05
Nov
09

Is being green a religion ?

nicholsonHere’s Tim Nicholson.

He’s won the right to take his employers  to a tribunal on the grounds he was unfairly dismissed because of his views on climate change.

Here’s one angry article condemning the decision.  All yours.


25 Responses to “Is being green a religion ?”


  1. 1 scmehta
    November 5, 2009 at 14:00

    Tim Nicholson has rightfully decided to take his employers to the tribunal. Freedom of speech, like freedom of thought, is a personal matter of opinion, provided that freedom of expression is not adversely affecting the discipline and norms within the official or employment premises.

  2. 2 Dennis Junior
    November 5, 2009 at 14:11

    Mark:

    I think that being green is a religion in reality and in theory…..

    =Dennis Junior=

  3. 3 patti in cape coral
    November 5, 2009 at 14:11

    I guess “greenism” can be taken to extremes, like a religion…

  4. 4 JanB
    November 5, 2009 at 14:18

    Well, I would have to say more if that trashy tabloid called the Dailymail would give us some details of how and why the guy was sacked, but it doesn’t, so there’s always the possibility he got sacked just because his employer didn’t like his ideas, even though he was a good employee.
    That would make for an unfair dismissal and has nothing to do with religion but more with that employer acting as a thought-police (it would be like sacking someone because he prefers vanilla ice cream while you prefer strawberry ice cream.)

  5. 5 gary
    November 5, 2009 at 14:32

    People have a right to doubt man made climate change, but they do not have the right to waste resources. Almost all religions define extravagant consumption as sinful activity. Of course, these facts do not impact upon the putative redundancy of Mr. Tim Nicholson.
    g

  6. 6 Jennifer
    November 5, 2009 at 15:36

    Well, some people compare religion to cults……….😛 If that’s true then YES!

  7. November 5, 2009 at 15:39

    No.Being green could not possibly be a religeon.It has no deity,either of flesh or of wood or of brass or of stone.Philosophers have been called,nit pickers,but at the end of the day,philosophy is only one persons thoughts,sometimes adopted,sometimes not.Although Greens do use religeous tactics,the tactics of fear.Follow us,or suffer hell fire and damnation,but we can give you salvation if you do as we say.

  8. 8 rob z.
    November 5, 2009 at 15:53

    Well,in the USA,you have to be careful about being to open on your political and religious views.By law you have freedom of speech,but that does not carry over to the work place.
    Especialy in the present state of the economy.You dare not mention you are a union member,or be open about your political affiliation.Being to open can lead to not getting hired,or laid-off.
    If you are openly Muslim,good luck in working for a non-Muslim.
    I’m a union member and have been out of work for almost 10 months,out of a few dozen applications;only one company called.
    The position was filled,that was for a company out of my state.

  9. 9 John in Salem
    November 5, 2009 at 16:53

    Let me see if I’ve got this straight now…

    A religion based on a Bronze Age mythology has more validity than a philosophy based on science.
    A faith-based belief system giving humans a divinely ordained ownership of the planet makes more sense than one that says that our unique sentience as a species here makes us responsible for maintaining the conditions that ensure our own survival.
    Our moral and social codes should be founded on texts that were written at a time when people believed that the entire universe consisted of the eastern Mediteranean region.
    Only the adherents of one of the mythology based systems has the ability and the right to determine what is or is not a valid belief system.
    I’m sure I’ve overlooked something critical but this is probably enough to go on.

    You’ll have to give me another nanosecond or two to figure this out.

  10. 10 Tom K in Mpls
    November 5, 2009 at 16:57

    In the US there are laws that empower religions. In this regard, they do not discriminate. If he filed to create his religion before the issue, legally, he has a very solid argument. If there was no filing or it was done after, he is out of luck. To this cynic, it is a very lame legal manipulation to cover what is likely a proper action.

    It sounds to me as if his coworkers were so fed up with his preaching that he became a disruption. I have seen it happen more than once and it always works to the benefit of the majority. But this story is all fluff, so clearly, my guess could be wrong.

  11. 11 Elias
    November 5, 2009 at 17:11

    No, its just being green.

  12. 12 Ronald Almeida
    November 5, 2009 at 17:19

    Is being green, a religion?

    Yes it is to me and I wish it was to others too. At least we’d all be one on saving the planet we live on, even if all of us don’t have the same opinion on the details. It would be far more logical than most of the superstitious religions of today. After all Mother Nature is by far the best technology we possess.

  13. 13 Ibrahim in UK
    November 5, 2009 at 18:03

    I’m guessing the same as Tom; that people got annoyed with his preaching.

    Is the real question here “What and who determines if something is a religion?”
    How did Scientology become recognised as a religion?

  14. 14 archibald
    November 5, 2009 at 18:35

    Well, if you consider fat, wasteful, dogma spewing christian war mongers as representatives of a loving religion. Then, I will gladly tow the line for the god of green!!! Hallelujah !!!!!!!!

  15. 15 Bert
    November 5, 2009 at 18:42

    Sheesh. An evangelist. Religion is adherence to a belief without proof. Or, most of time, it is accepting the “proof” that certain other people of one’s choosing dream up, with no interest at all in verifying it for oneself.

    Yes, being green can become a religion. In this case, the religious aspect is the blind acceptance that man-made CO2 levels are the cause of climate change.

  16. 16 Tom D Ford
    November 5, 2009 at 19:09

    No.

    Religion is just a belief in an imaginary supernatural being. A belief in non-reality.

    Being Green is a belief in reality.

  17. 17 Tom K in Mpls
    November 5, 2009 at 20:13

    A practical definition of religion is difficult. It could be considered to be any deep belief. In some current cases it is in a divine power, in others, it is a philosophy ( such as Taoism ). It could be argued then that green and capitalism could be religions. But in my view it doesn’t matter where you draw the line as long as government stays out of it.

  18. 18 Bert
    November 5, 2009 at 20:20

    Speaking of religion, WHYS seems to do a lot of internal debating before posting anything from me, that questions the effect of human activity of climate change. As a matter of fact, they have never posted any such inputs from me. I imagine they do likewise for other contributors.

    Isn’t this also an attribute of religions? That they suppress points of view that don’t conform to their dogma?

    Just saying …

    • 19 Tom K in Mpls
      November 6, 2009 at 00:23

      I have had many posts ‘delayed’ and some cut. But none on your topic, and I agree at least partially. The posts I have had cut the most were direct comparisons between Palestine or Iran with Israel. I find them so much alike I don’t care what they do to each other.

  19. 20 Julie P
    November 5, 2009 at 20:54

    The “green” movement is just that, a movement or a cause. Anyone caught up in a cause can take it too far and cross the line into an obsession. The obsession of someone caught up in a movement or a cause can have elements of a person who is fanatical about a religion. The person cannot be reasoned with about their belief system.

  20. 21 archibald
    November 5, 2009 at 22:50

    This question invites limited response that is productive.

  21. November 6, 2009 at 05:24

    Hi, If being Green is equated to Naturalism then Being Green can in a way be a religion to those who believe in it.

    Philip.

  22. 23 James Ian
    November 6, 2009 at 07:48

    I find something extremely vulgar about putting the terms “Green” and “Religion” in the same sentence together. I’ll try to be green but I don’t ever want to be “religious”

  23. 24 Roberto
    November 6, 2009 at 10:54

    re “” A religion based on a Bronze Age mythology has more validity than a philosophy based on science. “”
    —————————————————————————–

    ——— Science is like any tool of mankind, it can be used for good or bad purpose.

    Let us also not forget that science holds the record for “mythology,” treating millions of now discarded theories as facts in the day before succession by the latest new theory that becomes the rage.

    The Green Movement has been overtaken by modern marketing. My mailbox is bombarded with daily junk mail solicitations asking for money. My fav was the envelope with the cute wolf puppy and a caption asking what is the little puppy going to do once his parents are gunned down?

    At any rate, Mr. Nicholson’s case is an employees/employers rights case, not of the “Green Movement.”. I live in a “right to work” state, Texas, meaning that most every non governmental employee works at the discretion of his employer. In otherwords, if an employer sees an employee smoking crack with a 3 headed alien in the lunch room, they can fire you with precious little legal redress.

    Since few of us, if any, know the details of the case, I leave it to the courts without further comment.

  24. 25 Big Al
    November 6, 2009 at 23:16

    No. It is a lie perpetuated by big business and governments.


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