15
Oct
09

Another bloody day in Pakistan

008123088 32 people have been killed in Pakistan today.

In Lahore, militants attacked offices of the FIA, as well as two police training centres.

In the north-western town of Kohat, a suicide bomber rammed his car into a police station. In the past two weeks suicide attacks in Pakistan have killed more than a 100.
On Tuesday we discussed If you had given up on Pakistan, today we want to talk to you and ask you how you feel about the situation there?

What can and should be done? Do you feel the militants are becoming too powerful?


38 Responses to “Another bloody day in Pakistan”


  1. October 15, 2009 at 12:03

    ANOTHER DAY IN PAKISTAN

    I have been writing about the ultimate destiny of Pakistan for the last 12 years and the country has been getting closer to fulfilling its destiny ever since. In a nutshell, Pakistan, like most Muslim countries, will become a true Islamic state with Sharia Laws in place. America and Britain have given democracy in Pakistan the kiss of death. The presence of foreign troops in Pakistan will expedite the process of Islamisation. Arrogant and power-drunk, America fails to accept the truth. No power on earth can reverse the situation there.

    Wisdom is in accepting the truth and trying to co-exist with them, and not try to re-mould them in the image of the West.

    • October 15, 2009 at 14:48

      Emkaye, I have never read any of your writings,perhaps you could enlighten? You most certainly do not know the destiny of Pakistan,destiny is hidden from us! No one is trying to remove Islam from Pakistan. That is the old lie,put about by manic clerics. If you want the kiss of to democracy,have a word with the Taliban. You quite clearly did not listen to WHYS radio broadcast,where you would have heard quite inteligent comments comming from Pakistani Muslims,hopefully facing a new and bright future,without fundamentalism.

      • 3 Jim Newman
        October 16, 2009 at 13:44

        Hello again
        And hello David. A recent poll held in Pakistan the USA was voted as the greatest danger to peace in that country according to Aljazeera. Whatever your attitude is to ‘democracy’ there are countries who are not ready for it and do not want it rammed down their throats. Voting is not democracy. Voting is just voting. We should get out of the habit of assuming that people who think differently and act differently are wrong.
        Jim

  2. October 15, 2009 at 12:11

    Let the Pakistan authorities handle the situation, I don’t think they need any interferance from ignorant outsiders.

  3. 5 Alec Paterson
    October 15, 2009 at 13:34

    A growing number of Pakistani military personnel are becoming jihadis and extremists. Of course Pakistan uses the revolving door policy of freeing or cutting loose terrorists. This happened with Mumbai massacre mastermind Hafeez Mohammed Saeed this week. It now transpires that Dr Usman, aka Mohammed Aqeel, the leader of the fedayeen attack on Pakistan’s military headquarters last weekend, was in police custody last year for his involvement in the Marriott hotel bomb attack but was released by authorities under unclear circumstances. Maybe they were released because the “Pakistani establishment” wasn’t really all that much troubled by what they were doing.
    The ISI, which spawned the Taliban have offered captured Taliban the option of jail or jihad against India. This has been re-enforced by the the Pakistan Taliban Hakimullah Mehsud, who warned India of future attacks and sent a message to Pakistan’s army that if it wanted a halt to attacks, it would have to stop taking orders from the Americans. Pakistan is an artificial and failing state.We need to keep our focus on the A weapons

  4. 6 gary
    October 15, 2009 at 14:01

    It would be very interesting to speak with a “suicide bomber in training.” There are elements of this method of warfare that do not jibe with what I used to think of as ordinary human behavior. I mean, these folks seem to be set-off as casually as one switches on a light and in numbers that speak less of faith and dedication than they do of an extraordinarily effective training program (and not a religious one.). Were I the worrying type, I’d be worried about this.
    g

  5. 7 Dennis Junior
    October 15, 2009 at 14:10

    Hi:

    *Do you feel the militants are becoming too powerful?*

    Yes, I think that the militiants are becoming powerful and problematic for the internal and external security of Pakistan……

    ~Dennis Junior~

  6. 8 Peter in jamaica
    October 15, 2009 at 14:58

    I don’t know about anyone else but i saw this coming the day the Pakistan Government allowed them to have autonomy and independent rule over a portion of their country . What is it that they expected to happen, that they would just stay in their little corner of the world and be happy with that? These people are radicals and they believe that if your not with them your against them so you must die.
    What needs to be done now by the Government will be harsh and so totalitarian in nature that would rival the extremist and could go the wrong way if you don’t have the people behind them on the issue and have the proper procedures in place to return things to normal once things are back under control of the Government.

  7. October 15, 2009 at 15:04

    Pakistan will make its own choice… the question is if it will be the military establishment or the general citizenry who make it. If it is the citizenry, I doubt they will accept Sharia Law (look at those in the Swat Valley). The Pakistani people seem to be held hostage between two (allied?) forces: the Taliband and the military. If the military decides it is in their best interest to confront the Taliband, then the possibilities for civil war are raised… and caught in the middle are hungry citizens. Dictatorship, no matter its colors, sacrifices its people for power.

    • 10 Tom K in Mpls
      October 15, 2009 at 17:53

      Actually the divisions are the legitimate government aka ‘the people’, and the ISI that think the old ways of using third party ( Taliban ) power is useful and effective. It is actually a civil war and nobody will admit to it or that the government used to use the Taliban.

  8. 11 Colin Sundaram
    October 15, 2009 at 15:34

    15. 10. 09

    Dear Ros,

    One harvests what one sows – it is has been proven time and time again and one more time.

  9. 12 Elias
    October 15, 2009 at 15:40

    The time is past overdue to bring to an end this limited war against militants wether they be in Afganistan or any other region. Its little use to pour in troops and military equipment, war is war, it is high time that Pakistan join forces with all forces in the fight against these militants and recognise the need for an all out war regardless of civilian casualties that live amongst the militants and effectively blanket bomb these areas so it does not remain habitable for militants and their relatives or friends to continue their daily lives in their normal ways. The fact that they dont care when they attack and kill innocent people with their bombings, the same should be done to them where ever they are.
    It is high time that Pakistan accept and agree to let in foreign forces to make a combined sweep against these militants with the determination to get rid of them once and for all, just the same way the japanese were forced out of China in World war 2.
    To continue in the present way is for the situation to remain the same indefinitely.

  10. 13 saad, Pakistan
    October 15, 2009 at 15:42

    I n Pakistan all attacks are not carried by militants. Some attacks are carried by Pakistan’s secret agencies too, to keep the situation tense in Pakistan ensuring US and foreign military and economical aids. Many schools have been bombed by Pakistan army in restive Malakand division. Pakistan military and secret agencies have strong have forged strong relationship with militants. For example, Rashid Rauf, the person responsible for transatlantic bombing in London, was deliberately released from jail in Pakistan where he was caught. The nexus between Pakistan military is strong and that is making militants strong enough.

  11. 14 T
    October 15, 2009 at 15:50

    We need to get out of Afghanistan. Staying there is only helping to destabilize Pakistan.

    • 15 Tom K in Mpls
      October 15, 2009 at 17:57

      I hate it, but I think you are wrong. The Taliban are at the core of the problem in Pakistan and they move freely between the two countries as they always have. They will use what they can get, any place they can get it, to do whatever they want. To stop them you need to go where they go.

      • October 15, 2009 at 20:13

        @tom: even with the American forces in Afghanistan, Taliban travel freely through borders and I don’t think anything has become better since the American invasion in 2001.

  12. 17 Anthony
    October 15, 2009 at 16:05

    I feel sorry for the people there. I hope the people rise up against the militants and help the government take control.

    If it’s the other way around and people rise against the government, the world won’t stand for that and we’ll end up wasting more money and lives.

    -Anthony, LA, CA

  13. 19 Kevin PE
    October 15, 2009 at 16:26

    In response to the post by saad, Pakistan – More evidence of what I posted on the Saudi payment blog earlier.

  14. 20 Nigel
    October 15, 2009 at 16:42

    There is a war being fought in Pakistan for Heaven’s sake. There is not going to be unifoms, front lines and conventional military tactics used by the militants. So if the Pakistani government at the urging of the West thinks in conventional terms they have many more black eyes to get. Chasing the militants out of their tribal areas may look good on TV but will not stop the guerilla war in which more civilians than soldiers will die. The Pakistani government has to make a proper peace with the tribal militants despite what the US says.

  15. 21 Kevin PE
    October 15, 2009 at 16:50

    Further to my previous post. If I can figure this out and Saad in Pakistan can figure it out, you can be sure the players have too. So what, we should be asking, is the real deal? Who benefits and how?

  16. 22 Tom K in Mpls
    October 15, 2009 at 16:53

    First, there is a big difference between support and control. Support is a good idea, but hard to do right in this case. Control is very bad. Now the trouble with support here, is that Pakistan is at a very crucial point in deciding it’s future. There are major chasms between what they have done in the past, what they admit to, and what some leaders want for the future.

    In the past, the ISI and the rest of the government used different groups covertly to make life hard for various neighbors as it suited them. All the politicians still lie about this. Then the main government quit, and the ISI still does it. Many in the government want the ISI to stop. One group, the Taliban are working hard to keep this source of income alive.

    Any foreign government that gets involved in this will look bad. Pakistan must decide on its own. Sending money to one group will be viewed just as badly. Until they decide, all we can do is watch and hope the nukes stay secure. If they are put in jeopardy……

  17. 23 saad, Pakistan
    October 15, 2009 at 17:16

    @ ANTHONY. Pakistan is complex country. Here country affairs are controlled by military and civil bureaucracy. The present government of Asif Zarderi is puppet. Military and civil bureaucracy is supporting militancy and terrorism and Taliban.Putting simply, Pakistan and its government machinery are supportive of Taliban- the gang believed to be involved in terrorism activities inside and outside Pakistan.

  18. 24 VictorK
    October 15, 2009 at 18:06

    Whatever can and should be done should be done by the Pakistanis. The US and its allies should learn the lessons of the failed Iraqi and Afghan adventures. The West should insulate itself from the chaos and violence that is now a natural part of daily life in Pakistan. The militants grow in power and confidence. There’s no point in lamenting that. If they are destined to one day rule Pakistan, so be it.

  19. 25 Zain from Salt Lake
    October 15, 2009 at 18:14

    Along w/ lack of training in counter-insurgency warfare– Pakistan’s economy has outstanding issues as well. The growth has stalled, private investment has plummeted, and inflation is on the rise.

    The only valid possibility is to generously fund Pakistan, and hope that they would put it in strategically dismantling and eliminating Taliban and its ilks. Like Afghanistan, Pakistan should also be a nation rebuilding endeavor albeit on a much smaller scale.

  20. 26 steve
    October 15, 2009 at 18:17

    If these types of attacks took place in the west, we would ask why the terrorists were doin the attacks. Why not in this case? Shouldn’t we “understand” why the taliban is doing this?

  21. 27 Randy
    October 15, 2009 at 18:33

    I wish to comment on your fashion industry representative’s statement:

    “I will hire any model that fits into the samples that I receive.”

    If the average women’s size is 12 and you receive samples size 8, you forcing your models to be 1/3 smaller than the average woman. Since you don’t want them to be 1/3 shorter, they have to be thinner.

    Why can’t the samples come in average sizes?

  22. 28 saad, Pakistan
    October 15, 2009 at 19:18

    The nukes threat in Pakistan is just drama created by Pakistan establishment to keep Pakistan’s floundering economy surviving through USA and European aids.Taliban can never reach out to Pakistan nukes if Pakistan army does not want it. All the thing going in restive tribal belt of Pakistan is being staged by Pakistan military to keep economic and military aid flowing into Pakistan.

  23. 29 saad, Pakistan
    October 15, 2009 at 19:22

    @ Steve. Pakistan military sponsored Taliban are doing this to show the world that Pakistan is still restive and troubled place which needs stabilization through military and economical aids.

    • October 17, 2009 at 11:52

      Saad, I have no doubt, you have your finger on the pulse. Your assessment is absolutely right. There is no other way for the current regime to survive.

  24. 31 viola
    October 15, 2009 at 19:54

    The attackers know what they’re doing. A strong police force able to back up a strong judiciary would be their death-knell. The military would then be freed to do what it is supposed to do, protect the nation and its borders against outside military forces such as the Taliban, Al-queda and others.

  25. 32 viola
    October 15, 2009 at 20:09

    Victor, you’ve obviously given it lots of thought. How about telling us how you think the rest of the world can insulate itself? I’ve always thought that people who hate another people for what they are and who have an agenda of their own wouldn’t be interested in limiting their ambitions to their own sphere of interest, which is what you seem to be saying would happen if the West would mind its own business and get out of the Islamic world.

  26. October 15, 2009 at 20:28

    I am currently living in Saudi Arabia but I am originally a Pakistani and I was there a few months ago. One thing that I can assure you is that the entire population is anti-Taliban and I hope one day these insurgens will be crushed and let free to burn in hell.

    I think dictatorship bests suits Pakistan and this demokracy by such a pathetic leader will just destabilize the country. What we need to do is to give the Taliban their area of North and South Waziristan and tell them to live their and do what ever they want to.

    Taliban are fundamentalist forces and bringing foreign troops to settle the situation will worsen the civil war as the taliban are anti-West and anti-non-Muslim.

    The only alternative I see is negociations of the taliban with the military and a bit of help from the foreign powers interms of aid. America’s involvement will diplete its reserves and take Pakistan towards failure.

  27. October 15, 2009 at 20:37

    @saad: it seems like you are helping the military plan out bombing strategies with the taliban. I think the army is making every effort to remove and crush these militants. I no the army might lack quadenation and organization but that can only come with a good leadership and without foreign involvement.

    Look at the wars in which America participated and their outcome. The Korean war from 1951 to 1953 only brought disgrace to the U.S. The Vietnam war in the seventies, the war in Iraq, their intervention in Afghanistan and finally their presence in Pakistan only made matters worse for the civilians. Please don’t think that I am anti-U.S. I love the U.S. and president Obama too but I just think that unnecessary involvement into affairs of other countries doesn’t help much. Aid should be great but a military presence hasn’t proven to be very benificial.

  28. 35 drew
    October 15, 2009 at 23:48

    Globalization includes the prospect that “nation-states”, like Pakistan, will be hammered into wider entities, like a Caliphate.
    However, in doing so, the Taliban could kill the economy, education, civic accountability, personal culture, sports, female participation, to name a few.

  29. 36 Tan Boon Tee
    October 16, 2009 at 03:48

    Under the present circumstances, expect more bloody days. But does the rest of the world really bother?

  30. 37 Khadija
    October 16, 2009 at 07:22

    For all those who propose that blanket bombing in Pakistan: This will only INCREASE terrorists in the area, remember, by killing innocent civilians one is giving these taliban an excuse to conscript more people into their groups under the pretext of the so-called ‘holy war’. They will easily justify their barbaric acts by convincing people that the present government of Pakistan and the USA are against Muslims and their justifications will be backed by the number of innocent civilians that are killed in these operations. so, NO, blanket bombing is NOT an option.
    For those who believe that these talibans are turning Pakistan into an ‘Islamic’ country with shariah laws: I am a student of Islamic Law, and I KNOW that the islamisation these talibans keep trying to enfore is sheer ignorance, hence the opposition against these talibans by the majority of Pakistani population… If you have any doubts, I am sure you are well aware of the reaction that was propelled after the video of a girl being flogged was released… Such heinous acts may have been carried out in other Islamic countries but NEVER in Pakistan, therefore, the general reaction towards that video finally, resulted in the operations in Swat, Bunir, Malakand and Dir…
    Finally, as for what I as a Pakistani think: what happened yesterday is only a prelude of what is coming ahead… These talibans are either desperate or gaining power… either way, their efforts to delay the Waziristan operations are futile… Every time they strike us, we will strike back harder…

  31. 38 saad, Pakistan
    October 16, 2009 at 14:19

    @ Naqi. Your are saying more aid should be given to Pakistan. Are you sure of its proper usage? The military assistances Pakistan is getting isn’t being used againt Taliban rather it is being stocked for India or being used in Baluchistan. Army is killing innocent people but it is not killing the big guns involved in terrorism and sabotage activates. In my earlier posts I have said what about the reliability of Pakistan? No body body is sure who is beneficent pf all these aids, at least poor people of Pakistan ain’t. Inflation is increasing day by day as is poverty. There is no use of this aid. Pakistan military is giving save hand to real Taliban and only killing INNOCENT people. This mess in Pakistan is no because of american intervention. The tribal belt of Pakistan is underdeveloped and neglected zone. Education is almost zero as are opportunities. Definitely deprived people will become violent in one way or the other. America may have fueled the insurgency but it did not start it. We all know Taliban are creation of whom? So it is wrong to think that Pakistan is doing enough to counter Taliban.Pakistan is doing enough to encourage them through various tactics, bombing innocents or even directly providing them money and weapons to destabilize Afghanistan by killing american and Nato soldiers.


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