mindedness or if there are sinister forces at work in the bbc who are subverting an otherise good news organization.

    • 2 Mark Longton
      December 28, 2009 at 14:15

      Patrick,
      All the Iranians I know in the UK wish that the current regime in Iran would disappear. They are Iranians who personally fought for the revolution in 1979 but who see the emerged government as the antithesis of Islamic values and as a group of thugs who repress the Iranian people whilst creating unnecessary conflict with the rest of the world. They think atomic technology in the hands of such people would be devastating and they fully support the bravery of Iranians who are peacefully demonstrating against the Iranian Government inside Iran.

      • 3 johnqeniac
        December 28, 2009 at 19:40

        sooo.. we should encourage the students to riot, and attack and occupy iran in order to establish a democratic government, as we have so wonderfully done in iraq and afghanistan? are you ready to join the invading force?

    • December 28, 2009 at 15:48

      Patrick,
      You are so right, but more than that, the sinister forces are now spread throughout the world, and the media is trying hard to print a version of news that they are making up, thus favouring lying propaganda over truth.

      Most certainly absent-mindedness has absolutely nothing to do with it all, but perhaps laziness and the chase for easy money has quite a lot to do with it as far as the West is concerned.

      The easy money is just like the oil, it dominates the world scene at present but in time it will dry up, and then the truth will be revealed and understood, but much too late!

    • 5 Me
      December 30, 2009 at 10:20

      “The western influence is a sorrupting influence and the internet should be destroyed in order to protect social order from being destabilized.”

      That is an absolutely absurd statement.

  2. 6 Linda from Italy
    December 28, 2009 at 10:56

    The only thing “The West” can do to help Iran is to keep out of their business. While most of us would like to rally around the protesters, that would be the worst possible move, as it would back up the regime’s assertions that the whole thing is some sort of dastardly CIA plot.
    It would seem, from reports I’ve heard on the BBC, that the unrest has moved out of its narrow base in Teheran University, spreading to other towns and involving a wider demographic. It also seems to have evolved from a protest against the stolen election and the president responsible for this, to a general expression of dissatisfaction with the Supreme Leader, effectively the top tier of government. Perhaps this SL shot himself in the foot by appearing to be politically partisan and backing the wrong horse, or any horse at all, so all the rest of the world can, and should do is observe and keep our fingers crossed.
    The West is largely responsible for strengthening Iran’s regional power base by destroying Iraq, let’s hope we’ve learnt our lesson.

  3. 7 james Ian
    December 28, 2009 at 11:22

    Yeah, everyone needs to butt out! That’s one of the reasons everyone over there hate us, is because we always get involved in things that we shouldn’t. For once I hope we do the right thing and butt out!

  4. 8 Nigel
    December 28, 2009 at 12:08

    Surely it is the West that is stirring the unrest covertly like they always do.

  5. 9 Linda from Italy
    December 28, 2009 at 12:57

    @Patrick
    “The western influence is a sorrupting influence and the internet should be destroyed in order to protect social order from being destabilized.”

    Some questions to you.
    Hold back the tide? Put the cat back in the bag? Precisely whose social order needs to be protected? Is a stable society better than an unjust one (see China)?

  6. 10 Frank in the USA
    December 28, 2009 at 13:20

    A country has a right to stop marauding gangs of “protesters” from throwing bricks at people and setting cars and buildings on fire. The Iranian government has shown a fair amount of patience in my opinion. They are not required by any law known to man to permit anarchy, chaos and violence to overrun their nation.

    The West needs to keep it’s collective mouth shut lest it be called a hypocrite when one day it is forced to take similar action to protect its citizens.

    Let common sense prevail.

    • December 28, 2009 at 14:43

      Perhaps you have been living in a cave without the news, or much internet connection. The footage shot and sent from mobile phones of the people at these protests CLEARLY show that the violence is coming FROM the government, and only in the last conflict was there any sort of rioting, and if you are actually an American then you should know about the violence in protests over civil rights here, began by police, accentuated by the crowd who the whole world now sees as having been on the “right” side. You post :

      ” Iranian government has shown a fair amount of patience in my opinion. ”

      How can you possibly justify that obviously ignorant of the facts remark? And exactly why did you put quotes around the word protesters? Do you think they are actually secret service agents pretending to be protesters or what?

      That being said, the “West” DOES need to keep out of things from a governmental point, but there is no harm in private citizens supporting the protesters.

  7. 12 Ronald Almeida
    December 28, 2009 at 13:28

    Yes! The Western world should leave the rest of the world alone. They have already manipulated and taken advatage of it enough, believing they know better. In reality they know nothing.

  8. 13 Mark Longton
    December 28, 2009 at 14:40

    I think we are doing the right thing by staying out of Iran’s business. The most important thing for Iranians, I think, is that they should forge their own political destiny. The Persians are an ancient people with an ancient culture who are famous for what can be considered the earliest known bill of human rights which protected religious and ethnic minorities. Their struggle looks set to be long and it won’t be over even if the regime does fall, but it is being fought and it is being fought peacefully and by the people.

    All I can say is good luck and may human excellence on every level prevail.

  9. 14 ARTHUR NJUGUNA
    December 28, 2009 at 14:47

    Where are western forms of government successful in the Muslim world? Saud Arabia? Egypt? Dubai? My guess is none. It is not clear what is taking place in Iran too whether its religous or political or exclusive religio socialism; which is the main political order in Muslim world. All I know is that there seems to be misguided demonstrations whose objective is not clear and whose aims are changing by day.

  10. 15 Mike in Seattle
    December 28, 2009 at 15:01

    This isn’t a fight that the west can win on behalf of those wronged in a false election. In the mean time, understand that nuclear proliferation is something President Obama has been working to slow down since he was a senator for the state of Illinois. He has to treat the current leader of Iran as legitimate to some extent if he and other leaders wish to deal with the nuclear issue.

    It’s a shame that every plan seems to fizzle out.

  11. 16 Davies Nkausu
    December 28, 2009 at 15:07

    I think it is high time the world sat down and redefine what democracy is.
    many despots have sprang up and Africa is a fertile ground for that.

    Democracy demands for respect for the wishes of the majority (of course not the hoodwinked majority).
    Democracy demands for free and fair elections
    Democracy demands for the respect of human rights
    Democracy demands freedom of expression
    Democracy demands for good governance

    If the Iranian government continue to brutally kill its own citzen then it defies logical and I can assure you it is a good recepie for anarch as we continue to witness in Iran.

  12. 17 jens
    December 28, 2009 at 15:28

    Patrick,

    i hope the irony of your call for the destruction of the internet using the internet does not escape you.

  13. 18 jens
    December 28, 2009 at 15:37

    there is a hugh difference between arabs and persians. persians are in general well educated people and have had a very open outlook towards other socienties, including the west. if there is a country in this region where democracy can take hold I fundamentaly believe iran is the one. people are sick and tired of supression.

  14. 19 ECKLOPPER
    December 28, 2009 at 15:49

    I’ve been following the developments in Iran for the last two days again. It’s unbelievable that the western media (Dutch) show almost nothing of what is going on there! It should not make a difference where in the world this happens, it should be stopped!
    How can a “government” treat it’s people like this? More important how is it possible that the entire western world only wants to use words, while this regime uses batons, teargas and bullets!
    My heart goes out to all the citizens who live in a country suppressed by a regime! I’m not saying that the western way is the way to go, but this has to stop! When are we going to act instead of watch!!!
    Freedom fighters of Iran: If the will is there the bullets will be stopped! Fight for your future and the future of the world!

  15. 20 Gary Paudler
    December 28, 2009 at 16:20

    It would be nice if there was a democratically-elected government for us to support in Iran. Have we so easily forgotten Neda Soltani’s murder and the vicious suppression of all dissent by the Iranian government? Dissent is a good thing. Autocratic rule must always be questioned and the protesting students, and others, are showing great courage knowing, as they do, the regime’s propensity for disproportionately violent responses to anybody who dares to question their illegitimate stranglehold.

  16. 21 Farzan from Iran
    December 28, 2009 at 16:40

    Hi , I’m from Iran , I don’t know what you exactly think about Iran and Iranian people, But I live here , I live among these people who all the TVs and social networks are speaking about them these days , I know them clearly . you know , most of them don’t want Mousavi or Karubi as president ,they just need them to shout they words to the World , they look like me , want free society and free approachable Information in all types .
    I think , that it’s on our way to reach what we want , I don’t expect any country among the world to help us by military solution , I just expect them to stop their tradings with Islamic Government . for example , When I heard that one of the American senators going to come Iran I burst feeling bad about USA , I don’t mind what USA did , I just mind what USA will be doing , and other countries as well .
    and , at last I expect you all to support us , even by your wishes in words . I know that today Iran is an Islamic country , but you know that It wasn’t long time ago , We are not Arab , We are Persian ,and there is lots of differences between a country what keep the Islam by fight and a country what make Islam itself . there are , in Iran , many flexible youth minds who looking for Modern world with equality among male and female .

    ” I’m sorry if I spelled English in errors .”

  17. 22 egherman
    December 28, 2009 at 16:42

    I lived in Iran for four years. Every single one of my friends and family and acquaintances have spoken with one voice: in June they hoped for small changes and a bit more personal freedom. The election results were blatantly fraudulent and that is why 3 million people took to the streets in Tehran. People were so filled with hope and the regime dashed it. Now this regime has decided that power is so important that they are willing to do anything to keep it. They are responsible for radicalizing people, not the West.

    The people I met in Iran want freedom and engagement with the West, the East, the North, and the South. Why shouldn’t they have it?

  18. December 28, 2009 at 16:49

    Salaam,
    On a side note, I just wanted to say that I as a practicing Muslim Shia am completely disgusted by what’s happened yesterday in Iran on Ashura… Ashura is the most sacred religious occasion in the Islamic Shia calender, and it should only be dedicated to grieving and mourning Imam Hussein and his loyal followers… Shame on whoever hijacks Ashura for his/her own political agenda… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

  19. 24 Saeed
    December 28, 2009 at 16:54

    The other countries must not support Iran’s un-elected coup government. They should not recognise this government as a legitimate one.

  20. 25 egherman
    December 28, 2009 at 16:56

    In response to the question at hand, I would add that there is plenty that citizens can do to show support for civil and human rights in Iran:

    – Keep the names of those arrested in the public eye and write letters to their own government and to the Iranian government so that those people do not disappear.

    – Support movements like United4Iran that are supporting human and civil rights in Iran.

    – Watch for actions from Amnesty, International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran, and Reporters without Borders

    It would be best for governments to simply stop doing business with this regime until human rights violations cease. There is no need for actual sanctions if the governments simply stop dealing with the Revolutionary Guard subsidiaries.

  21. 26 Amin
    December 28, 2009 at 16:57

    There is a problem with your question: Iran has no democratically government by any standard except Saudi Arabia!

  22. 27 Anthony
    December 28, 2009 at 17:03

    Because any enemy of your enemy is your ally.

    -Anthony, LA, CA

  23. December 28, 2009 at 17:07

    Reason is that excepting the US and UK, rest of the world feels Iran is being unfairly targeted by both US and UK for their own geo political interests..Another reason is that like Muammar Qaddafi and Hugo Chavaz ,President of Iran is seen as a man who challenges US openly which most of the world’s leaders would like to do but are not or can not.

  24. December 28, 2009 at 17:13

    Having an election does not turn a country into a democracy.Other things have to essentially follow,like some of those stated by Davies Nkausu.Zimbabwe had elections,Kazakhstan had parlimentary elections as did Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.None of those qualify as democratic.Primarily I would say it is up to the Iranian people to decide what kind of government they want.But whatever it is,it has to be removeable by fair election.I did notice that they are now arresting opposition party people,not very democratic,not even a good idea.

  25. 30 Alan in Arizona
    December 28, 2009 at 17:38

    Probably because they see Akmad-whatever his name is, as being no better than George W., beating Al Gore in Florida, or Putin, controlling his elections (not Russia’s), or Venezuela’s dictator! You know, the short funny guy with the Castor Complex.

    Seriously! Who wants to support a liar? Or a cheat! Or a thief! The world wants political honesty and sincerity.

    It’s as simple as that.

  26. December 28, 2009 at 18:07

    Obviously the brutal strong-arm tactics methods adopted by the government like shooting and arresting demonstrators have added to the serious dimension of the struggle. The situation is obviously so serious that President Ahmadinejad is determined to stay on in power come what may by the barrel of the gun and by brute force. The Opposition is losing key prominent leaders and the bloodshed is taking Iran down the road of anarchy. What a pity!

  27. December 28, 2009 at 18:16

    The west will never support any nation that has different ideaologies about how they should be governed specialy Iran. Western leaders are too greedy and naive to let this moment pass without a mark. They are( western leaders) simply goats in a green forest that has an everlasting vegetation and will graze anywhere.

  28. 33 Insan Mukmin
    December 28, 2009 at 18:16

    Who has the most to fear from the pro-democracy demonstrations in Iran? Answer :- Other Muslim dictators.
    In fact, most leaders of Muslim countries are dictators. Their secret hope is that Iran can quell and silence these pro-democratic demonstrations as fast as possible lest it spreads to other Muslim countries.

    • 34 Mehdi
      December 29, 2009 at 02:54

      You are right, this is not just iranian people’s problem but all the Muslim dictator’s government problem. We want free country not relijious and backward.
      If western countries involve themselves in our problem,it will be bad for iranian people because Mulla’s will say we are supported by bad western countries and they will kill us easier. This is the steps we should go and learn by our mistakes like kid to walk. Politic should be seperated from believes,otherwise religious government fools ordinary pepole But Western countries better show our (iranian) activities and what we are trying to say and do to their own people not just buy oil under the table from Mulla’s( Iranian religious government ) Oil will finish in close future and we better think more about other sources of energy and saving our planet by recycling. We ( Iranians) have long way to go to learn how to respect eachother and other’s rights unfortunatly. My believe is to respect everybodies believe and idea. We (Iranians ) are very inteligent but we don’t obay any rule or regulation’s what so ever. We don’t know how to drive between lines or line up yet. I hope next generation of us have better life before the planet will go out of it’s orbit.

  29. 35 t
    December 28, 2009 at 18:31

    Not too long ago, Seymour Hersh documented secret U.S. (and U.K.) special forces attacks inside Iran (to destabilize the govt). Innocent people were killed in these “terrorist” attacks.

    What did they accomplish? Nothing whatsoever. Further blockades will do what? Only add to the violence happening now. Despite all the threats, (other than Israel), no other country is going to overthrow the Iranian govt.

  30. 37 Elias
    December 28, 2009 at 18:32

    Because the feeling is they were democractically elected in a fraudelent and crooked election result. There is no doubt the Ahmedinejad regime is “ruthless”.
    Some ountries are better off with a dictatorship to keep its population from running amock with desasterous consequences as was in the case of Iraq under Sadam Hussien, Yougoslavia under President Tito, We have seen the result of trying to democratise these countries. Better China politically stay as they are, rather than to let loose havoc under democracy.
    However, the people of Iran deserve a better form of government that they can accept, the present government is tarnished in many ways, which its people cannot live with, hence the revolt against them is understandable.

  31. 38 steve/oregon
    December 28, 2009 at 18:40

    The west is not supporting Iran because there was so much controversy over whether or not the election was stolen. The governments of the west cannot be seen to support the opposition though if the government begins to fall the west should begin talking to leaders so that channels of diplomacy are open. but this would have to wait until the movement gains alot more momentum

  32. 39 t
    December 28, 2009 at 18:58

    While the opposition continues to protest in Iran, consider the parallels to the States:

    In the past 9 years, how many elections were stolen?
    What measures were taken to prevent it from happening again?
    After each one, people protested. How often did the MSM give them coverage?
    How many millions of people in the States had to turn to overseas news sources to find out the facts about elections in their own country (that the MSM wouldn’t tell them)?

    All of the above actually happened. Yet, when was the last time you heard anyone talk about any of these? Before you instantly criticize Iran, look at other countries first.

  33. 40 Roy, Boca de Uchire, Venezuela
    December 28, 2009 at 19:10

    the corporate media at the behest of the US State Department have condemned an overall fair democratic process in Iran. Bottom line is demonize, discredit and fund disquiet, the US playbook responsible for numerous coups, murders and overthrowal of democracies in Latin America, now it Irans turn !

  34. December 28, 2009 at 19:13

    government in iran does not respect human rights. which western govt will support that?

  35. 42 t
    December 28, 2009 at 19:28

    What about the lack of a “free press” in the States? Do you see protestors against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on TV every single day? No.

  36. 43 Meredith / USA
    December 28, 2009 at 19:36

    It’s very difficult to support a government, slaughtering its own people for protesting in the street. We protested the election of GWB(and wars) here in the states, yet you didn’t see our Law enforcement plowing people down. Are we really supposed to forget the images of dead and hurt Iranians? Shall we forget the family members of Iranians abroad who are being targeted because of their family members Facebook pages? What about the Iranians who are forced to log into their Facebook pages , upon arrival, and having their Passports taken if disparaging remarks are found.

  37. 44 CJ McAuley
    December 28, 2009 at 19:38

    There is simply nothing that we in the “West” would comprehend as a “democracy” within either Iran and what we call the “Middle East”, northern Africa and many areas of Asia; save for Israel. Not to say that we are all that much better at the concept of democracy here in the “West”(2000 USA Bush “election”). I have little doubt that if a rogue comet hit the Earth it would be viewed as a Western plot! While it is good and important to hear these various views, I often wonder if we are not talking the human race towards extinction!

  38. 45 Richard King
    December 28, 2009 at 19:45

    I think there is a kind of inevitability about the Iranian process just as there was with the fall of communism. Whether it takes 5 or 20 years it is inexorable. 90%+ literacy rates with a high young population is a mixture for change. People don’t say what they really think, but it is there. People might genuinely believe that they still want an Islamic republic (just as in the Prague spring or Soviet Union 1989 reformers genuinely believed in the system) but once change begins to accelerate (whenever it happens, but it will) everything will unravel with ever more requirements for reform being made. Sometimes the superstructure is so busy maintaining itself that it doesn’t see the changes going on within people’s minds. What do the mass of young people in Iran REALLY believe? Although they might not say it, I don’t think it’s that different from young people in East Germany, Russia and Chile.

  39. 46 Daniel sunga
    December 28, 2009 at 19:53

    The issue about iranian elections is interesting.does the west truly want democracy in iran or maybe just regime change? george bush’s adminstration really “championed reforms in the middle east”.when the palestinians held elections,hamas won.the whole west world does’nt accept or recognize the results.imagine today if egypt held free and fair election,mubarak would surely lose to the islamic brotherhood.saudi arabia,the u.a.e,tunisia,yemen to mention but a few.are these democracies?

  40. 47 John LaGrua/New York
    December 28, 2009 at 20:29

    With it’s abysmal record in te Mid East the West ,particularly the US, should but out.! Iranains are not adolescents and will sort out the political turmoil as they see fit.Like Sissiphus efforts by the US to influence events would be futile and counterproductive.

  41. 48 ARTHUR NJUGUNA
    December 28, 2009 at 20:30

    The so called western inteference is now in a trap. It is the question of the Shia on the wrong side whichever the way they try to balance the equation. At one place the Sunis are being replaced with Shia regimes, Iraq, Afghanistan etc by the west and labled democracies; none of which can be called a successful models. Iran is Shia led and has been named undemocratic through incessant heckling from the west. Why is this so? Probably the Shias are easily divisible, naive and corruptible. This may lead to the arrogance of the Shia to the miguided delight of the Sunis who are no different.
    When has this ever changed? All I can see now is a new trend that probably will only change the musical chairs in the days that lie ahead and nothing more. Democracy is not yet a universal concept but peace and stability are.

  42. December 28, 2009 at 20:47

    To my point of view Iran should be gven time to solve and sought out with the rebels fairly. The west and the rest of the should influence young patriot students,women and children for organising unnecessary which wil worsen the progres of the blessing country,”IRAN”.

  43. 50 fred
    December 28, 2009 at 21:01

    Iranians: Americans are with you in your struggle, regardless of our president’s unwillingness to risk offending the little dictator in the Member’s Only jacket. As soon as the theo-fascist regime is overthrown, however, Mr. Obama will take credit for it.

  44. December 28, 2009 at 21:29

    I have been observing from the election results from Iran,some sorts of protests are happening on many times.
    Iran is a Muslim country with many Muslim countries.
    One thing, I can not understand that, both Christ and Islamic propagator of this two world widely living ideals came from almost from middle east countries.
    Why are they have so much different views on governance of governments,style of living,worship patterns and always one way or other conflicts between these two religious belief.
    Once Iranians were elected with voting-might be some undemocratic means,then, what western nations wants to do or in what way they are affected.
    We all knew about past,present tensions in middle east nations.
    Present Iranian President is very popular and very crowd puller, he did lot of good things and have a very cordial relations with Russia, India and with other developing nations.
    These recent violent incidents are not to be accepted any free views minded persons and from any already developed western powers.
    If America and UK will not give much publicity, more attention to their internal affairs,then, a day will come and Iranians well wishers will think more good to her economy,social status,political freedom,freedom of the press,easy exchange of their views with rest of the world at future hours,days,months and at future years.
    Then, there will be a new awakening and this world knows what best can be derived,shared from Iran.
    America,England and other western countries had already understood what is happening, what will be the further solutions with co-operation with world bodies for restoration of democracy ,good will and for other good acts for Iranians, Iraqis ,Afghans and to Syria,Uganda, and to Jordon,
    Better to keep at bay of all these issues for few more months, then all dusts will be withered away.

  45. 52 jb
    December 28, 2009 at 22:28

    The BBC have a cheek talking about a corrupt regime that doesn´t allow an open society.
    The way in which they distribute and manipulate news, especially since the Hutton Report is disgraceful.

    As for violent protests,..Why don´t ones closer to home get more attention ?
    Anything that happens is Iran automatically goes to the top of the BBC news, I wonder why ?

  46. December 28, 2009 at 22:41

    One old formular will not always work, the protest in iran today will only lead to to two obvious things, either the oposition becomes stronger , or the wounds are healed and the regime of Mr Mahmoud Ahmedinejad becomes stronger, so the protesting opposition should be careful about what Democracy they want, a one born out out rebellion or constructive engagement. But what i have learned over the past, and from my country Liberia history is that if a system is destroyed it takes longer to rebuild .

    what is happening in Iran today will have a lasting geopolitical impact on the whole world, so least we be careful out there. Is this our World?

  47. 54 GTR5
    December 28, 2009 at 22:45

    We should stay well out of it and let them solve their own problems.

  48. 55 Tom K in Mpls
    December 28, 2009 at 23:29

    The world should stay out of it. The main reason is the simple adage, ‘turnabout is fair play’. Also, Iran has a president with no power and a ‘Supreme Leader’ that will not associate with the world. So it is a waste of time to pursue diplomatic contact. And then, if the current government is actually that wrong, they will not last long.

    I will not judge which side is right, because most of the world attention is clearly biased against Iran. It is biased to the point that I don’t trust it. Even if it is right, as I suspect. It is all up to the people. So far, it seems only a minority want change.

  49. 56 Pete Hodge
    December 29, 2009 at 01:11

    Easy, because it isn’t democratic. It has falsified the election result. Refused to enter into meaningful discussions with the opposition and treats any opposition as treason.
    It is obvious that the present regime must go. There can never be any sense of true democracy under any form of Islamic rule. But then, let’s face it, we don’t have democracy in Britain, so maybe we should ask ourselves why we are concerning ourselves about one police state when we are rapidly becoming one ourselves.

  50. 57 claudine
    December 29, 2009 at 01:44

    The world doesnt support the government in Iran because they cheated their way through to stay in power. Its that simple.

    Besides the Islamic revolution happened at a time when the Shah was perceived as the people’s worst enemy and everyone has put their hopes into a better future with Islam…..
    Until everything turned “hardline”. Now the old/new government cum hardline supporters have become the new public enemy number one.

  51. December 29, 2009 at 02:10

    Mr. Mark Longton writes in his comment that every Iranian he knows in the UK wishes the current Iranian government would disappear. Even if this general observation were true, the Iranians in the UK are only a small fraction of Iran’s population and hence can not be used as a logical reason. Secondly they are not the ones who would want to live in Iran a life time. Thirdly, Mr. Longton’s statement by implications proves that the ” change of regime” overwhelmingly is aspired by those living in the developed capitalist countries that have opposed Iran’s nuclear, trade and foreign policies in general. My advice to the US and British statesmen is to abstain from any interference in the internal affairs of Iran, and the Iranians living abroad should let the people of Iran decide and solve their own differences. There is a large class of educated Iranians inside the country who are capable of solving the problems that Iran is facing.
    By my observation, the opposition in Iran comes from the well-to-do segment of the population and is against pro-working class policies of President Ahmadinejad. This class identifies itself mainly with interests of power-holders in Washington, London, Tel Avive and Paris. This segment lives mainly in northern Tehran in which a two-bedroom apartment cost close to $900,000 , a price much higher than identical apartments in Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx and even Manhattan of New York city. That is why they wish their brother in Pentagon to come to their rescue.

    • 59 Mark Longton
      December 30, 2009 at 01:43

      Ardeshir Ommani,
      True, my comment above referred exclusively to Iranians I know, and all the Iranians I know happen to live in the UK. You make the point that none of these UK based Iranians would ever want to live in Iran. But this is an assumption you make in order to furnish what you want to believe. In fact I know that some of my Iranian friends want to live in Iran, even under its current leadership. This is because they love Iran.
      I’m hard-pressed to understand how my comment has implicated that “change in regime is overwhelmingly aspired to by those living in developed capitalist countries” when there are clearly hundreds of thousands of Iranians living inside Iran who are willing to risk imprisonment and even death in order to communicate the fact that they wish a change in the political power structure in Iran. The warning yesterday by Iran’s foreign minister that the UK will “get slapped in the mouth” if it does not “stop the nonsense” illustrates how the Iranian government is desperately trying to lure Western countries into an emotive dialogue so that Ahmadi-Nejad can point to evidence that Western governments are at the heart of demonstrations in Iran, when in fact it is plain to see that Iranian people inside and outside Iran are at the heart of it and the Iranian government are now behaving like the scared dictators that they are. I only wish they would recognise that their interpretation of “politics” is an abomination on all righteous conceptualisations of God’s “Will” that exist.

  52. 60 Mohammad Reza
    December 29, 2009 at 04:14

    The West almost hurried into recognizing Ahmadinejad’s government and since then they have wasted a number of opportunities where it could have shown support for the Iranian opposition. Instead they push and object on futile and not so constructive points such as the Atomic Energy project or threatenening with yet more potent sanctions.

    To most Iranian it is somewhat clear that the West and in particular Obama, has already made a deal with Ahmadinejad and Khamanie. What is happening in Iran is collateral damage as far as the west in concerned. They are sitting on the fence just in case the opposition succeeds.

    What the West continues to underestimate is the political education of the Iranian populous which is far greater today that it has ever been in history. And in my experience far greater than most western countries I have been to.

    Long live the revolution.

  53. 61 t
    December 29, 2009 at 05:35

    First, good for you for having your Press TV guest on. Any chance he could be on again in the future?

    Second, read between the lines when Obama talks about “democracy” in the world. What he’s REALLY saying is “democracy” that helps to preserve the State’s power worldwide. Why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Only to fight the “terrorists”? No. Profit. If you do some research you’ll find out that many U.S. firms are positioning themselves to develop these areas first (for oil and other reasons).

    The MSM moves more people from Iraq to Afghanistan because that’s “the story.” Apparently not by the way they’re not doing their job.

  54. 62 Venn Tzu
    December 29, 2009 at 05:58

    The time is ripe for the nation to change leadership.

    Whatever outcome remains to be seen — for the better or worse.

  55. 63 Boon Tee
    December 29, 2009 at 05:59

    Could a government be “democratically” elected when the election was said to be badly rigged?

    Why would the world support an incumbent regime under the control of a seemingly obstinate leader?

    Let the protest take its course, outsiders ought not intervene.

  56. 64 Insan Mukmin
    December 29, 2009 at 07:25

    President Obama and David Miliband have both expressed support for the pro-democracy demonstrators in Iran. Have these two leaders conveniently forgotten about Afghanistan? Where is the democratically elected government of Afghanistan? President Karzai of Afghanistan has even less legitimacy than President Ahmadinejad of Iran. Both these leaders (Obama and Milliband) had the opportunity to establish democracy in Afghanistan. The people of Afghanistan wanted democracy and were willing to put their lives on their line. Both these leaders (Obama and Milliband) failed the Afghan people. They should hang their heads in shame instead of inciting the rioters and violent demonstrators in Iran.

  57. December 29, 2009 at 07:55

    This is the only subject that I find difficult to really comment, because the images I can see from Iran scare me. The things I have kept asking are, Where did come from and where are we going with the number of issues commencing from terror to freedom fighting? What is happening to our civilization? Are we not member of the same human family? I surely believe we do and as such we have got to think and stop the competition like this among our selves. Let us talk our difference and live by side instead.

  58. 66 Joseph
    December 29, 2009 at 08:20

    Because Iranian government is not an obedient puppet government the West would wish for. They tried for a long time to have Iran under control with one big success and that was overthrowing democratic government and installing Shah, a dictator that did what US and UK did want so it was not a problem he was torturing his opponents on huge scale, democracy was non existent at all. He was a friend of ours because he did what he was supposed to. This is western hypocrisy and everyone critisizing situation now should have a look at this first. Would like to see if there would be big violent communist protests in UK supported by China for example how UK would react. That would be something similar to whats going on in Iran now.

  59. 67 darren shepperd
    December 29, 2009 at 08:56

    Once again we see the hypocrisy of the British and American goverments who say they want democracy but they dont they want far more than that as we see time after time its not about democracy its about getting the right democracy eg their people into power not what the people of the country want.
    Just look at the mess the west have made of so called free election in Afganistan.
    Its time American with us as its lap dog stopped messing in politics in countries where their idea of goverments clearly do not work

  60. December 29, 2009 at 09:26

    anytime a country’s government gets to rule its’ people based upon an interpretation of religion or spiritual beliefs, the people will suffer a lack of freedom. my prayer is that relationship one’s God remain private and out of any governments’ jurisdiction. my heart is with the Iranian people who so marginalized right now.

  61. December 29, 2009 at 09:41

    I keep watching with amazement at the arrogance of most the western leaders and some of my fellow bloggers.to hear obama encouraging those so called “pro-democracy demonstrators” is truly typical of the west.firstly imagine what would happen if an ally of the U.S say egypt,people protest over their election results.we all know what would happen to the demonstrators and the west would pay lip service.they would’nt even try those security council sanctions.its a well known fact Iran sits on one of the largest reserves of natural gas.the U.S and co can’t wait to lay their hands on.look at Iraq now,they supported the insurrection of the Kurds against Saddam’s regime.it was’nt that they were supporting democracy,far from it! kirkuk’s massive oil reserves was an open secret.Turkey’s suppresion of kurds is well known even now,but we don’t hear of western leaders protestations.its all about oil and then maybe throw in regime change.look at Israel’s occupation and treatment of palestinians.maybe if the occupied territories had oil then we would have a different story

  62. 70 Ibrahim in UK
    December 29, 2009 at 12:35

    Part 1
    Iran already had a democracy. It was the West (UK and US) in operation Ajax who toppled that democracy and installed a brutal pro-West dictator to give away Iran’s oil to Western oil companies.
    Western governments don’t care for democracy, they only want pro-Western leaders, whether democratic or not, to comply with their demands and open access to their resources. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are equally, if not more, repressive than Iran, but they are ruled by obedient pro-Western dictators/kings/shekhs etc. There are no calls for democracy. Egypt has been ruled by a pro-US dictator for decades, instead of calling for democracy, the Egyptian dictator (along with the pro-US King of Jordan) receives billions of US tax dollars in aid plus weapons and torture/interrogation equipment.
    The West pushes it’s own business interests abroad regardless of the death and destruction it meets out on the way. Sometimes it can use the word “democracy” as a tool to further it’s interests, but mostly it uses weapons, threats and bribery to further it’s interests.

  63. 71 Henry Nyakoojo, Kampala
    December 29, 2009 at 14:06

    What does the so called west have to do with Iran or any other country? Oh I forgot – OIL.

  64. 72 Peter Jeyaprakash
    December 29, 2009 at 14:27

    The International Community has a big responsibility. On the contrary, when we say ‘international community’ many construe that to mean the West or the American government. That’s were the problem starts. It has always been a north south divide. The funny thing is we contruct these boundaries in our mind and act accordingly. The International Community should intervene dilomatically and put pressure on the local government and end the injustice suffered by the poor innocent people in such politically motivated social unrests. The International Community turned a blind eye to the communa riots (Hindu Muslim conflict) in Gujarat, India when many innocent people suffered torture and lost lives. It should not wait anylonger in this case. When the intellectuals of that particular nation act according to the activities of the influencial people and fear to raise their voice then the International Community should intervene to save the rights of people. In some instances the International community should not wait for them as many intellectuals have sold their soul to the devil. So it is not a question of ‘why’ but ‘how’ and ‘when’.
    Thak You
    M. Peter Jeyaprakash
    India.

  65. 73 Ahmad Hammad
    December 29, 2009 at 15:14

    Iran’s government has always been a matter of prejudice in the eyes of the western counties. The west doesn’t practise what she claims for.
    This is a display of Double-standardness of the West.

  66. 74 JanB
    December 29, 2009 at 17:52

    Iran does not have a democratically elected government. It does have elections, but elections alone don’t make a democracy, that’s something a lot of people often forget.

    What the west can do is give political support to the opposition, let them know they are being heard. Do not legitimize Iran’s regime, no matter how much oil Ahmadijenad offers.

  67. 75 John LaGrua/New York
    December 29, 2009 at 19:33

    There is no guaranty that a new democratically elected government be more pro West.and inteference by the US would almost certainly be fiercely resented.Pax Americana is long past but deluded or calculating meddlers who have aprivate agenda which may not be in the interest of the US continue to push toward confrontation.The recent terrorist attack in Detroit should be a warning that we cannot continue to pook the Muslim world in the eye with a sharp stick with impunity.The West needs some fresh thinking away from Washington and London to concieve a new approach for the Mid East .Iran is significant player in the region and and a delicate touch ,an iron fist in a velvet glove, could accomplish more than the senseless bleating of Obama and Brown.Imagination and creative thinking free of the forces that are currently shaping policy toward Iran and the region. might produce more light and less thunder.

  68. 76 TJ in US
    December 29, 2009 at 19:36

    We revolve around perception – How we react to a situation is based on how we percieve a situation.

    People are very quick to blame others… very quick. Yet the youth of Iran has been exposed to the world outside, they know what freedoms a majority of the world experience… and they want the same freedom. It isn’t the West pushing this revolution, it’s the Iranians. I believe Iran is playing their “blame it on the dog” card too much.

    Let them revolt. But everyone else needs to stay out. Did the US have any external help during our Civil War? No. If we did, then things could have had a completely different outcome.

  69. December 30, 2009 at 01:33

    “Democratically elected??!!” You’re kidding, right? Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Yes, Iran is looking more and more like a ship plying increasingly dangerous waters. But here’s the US, some distance away in a little dinghy, out of gas and no oars either, as we spent those resources (unnecessarily) in Iraq and (now necessary) in Afghanistan — with Pakistan and Yemen writing very scary messages all over the bathroom walls. I have said for 9 years now, said it 10,000 times, that George W. Bush will go down in history as the tiny man who catalyzed the end of the world as we knew it. Every single one of my predictions has come true with surgical precision, and I have no reason to doubt this one will too.

  70. 78 Victor Mills
    December 30, 2009 at 12:43

    To answer your question, the World is supporting fully the democratically elected government of Iran. However, it is only America and its Allies that are not supporting them. As a result they are formenting trouble for the Iranian government by covertly musterminding these series of so called “pro-democracy protests” Now what democracy is in these violent protests where sponsored group of people go unto the streets to burn cars and destroy offices. I think the West and America should re-think the kind of seeds they are sowing in Iran. BBC can’t you see that by the kind of destructive pictures of protesters you show us warrant equal reaction by the Iranian government? We should be honest and sincere to ourselves and backout from Iranian politics.

  71. 79 scmehta
    December 30, 2009 at 13:25

    Because, holding and electing of the government in Iran, was an enactment under the pretense of being democratic.

  72. 80 helen
    December 30, 2009 at 19:17

    When dealing with attention seeking personalities the best thing to do is ignore them completely. What is happening in Iran is tragic but only the people of Iran can sort it out . As with all violent conflicts, at sme point people will have to talk to each other and find common ground. Wouldn’t it be a wonderful way to start a New Year if all governments could be pledged to sort out their own deficiencies fiist.? This would no doubt take so long that no government would be in office long enough to interfere in another country’s problems

  73. 81 steve
    December 31, 2009 at 14:31

    “Did the US have any external help during our Civil War? No. If we did, then things could have had a completely different outcome.”

    The British supported the southern secessionists during the US Civil war.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_in_the_American_Civil_War

    The US came close to declaring war on Britain in 1861, and the British backed off a bit.

  74. 82 ALI RAZA (PU)
    December 31, 2009 at 19:23

    actually it’s a group of some countries that isn’t supporting the Democratic Irani government. These countries actually oppose Irani nuclear program… they think that Iran’s strong government and her nuclear program will be dangerous for their supermacy in the world… they actually don’t want to see Iran stronger…
    if Iran gets stronger, it will be dangerous for Israel .. which not acceptable for the west and specially for US…
    recent anti-govt protests in Iran are part of international game…

  75. 83 Fran in New York
    January 1, 2010 at 00:49

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

    Declaration of Independence 1776

  76. January 1, 2010 at 13:55

    the democratic government in iran is not acceptable and not supported bcz we know democracy is actually power wch makes a country stronger….democratic government is actually the government of people so if people will be united the country will be prosperous….actually democratic government opposes fashism and dectatership which exploit a country….the democratic government will make the iran more stronger as they will be able to proceed their nuclear program without any outside pressure n that thing is unbearable for some countries like america and some europian country as they want to occupy iran like afganistan and iran that,s y

    DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT IN IRAN IS NOT SUPPORTED

  77. 85 ALI RAZA (PU)
    January 1, 2010 at 14:33

    west has no right to make objection on harsh language ov Iran…. it’s actually the reaction ov that what west is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and what has been done in “guantanamo jail” ….
    and this is propoganda ov western media that people of Iran want to change the govt and Iran’s nuclear program is dangerous for the world, so and so… there is no reality in it.. it’s just a media war and wrong use ov media…
    it’s just like that when western media was portraying that Iraq has dangerous weapons that can destroy vast areas… but the whole world witnessed that after capturing Iraq, west didn’t find such a single weapon… NOW the propoganda is against Iran … and west is just trying de-rail the system ov Iran so that they can easily occupy their nuclear as well as petroleum assets…..

    • 86 V in LA
      January 13, 2010 at 01:51

      as an american i’m the first to admit that much of the “trouble” we’re in right now stems from 50 plus years of really poor foreign policy on our part. The pinnacle of that being our engagement with iraq. Much of this came from fear during the cold war not from “the Evil Empire’s” expression of greed however. the anti american’s give us more credit than we deserve. we’re a young republic and sometimes act with less for sight.

      But lets shoot straight for a minute – the current gov’t in iran:

      A. oppressive to those who wish to live in a free state, no free speech, no free expression, a closed, state run media… there’s no real democracy when the media is controlled by the ruling party. as we all know, information is power.

      B. it’s legitimacy is in question since the last heavily disputed election.

      C. if Iran’s nuclear program is being developed for purely peaceful reasons then why the simultaneous development of advanced rocket systems?

      besides if the opposition is fighting for a more open, free society in which the laws are made by and for the people then how can that be a bad thing?

      unless real freedom scares you.
      .

  78. January 3, 2010 at 12:48

    For the same reason it supported the democratically-elected presidency of George Bush Jnr in 2000.


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