06
Nov
09

A terrible bloody week for NATO forces

fort hoodThe shooting carried out by the US Army major Nidal Malik Hasan in Texas is the latest shocking chapter in what has been a grim week for the armed forces in the U.S and in Britain.

12 were killed, and another 30 injured.

5 soldiersThis incident comes just two days after 5 British soldiers were attacked by a policeman they were training in Afghanistan.

In the last few minutes, British PM Gordon Brown has re stated his commitment that Britain won’t walk away from Afghanistan.

A year ago WHYS went to Fort Hood . You had the chance to ask question to barber soldierthe servicemen and women at the base. We’ll try to do that again.

We are trying to organise a simulcast with our colleagues at BBC Radio Wiltshire and KUT in Texas to link up all our audiences in areas where soldiers are based.

What are your thoughts after yet another bloody week.


26 Responses to “A terrible bloody week for NATO forces”


  1. November 6, 2009 at 12:25

    Salaam,
    As a human being, every sensless human loss makes me feel sad and upset, so let me here send my most sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of the victims… While as an Iraqi citizen I say : Those are the kind of people that we had to put with their occupation of our country for the past six years, they do have some pretty serious issues, and the US higher military authorities must deal seriously and instantly with those issues before sending them overseas inorder to invade and occupy other people’s lands… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

  2. 2 Nigel
    November 6, 2009 at 12:34

    The news from the battlefield is easier to digest as bad as it is since we are getting a lot of it these days, but the Fort Hood incident is going to turn out to be a major problem for the US army if not managed properly. Should Muslim soldiers who do not want to go overseas and take part in the killing of other muslims be granted ‘contscientious objector” status and not forced to go to war? Of course this raises the question about loyalty to belief over loyalty to country. Even more serious is going to be the reaction of the red neck soldiers to Muslim soldiers or even dark skinned soldiers of uncertain belief who will be immediately seen as potential “Hasans”. Bad stuff all around and a pivotal time for US forces morale.

  3. November 6, 2009 at 13:20

    Salaam Nigel,
    To me the Fort Head shooter is actually no different from those American occupation soldiers who were involved in the Haditha incident or in the incident of raping the Iraqi girl and killing her and her family afterwards… Those are seriously troubled people who have some pretty serious issues that must be dealt with instantly before sending them overseas… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

    • 4 Nigel
      November 6, 2009 at 13:59

      Salaam Lubna,

      I was looking at it stricly from an American perspective where the legitimate comparisons you make may not be considered and it is a horrible blow to them. I cry for every person who dies in this war and are amazed at the courage of those whose lives continue with such carnage swirling around them all the time. I do value all life equally. Insha’ Allah it will all be resolved and peace will return some day.

      Asalaamu alaikum, Nigel.

  4. 5 Crispo, Uganda
    November 6, 2009 at 13:27

    To me this latest incident unfolds a new chapter in the US history. Of course it was a matter of time, before a conflict of interest arose. How did people expect these ‘Hassans’ to react to the news that they were after all going to be sent to kill a moslem brother?

    As much as would like to speak for them, i can’t. What i would say is, that somehow, the incensant behaviours of the US armed forces in Iraq (the abuse saga of Abu Graib), could, although to a lesser extent be explained by behaviors such as this latest incident-people sent to fight against their will. Bottom line though is, this incident will set a bad precedent to others of the same sentiments and type.

    Like Lubna says, they had to put up with these unscrupulous officers so will the other armed personnel. May be, then will the US understand the true impact of the situation. Too bad Lubna, i may not understand your pain, but i know it must pain terribly. I think the US has got its hands full.

  5. November 6, 2009 at 13:38

    Salaam Crispo, and thanks a million for your kindness and sympathy my good friend… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

  6. 7 patti in cape coral
    November 6, 2009 at 13:54

    This was horrible news to wake up to this morning. My condolences go out to all the families of the victims. My first thought was that this is going to be one more incident on top of everything else to whip up more racial animosity.

  7. 8 Tino
    November 6, 2009 at 13:59

    My thoughts are that it is no surprise to see another Muslim decide he needs to kill some innocent Americans in their idea of loyalty to the Ummah.

    As for this:

    “To me the Fort Head shooter is actually no different from those American occupation soldiers who were involved in the Haditha incident or in the incident of raping the Iraqi girl and killing her and her family afterwards… Those are seriously troubled people who have some pretty serious issues that must be dealt with instantly before sending them overseas… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…”

    No different?! Ha. At least we clean house. Those soldiers are not hailed as heroes by the rest of the military or our population. The same can NOT be said for Muslims – ever. Instead of being disgusted by transgressions within the community, Muslims are ‘preparing for a backlash’ and pushing the same PC crap they always do. How about instead of quietly supporting terrorists, these mythical moderate Muslims could maybe start preventing them from carrying out attacks by working with law enforcement.

  8. 9 Eva in Berlin
    November 6, 2009 at 14:03

    On the ground of very few information on possible motives of the shooting, everything that is said now is highly speculative. But I ask myself some questions, e.g. what does a town, inhabited by more than 50,000 troops, feel like. Can it be sane to keep these people apart from civilian life? The obvious “porpose” of Fort Hood is to send soldiers to war or receive those who returned from war.
    There is no secret about the traumatizing experiences that people in war undergo – be it the civilian victim or the soldier of an occupying army.

    Major Nidal Malik Hasan is US-citizen, soldier (I guess) and psychiatrist who has heard all the stories of the returning soldiers. I wonder what his task in Afghanistan was intended to be?

    To me it seems to simple an explanation, that he didn’t want to kill his Muslim brothers. Any person, even more, as Hasan also seems to have been bashed for his faith, in that situation would find him/herself within huge inner tensions, which might have led to this kind of Amok. Maybe the US army has to start to take the consequences of waging wars abroad on their soldiers more seriously, as e.g. there is an investigation going on in Israel about inhumane effects on the personalities of soldiers of an occupying army.

    regards, Eva

    • 10 Tom K in Mpls
      November 6, 2009 at 16:09

      There is something I would like to point out. Most people judge ‘other groups’ according to the worst of the group. Many hear of the actions of Islamists and think most followers of Islam are bad. Well, in the military you have some bad people and sometimes good people have a bad day. People in military towns see this and in general do not like the people stationed near them. Because of this, there is a separation that you must see clearly in a town like Berlin.

      Most in the military try to be friendly and respectful. Keep this in mind.

  9. November 6, 2009 at 14:19

    I will not be able to join the show later…
    But help me ask the American soldiers: “How safe are you guys to hang out with generally? How do I know which one of them has snapped like Major Hassan?”
    Haven said that I must say I am shocked by what has happened… I pray for the family of those who died and for those in the hospital – the irony of life is that sometimes does we trust the most are the most dangerous as against those we call ‘enemies’!

  10. November 6, 2009 at 14:27

    Hasan was struggling with his identity as an American soldier and with being a life long, devout Muslim. Recent internet postings uncovered show that he likened suicide bombers to American soldiers who throw themselves over a grenade to save their comrades. There were a plethora of signs that he was a dangerous person, a disturbed person, and the fault lies with the military personnel who were well aware of these facts. He was not a disturbed person because he was Muslim, he was a very disturbed person who happened to be Muslim and I fear the backlash that is surely going to occur with good and decent American Muslims. America’s desperate need for soldiers meant that they relaxed their previously tough standards, even allowing people with violent criminal felony records to enlist, and the brutality that they have visited upon INNOCENT victims in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot and should not be excused as a side effect of war. I believe that most of the soldiers are good people but that cannot excuse the evils of others. Just because you’re wearing a uniform does NOT make you an automatic hero!

  11. November 6, 2009 at 15:09

    Salaam Mike, and thank you very much for your comments and thoughts… And just for clarification, I as a practicing Muslim do condemn and resent with passion the Fort Head incident, and to our dear friend who said that the US occupation soldiers in my Iraq “are cleaning the house” I say : Thanks a million for the laugh buddy, I did really need it !😉;). With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

    • November 6, 2009 at 15:37

      Shokran Lubna! The majority of the world condemns these acts of atrocities. Americans, however, do not seem to understand that those who live in these hotbeds of violence face reprisals from the extremists for even voicing decent or outrage at extremist violence. They aren’t really made aware of how much danger one will almost certainly put their entire family in if they publicly denounce such actions, and those here in the states have to face anger from both sides. My family are of Domari Egyptian descent, so even though we are not Muslim, we are perceived as such and I am constantly hearing comments of how I should apologize for my “brother’s” actions (the extremists). I express the same outrage at all violence, but at least I can be fairly sure that my family won’t be killed for it, because we are in the states, not “over there”.
      Malaikum Salaam!

  12. November 6, 2009 at 15:14

    Thank you Nigel for your thoughtful response, I just want you to know that I do understand the points you’re trying to make… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

  13. 17 patti in cape coral
    November 6, 2009 at 15:23

    Did I say racial animosity? I should have said religious animosity as well.

  14. 18 MOMOH JUBRIL
    November 6, 2009 at 16:17

    my condolence goes to family of does soldier, i think the NATO,US,UK,and the UN need to do some thing about this thank you

  15. November 6, 2009 at 16:22

    Bless you again Mike ! ;)…

  16. 20 Ibrahim in UK
    November 6, 2009 at 17:03

    Every story when told as a story with names and faces and not just a statistic, is a tragedy. Do we shelve this tragedy in the same category as all the other mass-shootings in the US? Do we class it in the same category as the rest of the incidents where US soldiers have murdered their comrades such as Sgt. John M. Russel (or even the fragging incidents dating back to Vietnam)? Or is this a special category because of the perpetrator’s faith?

  17. 21 Alan in Arizona
    November 6, 2009 at 17:30

    It’s a sad statement on the human condition that we have to kill each other as a way of saying we don’t want to kill each other.
    I feel like we are all living a up to date version of the film “Dumb and Dumber”, and the main characters have been and are still running all of our countries. Involved in the wars or not! Please send all the world leaders to The Hague and let them sort out who is good or bad. Save all the important people in the world. Every countries true treasures! Their citizens! Families, students, soldiers, workers and all of us everyday people that are the ones that really make the world run.

  18. November 6, 2009 at 18:02

    A terrible bloody week!Indeed it is.And it will have far reaching repercussions,for instance,can I now trust the man standing next to me,knowing that he is Muslim,guilty or not.I cannot see how the two incidents will be separated from religeon,by lots of people.Both gunmen were members of a recognised public and military service,both of a high rank,both,presumably,took an oath of allegiance and both had given good service;And both are muslims.Coincidence or a furtherance of the war?

  19. 23 Kindi Jallow
    November 7, 2009 at 21:58

    May I send my condolence to all the bereave families and the loved ones, who lost their lives during the unfortunate shooting incident at the militaty base. War is very expensive, has devastating effects on both sides, physically, psychologically ect. Putting the pros and cones of the war, can America put a deadline as to when the war would end? How can America fight an enemy in the shadows? Have you exhusted all other alternatives available instead of war? War is like a bush fire in the hamattan the shorter the better.

  20. 24 Aman Shrestha
    November 8, 2009 at 05:42

    These all event has been showing that humaninty has been going far away from human.We are called human being because we possesses humanity.Killing to each other is not the attitude of human.
    My heartly condolence to all the family of victims.

  21. 25 Jim Newman
    November 8, 2009 at 17:18

    Hello again
    I agree with Lubna. The mentality that provokes crimes internal to the USA is the same that provokes crimes against Iraqis, Afghans or Columbians. This mentality, nurtured by intense brainwashing, is a danger to all of humanity.
    Your eminently zappable
    Jim

  22. 26 scmehta
    November 9, 2009 at 06:50

    My thoughts are always with those who lose their dear and loved ones fighting against the evil of bloody extremism/terrorism, but my thoughts also compel me to visualize, that, what the civilized world would be like if we do not give a befitting reply to the evil threats and attacks. We have to be relentless in our actions to emerge victorious in this global crusade for the sake of world peace; It is the most important/urgent of all the global challenges.


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