25
Jun
09

Have the protesters lost in Iran?

iranianriotpolice-420x0The government crackdown has left Tehran eerily quiet. Although protestors are using other ways to make their point, like calling to God every night from their roofs, or driving with lights on and honking horns. President Obama’s been criticised for being so timid it only encourages the regime

Sanam thinks the Islamic Republic will stay intact.

And what’s happened to the footballers who made their own protest during a world cup qualifier? They got people’s attention but is sport an effective weapon of resistance?. Have the protestors in Iran lost this match?


24 Responses to “Have the protesters lost in Iran?”


  1. June 25, 2009 at 12:02

    No, they haven’t. The spark has jumped. This situation reminds me of the polish Solidarność strikes and the Montags-Demos in former East Germany among others. All these events sparked more or less a political reform or were to be seen as the beginning of the end. Let’s just hope, that this doesn’t turn to something as lost like Tian’anmen in 1989.

  2. 2 Donnamarie in Switzerland
    June 25, 2009 at 12:28

    The Iranian regime has stolen an election and, with their violent repressive tactics, they have stolen the protesters’ voices.

    But the regime has not stopped the anger of the people whose votes and voices have been taken from them, nor has it stopped the very real desire for change and reform of a large portion of the Iranian people.

    That desire for change and reform can only be increased by the regime’s tactics. That kind of desire has enormous inertia. It can be driven underground, but it isn’t going to go away until there IS change and reform. The protesters have not lost in Iran. My guess is that they’ve only begun to fight.

  3. June 25, 2009 at 12:31

    Perhaps the protestors have lost the battle in Tehran, but with the support they have garnered from the rest of the world, they are winning the war of hearts and minds.

  4. 4 Steve in Boston
    June 25, 2009 at 13:11

    Well for one thing, I can’t find any dictionary where the word is spelled “protestor.”

    The protesters have lost, and while this is bad news for individual Iranians, it’s good news for the long-term health of the Islamic Republic of Iran. By not caving in to the hysterical mob the religious leaders of Iran have shown the world what it takes to deal with insurrection. If nothing else, one has to admire the will, determination and decisiveness of the government. As someone who lived through the anti-war protests of the 1960’s, I can tell you that these things are filled with a lot of childish clowns with no agenda other than to act out against authority, make a lot of noise, and break things.

    Leaders in the West, especially Europe, should be careful what they say about the Iranian crackdown. Europe will one day find itself also plagued with riots and demonstrations, first resulting from economic hardship when the temporary calm bought by the bailouts runs out, second from the ever increasing European Muslim population which will one day begin flexing its muscles. Europe’s responses to such situations will determine whether it survives as civilized society, or whether it descends into anarchy.

  5. 5 Ramesh, India
    June 25, 2009 at 13:27

    yes, I have been saying this since the protests started. They have set a cheap goal for themselves of getting back votes for those that didn’t find a place in the list and repolling. They pretended they are in a democratic setup with a right to protest when the administration in Iran is actually dictatorial. My message to them is that there is no use fighting for missing votes or repolling, when there is no democracy at all. If you can not fight for democracy, just shut up and avoid killings of innocent people by the government because of your activities.

  6. 6 Ramesh, India
    June 25, 2009 at 13:49

    @Donnamarie
    You are right. The protests have just started and in order to succeed in achieving their goal, they need to win the support of majority of Iranians, not the support of us, those outside Iran. If the protests have the real fire power, they would have spread to other places in Iran. But we see the protests only in Iran. That speaks everything about the intensity of the protests and people’s minds there.

    • 7 Ramesh, India
      June 25, 2009 at 13:54

      typo. Please read the sentence as
      But we see the protests only in Tehran.
      Not as in Iran.

    • 8 hasti
      July 28, 2009 at 13:07

      listen,3 million people protesting in tehran ,is not a minority ,it’s majarity …and it’s sounds like a revolution,not a little and unimportant event,.2.it was not in tehran just,it was of course in other cities either,But dnt forget internet and all communications were limited by government,to avoid iranian rise their voices,lots of journalists,and foreigner reporters got fired of country ,to ban communication,,all you saw in media was filming by mobile.3.above 200 people killed only in tehran in one week,although government reported”if you come we kill”…so would you ever risk your life like our people to defend your vote?..4.i Never belive iranian Lost …you rarely see in any country people protesting like this,for take their vote back,although in many countries rigging the election is not so uncommon…..and you sould change your view about ”win” and ”lost”…people didnt protest just to win,but to show their disagreeness,and it’s not nesecirly leads to change in short time action…but few years later it leads to succes ….bcz if people ”want ” something they”gain”…sooner or later …4.i know why you want to underestimate iranian protesting against regime,,bcz suddenly you see a country in middle east ..rised up for their right,bcz you see iran is not a backward nations,and also people are not content with what they have like india….and although you dont want to see or understand ,but iran wont remain like this,,it’s goes to be a progressive country with full of youth and willing for freedom in few years..

  7. 9 ARTHUR NJUGUNA
    June 25, 2009 at 14:44

    REHABILITATE IRAN
    I totally agree with Steve in Boston.
    My first credit goes to Iranian people for seeing sence to result to calm so that reason can prevail. The state is more important than any individual.

    This season has equally found the British Priminister being challenged by his own MPs and even subjected to a protest vote. The British people did not go on the street and no one has asked them to do so since it will always work against their interest by attacking each other. This is maturity and it is required out of everyone else. The Iranians have not resorted to the barbaric suicide bombing that has characterised their neighbors across the border despite their anger. Kudos to all people of Iran.

    The second credit goes to the Iranian leadership for standing firm without killing dialogue per se through partial admission of existence of polling irregularites. Those who demoize this country need to be reminded that these leadership needs to be given time to react to the Iranians and those of us who have supported various factions even though we were not invited to do so. It is naive to expect this leadership to address this issues out of continued humiliation. Right now they wrongly presumed to be immature without enough proof. Further more it should not be lost to everyone that maturity and experience are matters of importance and a loophole should be left for dealing with this regime because the ultimate goal should be — rehabilitation.

  8. 10 Peter_scliu
    June 25, 2009 at 16:52

    Never believe it could succeed . I believe the protesters represent only a minority.

  9. 11 Dennis Junior
    June 25, 2009 at 18:04

    To a point, yes the protesters in Iran have lost…
    ~Dennis Junior~

    • 12 Dennis Junior
      June 25, 2009 at 18:06

      But, in the long-term The Protesters in Iran will be “able” to win the battle…
      ~Dennis Junior~

  10. 13 Donnamarie in Switzerland
    June 25, 2009 at 18:48

    @ Steve in Boston,

    Shame on you. The “hysterical mob” had a legal right to protest, a right which they were violently denied. As someone who also lived through the anti-war protests of the 1960’s, I can tell you that your analysis of them as “things…filled with a lot of childish clowns with no agenda other than to act out against authority” is historically inaccurate and personally insulting.

    I was a protester. One of my brother’s was in the Special Forces and wore the green beret in ‘Nam (he lost a leg, got a Purple Heart and a Silver Star.) My other brother sheltered i Canada, even though he was 4F.

    I thought the Vietnam War was wrong and protested against it. I think the Iraq War is wrong and protest against it. I think the the current Iranian fraud and repression is wrong; while I am not a party to that conflict, I uphold the right of the protesters to protest.

    Your sweeping generalizations and condemnations are not helpful.

  11. 14 Peter in Jamaica
    June 25, 2009 at 19:01

    YEP!!!!

  12. 15 Alan in Arizona
    June 25, 2009 at 20:02

    This is only the first battle in a struggle that will last for years to come!

  13. 16 Brian from Ca.
    June 25, 2009 at 20:43

    @Steve and Arthur,
    Four comments (sorry):
    First, it is impossible to know who would have won the election. The point is that the authorities would not allow a real election, even after handpicking the candidates. What do you expect people to do?
    Second, the protests were peaceful. Much of the violence was staged. Various videos have show the Basji militia wearing ski masks to hide their identity, a procedure used in Chicago at the 1968 Democratic Convention where police removed all identifying items prior to exercising “crowd control”, i.e., beating demonstrators. I’ve also seen videos showing the Basji and police burning a bus and damaging vehicles to discredit the protestors.
    Having said that, I hope the protest refrains from direct demonstrations. Being killed or injured for life does not achieve anything. The point about the regime has been made. It has been discredited. The rest will occur over time.
    Finally, having been in anti-war riots. The videos are very helpful in showing how people standing by innocently or protesting “litely” can get sucked into the emotion and then into a maelstrom of violence. I’ve had my kids watch the videos for this reason.

  14. 17 Mojy
    June 25, 2009 at 21:06

    I was filled with sadness when I read the comments…..it sounded to me that most of the people who wrote here were not following the story of my country completely……that is not about just losing an election or being the majority / minority….it is a battle for right…..the right to vote & the right to be respected…….most people feel humiliated …..they unconsciously have been taken part in a game by the ones who R ruling this counrty …………….. they feel being misused or better to say abused……………….did U know that they counted 20,000,000 votes just in 2/3 hours manually? did U kow that the so-called laeder confrimed the result immidately which according to their own costitusion is illeagal & must be done after double checking the result by their own guardian council? there R soooooooooo many other issues like these…………I just wanna ask people who R commenting here at least follow the news compeltely then judge about it……I don’t know what will happen in the future or how this will end but I do know one thing …..Iran will never be the same Iran it used to be during the last 30 years…………..

    • 18 Ramesh, India
      June 27, 2009 at 16:20

      @Majy,
      Don’t you have courts and laws that give you a right to contest 20 million votes can be counted mannually? Yes, you can conveniently say that the legal system is under the control of the ruling elite. Then what is the use of having some useless vote. Even if you are given your vote, it may be announced that you have voted to Nejad. Come on, don’t fight for some stupid things but for things that really matter most. If I am Iranian, I may fight for independent election commission and judiciary that would perform their duties without fear or favour. If we don’t have those two, any form of democracy is useless.

  15. 19 Deryck/Trinidad
    June 26, 2009 at 04:03

    They have lost the battle,now they must win the battle for ideology which will be difficult because some people don’t want to change.

  16. 20 Rezaie
    June 26, 2009 at 05:30

    Yeah they lost alright. The revolt is crushed, the unrest HQ’s have been condemned, and key scores of sabotagers have been arrested.

    It’s time to move on.

  17. 21 anu_D
    June 26, 2009 at 20:38

    BBC’s storm in a tea-cup revolution has ended.

    Those in Iran…misguided by notions of worlwide support on Twitter and Facebook are losers.

    Timid Obama with his loose talk..caring too much for what Iran will think of his words is a loser……Ahmedinijad has already blamed Obama for the protests and demanded an apology.

    Chavez has backed Ahemdinijands claims

  18. June 26, 2009 at 21:40

    Yes.
    The protesters of democracy in Iran is lost.
    I have already written lot of comments on post election results in Iran,what happened and all like that through this network.
    You have published my comments on number of times.
    One serious questions for politics,Where is democracy in any middle East Countries.Honestly speaking,no democracy exists.
    Now, Iranians have to accept election results and go for day today work.

  19. 23 globalcomedy
    June 28, 2009 at 04:56

    In one sense, no. They have the guts to stand up for what they believe is right.

    Now, some people in govt. in the States ARE hurting them by saying lots of idiotic rubbish. Let’s support them and ship weapons to them. THAT’s really going to help them.

    Also, remember that the MSM loves nothing more than a “sexy” story they can milk for ratings. Which has been more important in the past two days? Democracy in Iran? Or, the Global Michael Jackson Report?

  20. June 28, 2009 at 22:46

    Iran will never be able to purge the collective memory of this amazing act of courage.

    Iranians are sick and tired, and they aren’t going to take it anymore.


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