These three men were caught before they tried to blow up planes in 2006.
The BBC’s been told that more plots are likely- and that Al Quaeda has an “obesession” with commercial airliners.
Here’s how those close to the story reacted, but what about you ? ?
Here’s how you’ve been reacting at the Have Your Say site :
* Some have been praising the security services who foiled the plot – “the police did a superb job of preventing this atrocity- well done! ”
* Some say we should accept an erosion of some freedoms for the greater good : “we should concentrate our efforts on those individuals whose profile is high risk. It may be seen as victimisation or racism, but the sad fact that all of these terrorists from 9/11 onwards all share similar ethnic and demographic data ”
* Some say there’s nothing to worry about : “I don’t believe the terror threat is anywhere near as severe as we are led to believe by our fear mongering government and senationalist press.”
* and some are worried. ; “One atrocity averted but 2000 individuals & at least 30 groups still plotting murder on a mass scale, & those are the ones the security forces know about….. We are sitting ducks.”
What about you ?
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I was glad, that the London (English) Courts did the right thing on the evidence that was presented and, convicted the “airline” plotters 3 years ago….
=Dennis Junior=
I am not sure that I agree that we should accept an erosion of some freedoms for the greater good. Where does it stop?
Governments always try to grow more pervasive and controlling. If we surrender our freedoms for security, my fear is that we will will lose what can never be replaced, not gain any additional security and we will become as oppressed are our enemies.
They will have won!!!
I am glad that the bombers were caught and the solid evidence developed by the enforcement and intellegence agencies brough these maniacs to their end. We need to intercept and stop the muslim message of hate that spawned the violence and we must remain vigilant but not surender our freedoms.
By the way…where are all the “moderate” muslims that should be equally reviled at what these “muslims” did? Why are they not protesting what is being done to their religion? Where are the marches in the streets? Where is the rage? Where is someone, anyone, standing up to congratulate the police and to challenge what is being taught in their mosques?
I was horrified thinking how many times I put my kids on planes, every summer since they were 8. My gut reaction is not to mind airline restrictions on fluids and other such items at all, and hoping they are enough to keep people safe. As far as racial profiling, I’m not sure how I feel about it. As I have said before, my son gets stopped every time, I think because he has a Middle Eastern look to him, but he is obviously autistic, so I think some common sense needs to be used. I think it is like everything else, you get used to it.
Where is the justice for the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who were killed by the explosions of American and British bombs and missiles? Who is bringing those terrorists to justice?
You don’t need to get on a plane to die in explosions in Iraq or Afghanistan. You just need to live there and have a “suspected” Taliban or Al Qaeda member as a neighbor.
Al Qaeda has an “obsession” with commercial airliners? Come on. That’s the same kind of paranoid thinking that got the USA stuck with the joke known as the TSA.
If they’re going to attack us, they’re going to attack us. What we need to do is get rid of all the silly restrictions on things like how much liquid you can take on board, and realize that passengers aren’t going to let another 9/11 happen. Just look at how Richard Reid was handled by his fellow passengers.
Boarding an American/European Airlines is like committing suicide itself because of their vulnerability to extremist groups worldwide whether its on air/land,believe me or not,that`s the fact.Please! Take care guys,.
The threat from criminal and terrorist activity is not going to go away.These kind of people and groups will always exist.
Whether they be exteme right or left,religious;there will always be those who will lash out agianst what they think is an injustice.
Civil liberties will be taken away by fear,not by terrorists.
We give up our freedoms out of fear,then the bad guys win.
Rob in Florida.
I was once told that when a cat is locked in a room and beaten, it can fight as hard as a tiger. I think the Western adavnced countries’s degradation of the muslim world through the creation of the state of Israel and other human rights abuses explains these terrorist plots. When the Afghans were fighting the Soviet Union, CIA preached terrorism, now the medicine man must deal with his own concotion. For the South American heads of states and other world citizens like the ill fated Iranian flight blown up in mid air in the late 1980s by CIA, terrorism was a state solution by a world democracy. Today the same solution is being thrown at the western countries. The western countries most especially the CIA must first denounce the violence used in the Ronald Reagan and other Republican times, if the terrorists are to listen.
Those plane hijacks and planned terrorist attacks are simply repercussions of long years of degrading foreign policy. It is good those terrorists were captured before the act, but we need to address the historical damage in Panama, Iraq, Iran, Palestine, ElSalvador etc if these problems are to be tackled conclusively.
Seriously? So we should all just beat ourselves up and apologise to Islamic terrorists? Wow, you are incredibly naive mate. Have you read the Koran? The Hadiths? Implementing caliphate by force is a clear religious directive.
To those on the far left that blame ourselves for terrorism and want to understand why the terrorists hate us so much, do you also understand that they seem to focus on civilian targets, such as airliners, to target civilians?
i’m happy for the fact, that terrorists are being proven guilty and put away. the fact, that we have elections here soon and that our commitment in afghanistan is growing now, makes me a little concerned, that something might happen in berlin, just before the elections. it would certainly present a inviting target. but i don’t know, how much freedom’s i would like to give up for it. in germany, everyone has the right to physical integrity. that means no torture and very very very strict rules of engagement for the police. a nightmare would be, if someone innocent would get shot by the police, just because of his appearance, like it happened sometime ago in london.
Gotta agree with Dan, there only seems to be outrage from muslims when non muslims kill muslims, but not from the daily suicide bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan, but if the US or allies accidentally kills someone there, then there’s outrage. There was far more outrage about mohammed cartoons than from the massive death tolls from all of the bombings especially at mosques, committed by other muslims.
Giving up “freedoms” means the bad guys win? I’m afraid you have it all wrong. Failing to take common-sense precautions against terrorism means the bad guys win. Does anyone not see that?
Which of the following bad guy “cheers” do you think the terrorists are more like to emit:
a) Woo hoo! They’re searching Muslims at the airports! We took their freedom away! We win! Yay!
or
b) Woo hoo! The stupid West has preserved their freedom! We can march onto airliners with our knives and bombs and have less than a 10% chance of getting stopped! And if we do, we’ll sue for discrimination! We win! Yay!
Many young people these days think “freedom” or “liberty” means freedom and liberty from responsibility. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I find the article “More plane terror plots ‘likely'” extremely sensationalist.
As the BBC has noted in the very same article, al-Qaeda is more marginalised than in the past, hence the likelihood of another plane terror plot by the group, though still present, has indeed decreased. Instead, the BBC ignored that revelation and chose to harp on the fact that the threat still existed, as clearly evident in the headline.
In addition, spokespeople cited seem to agree that terrorists were still plotting – but these general quotes in no way leads to the conclusion that “al-Qaeda is likely to try again to use aircraft to attack the West”, as the BBC chose to highlight in the chapeau.
Reportage of terrorism does indeed have a high chance of being mired in sensationalism; it is the duty of responsible media outlets to ensure this does not happen.
I listened to the story on BBC yesterday and my first thought was, “They foiled the plot without torturing anyone, without water-boarding and sleep deprivation and stress positions!”
Then I followed the story links on the BBC website and read about the break-in to an apartment and planting a tiny camera and microphone, and intercepting emails – however I could find no mention as to whether or not a judge or oversight body reviewed the evidence and signed warrants or otherwise gave approval for planting the “bugs” and intercepting the email. My question is whether M15 has any outside oversight, or whether they have carte blanche to spy on anyone they chose without having an outside entity review their actions. It is the latter scenario that would concern me…otherwise, good job UK!
People need to accept that life has risks and that they have responsibilities. Even counting in terrorist acts, air travel is extremely safe. In the US, we have far to much government control, and it is getting worse. We should never quit looking into new efficient and non-intrusive ways to make all aspects of life better. But we can never afford to rely on the judgment of others to take our freedoms for their definition of security.
Keep in mind that these terrorist groups, like our own governments, want to shape our lives to their standards. Laws and procedures are regularly being enacted to make all aspects of our lives more strictly controlled. We are slowly getting closer to the terrorist ideal and further from the freedom we have worked and died for all the time. The terrorists are clearly winning.
Hi Tom,
You might be interested in researching the restrictions on travelers entering or even transiting the USA. The Police State has already arrived in the USA.
My point, exactly. I have lived the limits coming back from Canada on a fishing trip ( the pic is local 😉 ) We need to start backing off on certain points in a responsible way.
I think the British police did an excellent job of collecting enough evidence for a conviction despite the interference of the Bush administration. Although I’ve never understood just what kind of chemistry they had in mind, the fact that two of them were taped making martyrdom videos tells me they were serious.
And I don’t mind the restrictions too much – flying is still one of the safest ways to travel – but at this rate we’re going to wind up having to fly in the nude (put me next to the model with the belly roll!).
@ John – LOL, please put me as far away from the belly roll woman as possible, I think she will make most of us look bad!
What does the Bush Administration have to do with this case? What do they have to do with preventing the gathering of evidence? They are usually the ones that go TOO far in gathering evidence (torture, wiretapping). I disliked the Bush Administration, I was just wondering.
Keith, here is the link to the background article on the BBC site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8242479.stm It isn’t real specific, but apparently Bush heard about the ring leader after the M15 had been working the case for many months and he acted like his usual cowboy self and got the Pakistani’s to arrest the guy….which risked spooking the potential terrorists and forced M15 to speed up their investigation. AND then the Pakistani’s let the guy escape…no one knows where he is (the US says they killed him, but they may just be trying to save face).
The UK foiled this plot in spite of all efforts by Bush to screw it up! Good work!
*smacks forehead* I should have known. Well I don’t know that it was a bad decision to arrest the ringleader, it could just as easily have discouraged the attack from ever happening as sped it up. But then again, I’m certainly no expert in that area. Now, trusting the Pakistani police to take care of him might have been a bad decision :-).
Good job UK!
To those who protest a “loss of liberties” –
I was in elementary school in the 60’s during the height of the Cold War. Every Thursday the “bomb drill” alarm sounded and we all crawled under our desks and curled into little balls with our fingers laced across the backs of our necks. The teachers told us how lucky we were to live in the US, that the Communists wanted to make the US a communist country where we would have to carry identification papers, be restricted in our travel across state/country borders, and be subject to police searches for no reason. Pretty ironic…
And yet – back then we didn’t lock our cars, we didn’t lock our front doors, and in the early 70’s I hitchhicked alone all over New England (I am female). I have given up all of those “freedoms” in the name of safety. The world changes – we have to change too, or die.
What about you ? I am very much concern about airlines and the safety still; Even following the conviction of the 3 suspects in the English Courts….
=Dennis Junior=
@ Roy, Washington DC
There is a huge difference between attacking with a plane and a bomb straped to your chest. And they wont attack unless they have a good plan.
-Anthony, LA, CA
It was a relief, of course, but also one worries about all the ones that might not be found.
I think Moslems have to do something to clean up their tarnished and still tarnishing image. And quit pretending the probem is Palestine. Just what do the scores of Iraqi, Afghan, and Pakistani civilians still being killed by suicide bombers have to do with Palestine?
Guilt by association is a fact of life. It’s high time Moslems the world over revolt against this scourge in their midst.
I was going to say something identical to that Bert. I hope Lubna read it,I hope Jamily5 read it and AK
Can someone say specifically which freedoms are being eroded? Not being sarcastic, I really want to know. In the grand scheme of things, carrying fluids on a plane, and extra body searches doesn’t seem like a big erosion, so maybe I’m missing something.
patti, start reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act . The third paragraph is what you want. This act does have good features, but it is waaay down the proverbial slippery slope.
@ Tom – Thanks for the info, and after reading it, I have to agree that it is at the very least unsettling.
A very good day for British justice and a vindication that justice can prevail without resorting to barbaric practises like torture.
Credit where it is due – hats off to the British police.
I hope the UK continues to isolate itself from the current fear ruling the USA. Please keep showing the way.
I’m relatively liberal, and I certainly see this as evidence of progress! I would argue that we aren’t sacrificing very many freedoms right now…we have to take off our shoes at the airport…etc. If it protects our country, and shows that we are capable of protecting ourselves, it may well be worth it.
I would argue against phone-tapping and tracking e-mails. While I would accept tracking e-mails for matters of national security, I do not think it is justified in enforcing any other law, and we therefore can’t afford to implement any sort of monitoring system.
@ Anthony
They could literally consume the thing, like a ‘drug mule’. We need portable x-ray equipment at airports.
You can pay for this if you like. I want no part of it. If the airlines pay for it and pass the expense on to travelers, I’m all for it. But if it comes out of taxes, I consider it a loss of freedoms. It is a case of the government taking my money to pay for something I neither want or need.
Salaam, and here we go again… As an Iraqi practicing Muslim woman who’s country has been torn apart by evil dictatorship, colonial occupation, and Wahabi terrorism let me say this very clearly to all of our friends down here : I am 100% against all kinds of acts of violence and terrorism against innocent civilians anywhere around the world, whether committed by terrorist groups formed by religious fanatics or by organised armies and agencies of countries i.e. State terrorism… Violence against innocent civilians anywhere around the world is always a huge deal that can NEVER be justified no matter what, and should be firmly condemned by all people of reason and logic around the world. With my love. Yours forever, Lubna…
Hello Dear Lubna,
Which evil dictatorship are you talking about?
Love from Taslima in Basrah
So we Iraqis are victims of terrorism ??? Wow, interesting !!! I’m just wondering, are we equal to or less worthy than our Western brothers and sisters who have been victims of terrorism ?! Are or aren’t we 2nd hand victims of terrorism ?! Now if you guys excuse me, I gotta go break my fasting… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…
From what I see, Iraqis face more terrorist related deaths per year than all but maybe four other countries every year. My question to you, does this make you more or less worthy, or perhaps equal?
Lubna;
I know, that Iraq is and has been a victim of terror-releated
attacks and, they should have mentioned that in this story…
=Dennis Junior=
The plot makes one sick in the stomach.Terrorists are governed by a strange, hideous, evil mentality. How could human beings stoop so low! While we have no right at all to pin the blame on moderate Muslims, we could question extremists for fuelling hatred, violence and encouraging terrorism!We should pursue terrorists relentlessly in their safe havens in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Indonesia, Sudan…(to name a few countries). Just think of the human cost: thousands of human lives being put in harm’s way just because of the actions of a desperate few!
We hear a lot of talk about hearts and minds, but the hearts and minds is not being applied at the root cause which is…
There are renegade Imams preaching deviant interpretations of the Koran and poorly educated or otherwise dispossessed people are following them.
We the west need to find a way to help moderate muslim community to get their radicals under control.
It might take a whole generation to pass before this can be realized.
First of all one should ask why these people were driven to act in this way. The answer would be political concerns over Palestine /Israel .KASHMIR.Checnya,western support for brutal Arab cleptomananiac corrupt undemocratic regimes,lack of repect for their religion and culture in the west etc…American soldiers in Saudi Arabia.
After 9/11 were any of these issues addressed,not really,although Iraq and Afghanistan may have been perceived as immediate threats the root causes need attention otherwise there will be no end to this conflict.
Bingo. Yes indeed, the populations of Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, are very much the victims of Islamist terrorism. How come that is such a difficult concept to get out there? How is it that the root causes of these unspeakable acts are always attributed to Israel and the Palestinians?
Even the western apologists like to perpetuate that simplistic myth. How many times have we heard said apologists mentioning the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that have died in this bisbegotten war, as if those deaths were at the hands of the US military?
If Moslem victims of Islamist terrorism are characterized by some as not being “worthy” of mention, it’s not because the West makes it this way. It is because those very Moslems aren’t speaking out against this Islamist terrorism. Evidently, THEY don’t see themslves as victims of a self-destructive ideology.
Believe it or not, this creates a lot of mistrust in the West.
And don’t forget, the Islamist uprisings in S. Thailand and the Philippines are because of Israel… I almost spit up my coffee when I heard some minister from an arab country blame bad roads in his country on Israel…
Terrorism will remain a form of expression for those seeking violent change or to make a point. Terrorists adapt to their environment. They seek whatever means to cause damage. The most popular form among Al Qaeda is suicide attacks. Terrorists can use even home-made explosives costing less than 20 dollars. That was the case in Morocco, two years ago when the security forces arrested would-be bomber with home-made explosive belts.
The danger is when Al Qaeda and the like continue to get a huge influence on desperate Muslims, promising them paradise in the after life by dying for its cause. What is then terrifying is the spread of a destructive ideology that sees massive killing as a form of cleansing. Such ideologies should be counter-attacked through continued vigilance and correct policies.
Just an innocent question : How would the US government and the American people, and may be the whole “civilised” world in general react to this scenario (God forbid!) : The US ministries of foreign affairs and finance are being targeted by two bombed trunks, 100 innocent civilians died and more than 500 others were injured… BTW, this scenario took place for real in my Baghdad on Wednesday the 19th of Augest 2009, and yet when our government tried to take a firm diplomatic action on the international against our “good” neighbours who are exporting to us suicide bombers and terrorism, what do we get from the what so called “civilised world” ?! Shy condemnations and calls for self-restraints, ha ha ha… So yes guys, we’re so unworthy, and our blood is so cheap… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…
Agreed. As opposed as I am to Islam, as a yank, it’s painful to see what my country has done to Iraq. Really, really sickening. I still recall watching the “shock and awe” campaign on telly as a university studen. Horrible stuff, and it only got worse… Abu Graib, the rape of a 15 year old girl by US servicemen, child prostitution by Blackwater. All of those crimes against Iraq should have been met with the firing squad.
No need to ask the question, just read recent history. Look to Sept 11, 2001. For the first three months, I believe the response was unanimously supported by our public and the democratic world. After three months, things became much less clear.
As for Iraq, I don’t believe most people consider your neighbors ‘good’. Also Iraq currently doesn’t have the strength to survive such an attack. Also, other countries do not want to fight your war no matter who attacks first. Before Iraq can stand against violent neighbors, they need stability and strength at home.
There’s only so far you can go with security measures before you’ve constrained airplane passengers so much so that you’ve basically let the terrorists win. I think there needs to be a healthy balance between taking safety precautions such as the use of metal detectors and bag screening and taking off one’s shoes. I think that tactic verges on ridiculous because when you think about it, someone could just as easily hide such a device underneath their clothes….where are we going to draw the line?
This is a beautiful but manly looking lady.
Love from Taslima in Barah
sorry my comment was meant for another topic.
Love from taslima in basrah
Trigger happy.
We have organizations dedicated to gathering intelligence on terrorist attacks, and have succeeded in stopping several of them. Nothing’s foolproof, but even in countries where people do sacrifice their essential liberties for safety, terrorism still occurs, usually with a greater frequency than in the United States. This failure to stamp out terrorism by giving up freedom begs the question: why give up your freedom at all?
Wouldn’t the next logical step in terrorism be for them to surgically implant bombs in their bodies? Only xraying people could stop this, and it’s simply going to make travelling unhealthy if people have to get exrayed every time they travel, as you get exposed to radiation..
Good discussion today, WHYS!
High Wycombe has the highest density of cctvs in the UK and the UK has the highest density of surveillance in the world.
They had cctv cameras up in some muslim areas in the 1980s.
I’m curious why the officials never make the compromise on phone taps, where the ONLY evidence that would be admissible in courts would be threats of terrorism, and anything learned about other illegal activities, whehther it be drugs, etc, would not be admissible. Would more people be willing to agree to this, as it would seem that only terrorists would have to fear that system.
Great job UK intelligence, I feel safe when flying knowing that there are qualified people who live to serve and to protect. Kudos!!
Not a frivolous point:
I don’t mind taking my shoes off either. But if my government officials overstep their powers (warrantless wiretapping, e.g. Bush), something’s gone horribly wrong. There are two kinds of terror (as per Camus): Individual and State.
Hi Lubna,
people don’t seem to understand that Islam/Christianity/etc has little to do with violence, terrorism and your continued support of nonviolence seems to fall on deaf ears — after all, you are just a muslim woman … and … and although people want to free you from oppressive muslim men, they still don’t find your support enough to make them understand that all muslims are not terrorists. Cordially
Unfortunately a lot of people don’t know the reasons why these people acted in this way and what is worse they don’t care to know why?
Good intelligence and air port security are all well and good,but the threats will keep on coming until,and unless the “terrorists” concerns are addressed in some manner. At the very least there should be more community development activity in ethnic minority areas and stronger legislation to protect peoples religious beliefs in the UK.
Why cant some of our fellow British Muslim citizens not just come out and rejoice in this verdict, no pre- conditions, justifications, criticisms of the police or courts. It’s always: ‘we condemn this act but…..’
The police and security services use intercepts against organised crime, it would be ridiculous if they didnt spy on potential terrorists.
Being a Muslim living in America I have to say that this is hard to hear. Not because I agreed with their cause but because the damage they have caused to Islam. The Media is not helping the situation by starting out every News report by saying ” Three Muslim men have been convicted for plotting to bomb airliners.” I feel as if most of the World sees the 1.2 Billion Muslim as blood thirsty murders when we are not. Just my feelings and I hope I’m wrong.
According to the book by Ron Susskind, “The Way of the World,” the biggest danger to the world at this time is a nuclear weapon in the hands of Al-Queda or some other terrorist organization and that it is only a question of time that this happens and they attempt to attack one of their designated enemies. Such an attack would, as your guest says they are seeking to do, top the 9-11 attacks.
All people who want to murder other people need to be vigorously pursued and stopped. Nuclear materials must be sought and secured so that terrorists cannot get any.
Canada
Listening to the show, people seem to forget that anti-western terrorist attacks are nothing new. In the generation when the excuse was country instead of religion, there were hostages taken in the US and Europe. Then there was the first mostly unsuccessful attack on the World Trade Center which was quickly forgotten. None of this is new. Now after many unsuccessful and lesser attacks it is suddenly fashionable to go over the top with measures based on political goals because of one success.
Yes, the loss of life was large, but what cost is justified to stop such a statistically small event that rated so little attention in the past.
For the people complaining about all this power being given to the state, can you give concrete examples of how you’ve been affected by this other than you having to remove your shoes and check bags that have liquids in them? Anyone?
How about all the taxes to pay for an absurd growth of the TSA? Personally I don’t like the deficit spending both US political parties are creating. Also know what will happen to the amount of taxes I will be paying in the future to fund it.
@ AK
So have protests against terrorists with at least 50% of the vigor they have for protests about mohammed cartoons. That would make a world of difference. It just seems that muslims are more outraged by cartoons than by mass murders in the name of islam.
EXACTLY!
Didn’t Newsnight expose Right Wing “think tank”Policy Exchange bogus research (intelligence)
Intelligence agencies will try and get information anyway they can,the law is there as just a formality, a fig leaf of protection for the rights of citizens.
your guest makes an excellent point about the extremists on both sides of the policing discussion – that certain people believe we (USA UK etc) are in a police state or or are doing nothing – – – – also a great analysis of conspiracy theorists and their and their underlying theory that police are invincible so that if an event happens, there must have been a “conspiracy”
Great to have Rob Watson as a guest also
Eric
San Francisco
KALW listener
Rizwan, like the question asked of you, you did answer with a “yes, I condemn, but”.. then you listed your gripe, which basically sounds like you would have been happy with nothing other than an acquittal. Imagine you or y our loved ones on a plane that is blown up. Is that the price you’re willing to pay?
So being an angry young muslim is enough to justify blowing up airplanes?
I’m a little baffled by the questions regarding the scale of the foiled plot.
This is a group that is commited to acquiring and using a nuclear weapon. If they succeed, all this controversy over heavy-handed tactics and invasions of privacy will evaporate as quickly as the city that is targeted.
I think Douglas (on the air) is naive. What is it that makes the state so noble? Given Britain’s history of white supremacy, wars of invasion and political misuse of the judiciary, I think Riswan has a right to be skeptical.
Douglas just stepped in it. When abortion doctor Tiller was murdered, the “Christian” right was unanimous in saying that “he reaped what he sowed.
Blanket statements, Douglas?
Except for two things, Jack. Firstly, I doubt too many people here, including the Christian clergy, would ever condone such murderous acts. Or have you heard of many sermons given, in churches throughout the US, in support of this crime?
Secondly, the whack job in question murdered one person. He did not go into a supermarket and take scores of innocent victims with him. And then become seen by the rest of us as some sort of martyr for a noble cause.
The analogy is a stretch.
Bravo on the guest who brought up the “but” comment. Think of this, I hate the Iranian government. If I hijacked an Iranian airplane and crashed it in Teheran into an office building, you’d only have condemnation of my my actions. NOBODY WOULD say “I condemnd what Steve die, but you should understand why he did it”. Riswan did say but, then denied he said it, his but about the conviction was the second trial/conviction and the money spent, because he thinks of you hav e aretrial, you’ll get the result you want. He denied his own “but” statement.
@ Steve.
See my comment above. But you’re right about Riswan, he is making excuses and he shouldn’t.
The problem is, Douglas denounces skeptics as “demagogues,” which is hilarious, since he’s a fear-mongerer.
+ To be fair it isn’t as if these criminals or terrorists just happen to be Muslim, they are allegedly doing this in the name of religion. So not mentioning that they are Muslim would be purposely dishonest to fit some politically-correct standard.
+ Islam is not a race. Nor is any religion. It is fair game to criticism religions on ideological grounds and collectively. Essentially all religions make the claim they are the correct or true religion so they in effect directly criticize the rest of the world and its other religions.
I really enjoyed the show today, I learned a lot.
Hi I think we should be honest about ourselves.The intelligence community is doing a lot to stop these acts and if profiling is one of them then for sure let it continue.I always wonder is it a coincidence that all the terrorists involved in all these bomb plots are Muslim?if you were an intelligence agent watching out for the next bomber you would definately take that into consideration.That’s the honest fact.Let’s stop overdramatising this and look at it as it truly is.
What are some danger signs here:
If you have nothing to hide, these “security measures” are no problem.
If you’re not with us, you’re against us.
“Terrorism” is a global organization. Right. Just like Fed Ex, is it?
If global security services are doing such a good job, then how come they still can’t find Bin Laden?
Tell me there’s no connection. The govt. tells you the terror threat means we’re now in a Code _____ alert. You watch a latenight movie, and what do you see? Almost every film is about dark-skinned Middle Eastern terrorists out to blow up a plane. And there’s NO connection whatsoever…..
I watched the coverages mostly on the BBC World news; I don’t have words to express the strong retaliatory emotions/anguish I had to go through, while I was being shown the images of the evil Islamic-terrorists. No country is safe from that kind of evil mindset; so it is evident, more than ever before, that very strong proactive & counter-measures need to be taken in the matters of safety & security. There’s no room for any complacency any more, and no relenting on any actions we are already taking or contemplating to take; It’s NOW MOST IMMEDIATE.
There is many aurgument between muslim and non muslim in this case sometime i agree specially for the muslim friend, but there is problem’ what ever happening in this world the name of reliagion that thing doing by muslim.
So muslim friend have to understand that the sake of country’s security until that time when this thing i will go for ever we have to co-opret them.
“If we are good guy why worry?
I specially thank to british polish you guy’s have done termands job good luck
I am very happy that these meciless buchers have caught and sentenced. But this is not enough, England should share this good experince and lesson to the rest of the world paricularily to the developing counries such as Africa on how could they investigate and caught them.
Every part of the world should oppose such kind of evil acts. Why most terrorist came from Pakistan . Is the religious teaching paved the way to kill and murder people
It isn’t anger only that causes young men or others to commit terrorist acts. Wanting to be a part of a righteous movement and enjoying the feeling of belonging to a group are also factors.
Self-righteousness and contempt for life allow such people to glory in committing the kind of unspeakable acts that every sensible human being despises.
It’s excellent that the British were able to convict these people and heartening that it was, to the best of my knowledge, done using legal means only. Had they not been convicted there would no doubt be equally anguished hand-wringing about how the system favors the criminals.
RE “” The airline terror plot; how did you react ? “”
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———– It just so happens that I came under the new emergency airline rules implemented on their first day.
I walked into the Dallas airport not knowing any thing of the British incident to catch a simple shuttle flight to Arkansas. I was pulled out of the line and given the full security monty save the body cavity searches.
All I could see is what I’ve seen in spades since 911, my, OUR hard earned tax monies going up in smoke. These government mandated stooges weren’t protecting me or my fellow citizens, they were agents of a government imploding in a labyrinth of bureaucracy so deep that Rome in it’s last days was but a pauper in comparison.
And, like 911, there is nothing anyone by themselves can do to prevent it. Until people start acting in unison by electing better leaders and stop falling for the poisonous partisan politics that controls government, much worse than 911 lays in wait.
…What about you ?….
When I heard this first story, I was thinking that these guys would not convicted….
=Dennis Junior=