30
Jan
09

On air: Local jobs for local people?

refineryIt’s a familiar theme, but it makes it no less pressing for a lot of you. Workers in the UK are furious that companies are bringing in staff from elsewhere in the EU. When we were in Florida last week we heard frustrations that Mexicans are ‘taking jobs from us’. Many South Africans have expressed frustration on the show that other Africans take ‘South African jobs’.

And the examples go on and on.

This isn’t about illegal immigration. This is about whether at times of economic trouble your country should make sure that any jobs that are available go to locals, and not to foreigners.

Should a protectionist approach be part of every leader’s response to the current economic crisis?


139 Responses to “On air: Local jobs for local people?”


  1. 1 brinda Rao
    January 30, 2009 at 13:54

    this is something a country should thing about before signing for global trade.
    Unless and until work becomes global , benefits of globalization can not be reaped.

  2. January 30, 2009 at 13:56

    If there is an eligible person locally available then we have to hire them. If not we can get the workers from outside.

  3. 3 Ramesh
    January 30, 2009 at 14:02

    You better ask the people who vigorously used phrases like 21st century, no barriers, global village, free trade etc.

  4. 4 Katie Davidson
    January 30, 2009 at 14:10

    I certainly believe that tax paying citizens should get the local jobs in their country. I am not passing any kind of judgment on illegal immigration, that’s another matter. But, if you are a citizen of a certain country, you should have every right to be able to find a job in that country.

  5. January 30, 2009 at 14:22

    The concept of working and consuming locally is rooted in a time proven concept. The more locally you participate, the more sustainable your activities

    The concept is easy. If you consume local goods and services, you are employing people who consume the good or service that is your livelihood. If they are not employed, who is going to employ you?

    The problems of the US and leading European economies is one of unsustainable economic activities. They consumed way more then they produced. Wealth has to flow in a circle. The funniest part of last years “stimulus checks” is that the problem with the US economy is that we were buying too much stuff from China via Wal-Mart, and not selling enough stuff to China (or anybody else). However, we were sent 500 bucks that many of us went and bought more Chinese goods with.

  6. 6 Steve
    January 30, 2009 at 14:29

    It’s human nature to save a buck by hiring cheaper labor. If it weren’t foreigners, it would be young people. You hear older people complaining about how it’s hard for them to get work because you can pay younger people less. Such is life.

  7. 7 Anthony from Cleveland Ohio
    January 30, 2009 at 14:37

    This even goes to a local level here. My Older brother works in construction.
    He has been out of work now for months, and the few jobs around here are going to people from other cities or states for less money. These jobs should be given to the locals.

  8. January 30, 2009 at 14:43

    It is about control. Companies recruit managers and technocrats from outside the community for a variety of reasons that may or may not change in economic hard times. The recruitment of outsiders with advanced or specialty educations allows for an initially stronger bond with the company and it’s interests than with the community and the interests that may differ from that of the company.

    At least in California, we have prominent business owners who have backed tax measures which keep lowering the quality of our education and at the same time whine that they cannot find what they need locally so they have to import talent.

    I do not see the dynamics of power changing for hard times, but I suppose it could happen.

    It makes no sense to blame the immigrant for the dynamics of modern politics and business.

  9. January 30, 2009 at 14:45

    It’s laudable that local people should have local jobs. But there are jobs that the locals disdain to do like construction and farming. The Gulf States have to rely on foreign workers mainly from the Indian Subcontinent because they have relatively a small population compared to the needed development activities and the locals can accept only activities related to office work or trade, which has resulted in high unemployment among the young.

    A protectionist approach isn’t the best solution as this means the world economy will shrink even further because of reduced economic exchanges. This will mainly have negative effect on poor countries whose economy depends on exports to rich countries and remittance from their immigrant populations. Countries should instead protect local jobs as long as there are those who can do them efficiently. Depriving the locals from them will lead just to social unrest.

    However, there are jobs that only foreigners are renowned to be good at. In the UK, Polish worker , for example, are still highly needed for repair services. This leads to ask which category of foreign workers should be disposed of for the benefit of the locals.

  10. January 30, 2009 at 14:53

    Local Jobs as the name implies is for the local people.It even reduces uneployment rate in the country. Except in a situation where the local people lack the competence for the job, then you can hire international experts.

    Secondly, giving the job to local people is less burden than giving it to foreigners.

    Mohammed Kondawa

    Monrovia Liberia

  11. 11 Tony from Singapura
    January 30, 2009 at 14:54

    In Singapore, the economic crisis is biting hard and over the coming year I expect many Singaporeans will be without work.

    Compounding this problem is the fact that for the past 12 months at least, foreign workers from China, Myanmar, Nepal, India have been turning up in jobs that previously occupied by Singaporeans but for a fraction of the cost, e.g. Bus Driver, Truck Driver, Petrol Kiosk attendant, motor mechanic , etc.

    Now I am starting to hear Singaporeans grumble about these foreign workers taking jobs for lower wages than a local could sustain on.

    Picture this… an out of work Singaporean who has a truck license is sitting by the side of the road and he sees that all of the passing trucks are driven by Chinese nationals working for a fraction of the wages.

    This fellow who is struggling to feed his family is not going to be happy – trouble is brewing !

  12. 12 Mohammed Ali
    January 30, 2009 at 14:55

    I am of the strongest conviction that once the locals are qualified, local jobs should always go to them. Offering local jobs to outsiders when there are equally qualified locals brings more pressure on the local economy. Migrant workers always send back home half of what they work for.

  13. 13 Peter, Portland, OR, USA
    January 30, 2009 at 14:58

    To coin a term introduced by the film “Swing Vote”, this concept of bringing in foreigners who displace local workers, it’s called “insourcing”…versus “outsourcing” for sending jobs overseas.

    The reason “insourcing” supposedly occurs is because the foreign worker typically will accept a lower wage than a local worker. If there is a shortage of workers in a given vocation, this might be acceptable. But if there are locals who can and will do the work, foreign workers should not be routinely brought in to displace them due to lower wages.

    An interesting study is being released in Davos today regarding the lack of trust people now have with corporations. This is a perfect example of why trust is lacking.

    One way to reduce the “insourcing” trend would be to implement employment laws that deter companies from such wage-related activities, but workers themselves might need to organize with unions in the interim, as a protective measure, or to apply pressure.

  14. 14 Alex in Nairobi
    January 30, 2009 at 15:25

    Its rather logical that countries may import labour if their people lack the expertise. It makes absolutely no sense to import labour when a country has the sufficient and capable labour, like Africans countries are famous for.

    What I think is happening now is that the economic illhealth is exerting some not-too-little pressure on peoples’ pockets. So much so that everyone is looking to make some money. In the face of this though, companies are laying workers off. And what do they now see? The jobs that are ‘going to foreigners’. And I would not blame them for that. They are just reacting to the pressure.

  15. January 30, 2009 at 15:41

    Protectionism will mean the end of many economic agreements between different countries as it will mean the end of many economic blocs like the EU,G8 and ASIAN.
    What is needed is economic restructuring that can allow national economies to grow and to expand beyond the borders. The biggest losers of protectionism will be the emerging economies, like those of India and China, whose success largely depend on exports.

    It’s no good news for anyone that the the world economy should shrink as it will put backward many poor and developing countries as it will lead a fall in the living standard of the citizens of developed country. There should be mechanism to revive the national economy without jeopardizing the existing international trade agreements.

  16. 16 Greg
    January 30, 2009 at 15:47

    This whole job thing is getting crazy but here. In America no one wants to be a carpenter, plumber, lawyer or doctor anymore. They just want to be hedge fund managers. BTW If WHYS is going to be in Israel you should try a side trip to Gaza so we can see what the situation is there. All we get is third hand info. Great opportunity.
    GB/OB

  17. January 30, 2009 at 15:53

    Local Jobs as the name implies is for the local people.
    It helps to reduce unemployment rate in the country. Except in a situation where the locals lack the competence and requirement for the job, then you can hire foreigh experts. Giving local job to local people is less burden than foreigners because, there is a need to settle with the Bureau of Immigration, settle accomodation(whether shortstay or longstay), and other financial needs will be embedded into their monthly salary as International experts before bringing them into the country to work.

    Mohammed Kondawa, Monrovia Liberia

  18. 18 Kosgei
    January 30, 2009 at 16:13

    We live in a globalised world where every thing is unified and we are just one community. Everybody is free to take up a job anywhere in this world as long as he or she meets the qualifications.

  19. 19 Jennifer in New York
    January 30, 2009 at 16:24

    The problem with the notion that local jobs should go to local people is that the local people might not want the jobs. If a person is desperate enough to relocate for a position or migrate for work….than they will take any job they can. If a person has a roof over their heads and some sort of income, whether it be a spouse or unemployment or severance, or public assistance paying to put food on their tables, then they may not want a minimum paying or labor job…..and that position needs to be filled so it will be filled by the person that will do it.
    For example – English is not the first language of anyone that works at my local McDonalds. BUT, I have several friends that are unemployed, all of whom have college degree’s that would never think to apply for a position at McDonalds, nor will they as long as their unemployment pays more than McDonalds does.
    I agree with Greg…..no one here (in America) is all that interested in the idea of working for their money…….Wall Street fell for a reason…….greed and lazyness.

  20. 20 Steve in Boston
    January 30, 2009 at 16:28

    Protectionism is a pendulum that swings back and forth. It gives the the locals jobs, but after a while they get complacent and produce inferior products, resulting in a drive toward globalization. Globalization brings lower prices and better products through increased competition, but results in economic suicide for those used to a higher standard of living.

    With millions of people losing jobs these days, the pendulum is about to swing toward protectionism once again. However one thing that’s different this time is the large percentage of foreigners who have been allowed to legally immigrate and who have not been required assimilate. The result of that misguided social experiment will almost surely be bloodshed within the next ten years.

  21. 21 Justin from Iowa
    January 30, 2009 at 16:36

    Larger companies are only interested in the bottom line, and you make a better bottom line profit paying for cheap labor over seas rather than in developed countries.

    What we’ve seen in the US in the last few decades is more and more small companies bought out or forming into larger and larger companies. As the smaller companies and companies with a community/local focus die off, more jobs go outside the country.

    We’ve let it happen – its the Walmart Phenomenon in the US – and now we have to live with the consequences.

  22. 22 Michelle from Jamaica
    January 30, 2009 at 16:39

    Many Jamaicans are all over the world working. For most of them they are the ones supporting their families from their income overseas. Poorer countries will always export labour, and rich counties/organisations will always use cheaper labour. Its’s a cycle, it’s all about the bottom line. The hope of a ‘better’ life for a family and better economies of scale for a country/company.

  23. 23 BOB IN NORTH PORT, FLORIDA
    January 30, 2009 at 16:42

    it is my strong opinion that this should not be allowed at all. In the USA, companies are allowed to get special Visa’s for people with technical skills that are not available in this country. In your situation I would that a British company should have to prove that the skills are not available in your country. Your situation is compounded by the fact that you are all in the EU and passports or work visa are probably not required. I think however that there should be a ruling from the govenment stating that due to the current economic condition of the country that hiring cheaper labor from another country is forbidden unless it is related to special skills not available!

  24. 24 Togo
    January 30, 2009 at 16:51

    Hi Ros,

    Most locals are rarely trusted onsight,so companies bring with them “the devils” the know,then later allow local “Angels” to join.

    Companies should only bring in top management for a short while, just to prepare handing over to locals.

    Africa has suffered most.The Aid projects end up siphoning all the money back thru the expatriates accounts.
    Local jobs should fairly be on local people priority basis.

    Togo Kasoro
    KAMPALA UGANDA

  25. January 30, 2009 at 17:08

    In Morocco, there are many sectors that are managed by foreign companies although the workers are all Moroccans, except at the administrative level where there are some foreigners.

    In Casablanca, the largest city in Morocco, water , electricity , sewage and litter collection are managed by French companies. In Marrakesh, all the buses are managed by a Spanish company because the municipality company went bankrupt because of mismanagement.

    In the case of Morocco, there are locals who do most of the jobs. There are very few foreign workers. This means, it’s possible to create jobs for the locals, but there are still sectors that should be managed by foreign companies because of the lack of transparency and good managements when they are in the hands of the nationals.

  26. 26 Venessa
    January 30, 2009 at 17:09

    Protectionism is not the answer in a global economy. Those that complain jobs go to foreigners either do not have the education or qualifications for the higher-level job or are unwilling to do the type of work that an uneducated foreigner will perform. It’s funny how no one complains about the “foreigners stealing jobs” when unemployment is low.

  27. 27 Joe in Portland
    January 30, 2009 at 17:11

    As long as the worker isn’t getting rich off it, they deserve the job just as much as any other qualified person. That being said, sustainability and green practices tell us that local is better since you use less energy in transportation. People are people, but we have to think about our impacts, too.

  28. 28 Kofi,Ghana
    January 30, 2009 at 17:19

    Globalisation should be considered properly. It looks like europe is now going to complain about what africa has been crying over for year. We need to balance trade and labour. So africa needs to choose who they employ in projects sposored or monitored by western countries

  29. 29 Donnamarie in Switzerland
    January 30, 2009 at 17:30

    A lot of telephone service jobs from many countries have been out-sourced to India. The Indian workers are not shipped off to the client countries, they sit at their desks in Delhi or Mumbai.

    I avoid buying out-of-season produce that has been shipped in from the opposite hemisphere, and in season buy local products even if they are more expensive than the imports. This is not protectionism, it’s common sense. The essence of globalization is not to haul things and people willy-nilly from one place to another. It’s to make the best use of all resources available, and out-source or import when the skills or products are not available locally.

    This is not what is happening in Britain regarding the Italian company, and Italian and Portuguese workers. I hope the Italian company’s plan fails.

  30. 30 Maurice Wastiaux
    January 30, 2009 at 17:43

    Its time everybody realizes they are part of an integrating European Union. You want a job? Get a competitive, complementary skill and move there where this skill is needed! No regionalism, nationalism, racism, we constructing a necessary United Europe. Sad that Trade Unions take such a stance.

    Antwerp – Belgium

  31. January 30, 2009 at 17:44

    Employing locals to provide goods and services is extremely important to the sustainability of any economy but consumers are too distracted by our culture of advertisements to think about economic sustainability when they are out at the mall voting with their dollars.

    If consumers took responsibility for their actions in the marketplace, we wouldn’t be dependent on corrupt governments to regulate our markets.

    Turn off your television, turn your back to politics, think for yourself and you may realize that we share so much in common with the people in our communities that by simply acting upon real responsible self interests (not advertising sculpted selfish impulses) we can all start to make decisions that lead to the organic growth of truly sustainable communities.

  32. 32 Eric Karkovack
    January 30, 2009 at 17:45

    I believe that a country’s leadership must make the well-being of their citizens their top priority. So, as an American, I would like to see jobs in my country go to United States citizens and I think other countries should be thinking the same way.

    Carlisle, PA USA

  33. 33 Devadas V
    January 30, 2009 at 17:46

    in economic trouble locals must be considered first but it must not be locals only scenario?see in our state kerala manual laboureres are the highest paid in india in the manual scenario.now in staes like bihar,up,orissa,tamilnadu etc where there are isolated case of bonded labour even are flowing into our state for doing manual jobs and the contractors here are exploiting them with extra work ..same with case of britain,america etc in good times they were reluctant to do odd jobs but in crisis they want such work for themselves blaming mexicans of getting their jobs etc .

    Kerala India

  34. 34 Herbert Nduli
    January 30, 2009 at 17:47

    It truly is a puzzling predicament when it comes to employment issues, a large part of which this question constitutes.
    I must admit, it is a rather sensitive issues, especially since the “frustration” in South Africa turned violent, victims of which my fellow Zambians were.
    While I sympathise with locals being unemployed, especially when such individuals are well-qualifed, I cannot stand such heavy complaints have their origin in lazy-minded people. It might have been the case in South Africa, where unemployment could easily turn to crime.
    However, in rare cases, circumstances might have a powerful effect on choice.

  35. 35 Debris Rutkauskaite
    January 30, 2009 at 17:48

    I think that a protectionist approach is a very appropriate turn in the present economic situation. Even in better times, a familiar employee is normally preferred to a new and unknown one. It is not for nothing that banks and companies introduce test periods for the newly employed. In the present situation, an employee would count, I suppose, even on the sense of citizenship and patriotism on the part of the employer

  36. 36 Sarah Phillips
    January 30, 2009 at 17:50

    Just a simple response really, but if the work available is given to local people, then generally the money earned by those employed will also be spent or remain in that country – helping the economic recovery in all senses.

  37. 37 lynne
    January 30, 2009 at 17:50

    How often, these days, am I ashamed to be British? Did this company win this contract in fair competion against other bids, including those from UK businesses? If they did, these protestors should be ashamed of their protectionism.

    Let’s go the whole hog, shall we….send all foriegn workers home…..doctors, nurses, included….and keep these jobs for the Brits!

    It is pathetic behaviour!

  38. 38 judy bintzdoll
    January 30, 2009 at 17:51

    YES on local employeement

  39. January 30, 2009 at 18:07

    I have to agree with Bob in Northport Florida on this one. If the contract bidding was open and fair, and if Great Britain is to remain a partner in the European Union, (and I recognize that that first “if” requires a leap of faith these days), then there is no conflict. It would be somewhat like people in Oregon complaining that a Florida-based company got a contract on a low bid. Tough, but not illegal or immoral.

  40. January 30, 2009 at 18:12

    Policy makers should demand that a trading partner consumes as much as they export. Most importantly policy makers should ensure labor, safety, and environmental restrictions should be matched to the morality of their constituents.

  41. 41 Monica in DC
    January 30, 2009 at 18:13

    I feel sorry for those in countries that are poor and need jobs but due to the greed of corporate fatcats, we are becoming the poor and jobless. Outsourcing and insourcing are wrong. I hate calling customer support on anything and getting someone overseas. There are language barriers and also I think of the American who could be doing this job.

  42. January 30, 2009 at 18:13

    Please don’t blame me for taking your job…
    Vent your spleen on globalization!

  43. 43 Vijay
    January 30, 2009 at 18:14

    Protectionism is the most dangerous sentiment at a time of global economic recession, xenophobia and lack of trust will deepen the current crisis.The UK depends on free trade,free markets and free people ,historically it has been outward looking.

  44. 44 Paul in Rhode Island
    January 30, 2009 at 18:16

    There should be protection of some kind during such a strong downturn as this, but there should also be protection for immigrants who already have a job. It’s a sad but difficult balance to strike.

  45. 45 Scott or Not
    January 30, 2009 at 18:17

    LEVEL FIELD?

    Globalization works with a level playing field, the world is NOT a level playing field. Someone pays the price, picks up the tab, or suffers so companies everywhere get what they want: ever cheaper labor. What will happen if the world ever becomes a level field? There wouldn’t be anyone left to take advantage of—so much of this alleged globalization we see now would cease!

  46. 46 Anthony
    January 30, 2009 at 18:19

    I ONLY buy Fords, because I know that will keep an American working.

    -Anthony, LA, CA

  47. 47 Steve
    January 30, 2009 at 18:21

    @ Anthony

    You mean it will keep an American working on repairing your ford? Any car that is unrealiable creates work for Mechanics. I had a Ford, and I would never buy one again after that experience.

  48. 48 getbanditcat
    January 30, 2009 at 18:21

    Hah!
    I love the way the British oil-workers are in an uproar, when their companies have repeatedly gone to foreign countries ( albeit with help from those nations’ dispicable leaders…) and RAPED the countries of their resources, contributing absolutely nothing to the local communities. At least the foreign workers want to just work, isn’t that what most developed nations preach, ad-nauseum? Work hard to be successful?

    Globalism is here to stay. Instead of complaining, new solutions should be found. With the dire condition of the world’s climate, green jobs on a global level, can only serve to create more jobs for more people, while solving the problems of climate-change, labor, and much more.

  49. January 30, 2009 at 18:22

    Historical Structuralism is the only politically scientific way to respond to this topic. The realist there in England sounds like he is ready to fight World War I.

    Marx spoke of a world proletariat, Lenin got it wrong because he had a bullet in the back of his head and turned bipolar.
    Stalin was nuts.

    This conversation speaks to me of a world proletariat.
    The one Lenin thought he had durring World War I
    The one Che thought he could make with pesants

    Hasta La Victoria Siempre
    The Banks are already socialized, housing is next.
    When we don’t have to worry about where we are going to live
    We will be fine

  50. 50 Matt from Oregon
    January 30, 2009 at 18:22

    I would absolutely pay more for products made in the USA!

  51. 51 getbanditcat
    January 30, 2009 at 18:24

    Sorry, but Bolu has it all wrong! Especially when Nigerians (like myself) are all over the world, working hard. If they had his attitude. we’d be screwed!

  52. 52 Fred Ross
    January 30, 2009 at 18:24

    I think the people of the US have spoken on what they will buy. Wal- Mart was originally a “Made in America” store and advertised on that basis. Of course now Wal-Mart imports most of their products and is the largest, most profitable store chain not only in the US but in the world.

  53. 53 Amanda from Cleveland, OH
    January 30, 2009 at 18:27

    As an American, I do not believe most Americans that say they will buy American. They may vote YES on a poll but the majority will not vote yes with their wallets. Most people have a “Wal-Mart mentality”, they want to get something for as little as possible. If local production would make an item cost 4 to 5 times more it would be unlikely to be purchased.

  54. 54 Paul in Rhode Island
    January 30, 2009 at 18:27

    I would definitely be willing to pay more for products made in the U.S. I have felt this way for the past ten years as I have watched our trade deficit skyrocket. I don’t mind purchasing from foreign countries, but whether it is foreign labor or foreign goods, I think equality is key. In the same way I think we should seek more diversity in who we buy products from (including domestic companies), I don’t think we should stop shipping out massive amounts of jobs.

  55. 55 Chris White
    January 30, 2009 at 18:28

    I am an Australian working in the US. US immigration laws require us companies to state that they cannot fill a position with an American before hiring a skilled foreign worker. As for me, I have a green card due to my marriage to a US citizen. Does this proposal involve restricting a LEGAL immigrant to their right to work in this country? If so, that is ludicrous in the extreme. How do I make a living? This will merely increase the insular reputation the US has in the international community.

  56. 56 bogere robert
    January 30, 2009 at 18:28

    Hi! If local American companies arent allowed to employ cheap labor to cut costs, they’ll go out of business altogether. The US economy cannot handle expensive workers because the credit crunch means there’s less money for salaries. Robert in Uganda

  57. 57 David Ancel
    January 30, 2009 at 18:29

    I am a producer of handmade glass in Oregon; during the course of this work I require many tools, sundries, etc. I would like to buy American products. The problem is, in my experience American manufacturers try to compete with China on a price basis, and therefore make an inferior product than the Chinese at the same price point. American manufacturers are not able to compete with China on price, but they try anyway and usually fail, at which point they buy components from China and rebrand as made in America. I would buy American at a higher price point, if the quality was commensurate with the higher price.

    David

  58. 58 Monica in DC
    January 30, 2009 at 18:30

    @ Anthony,
    My Toyota was built in Kentucky. Last time I checked, Kentucky was in the USA.

  59. January 30, 2009 at 18:30

    Dear Ros:

    What if the big 4 English football teams only hired local players? How competitive would they be domestically and/or internationally?

    Thank you.

    Steve Amoia
    Washington, D.C.
    World Football Commentaries Blog

  60. January 30, 2009 at 18:30

    I find it an amusing delusion that the Americans think they can only by American products.

    Walmart is their biggest employer and clearly their largest retailer. The only way Walmart can sell things so cheap is to by their goods from Asia. The fact is that people in America (and the west is general) like to buy stuff and they won’t be able to stop any time soon. Americans need to wake up, go to school, and start exproting intelllectual property – they just can’t compete when it comes to making good any longer.

  61. 61 Tre Gaarder
    January 30, 2009 at 18:31

    I would be happy to “buy American” for the sake of sustaining our country’s economy- even if it means I’m paying more for the same product.

    If American consumers had a choice between two items of equal quality, many would pay more for the American-made product. However there is a severe gap in American technology and product reliability, which often makes consumers turn to foreign goods.

    Trey from Austin, TX

  62. 62 Jay , Riga, Latvia (Originally Baltimore)
    January 30, 2009 at 18:32

    The error many of your listeners are making is assuming that the pool of jobs is a fixed, static number. By using the most efficient workerforce possible, we produce the lowest cost, most efficiently produced products, ensuring that they will be sold in the largest possible numbers. This produces more jobs and a boyant economy where everyone benefits, The only way to work thru the current economic woes is by resurecting the economy; not by burying it in protectionism.

  63. January 30, 2009 at 18:32

    This is a double sided sword as well. If a prosperous company moves into an area and employs locals for a wage hire then local average, it an cause the cost of living to rise in the area ultimately hurting the larger community. Foreign labor is always intrusive to the economy it occupies.

  64. 64 Venessa
    January 30, 2009 at 18:33

    @ Matt from Oregon

    That’s exactly the point. You have to vote with your dollar to avoid jobs being shipped elsewhere. Businesses are around for one thing – to make money. Until people quit shopping at Wal-Mart and all the other discount retailers, pay attention to where the goods and services are coming from and are willing to pay more for local products then no change will occur.

  65. 65 Jonathan (sunny San Francisco)
    January 30, 2009 at 18:33

    Surely we don’t have to reargue Adam Smith, after 230 years. In the 21st century, there are no “local jobs” or “local workers” anyway, and the advantages of trade are more obvious and more important than ever.

    Jonathan
    San Francisco

  66. 66 Sergio
    January 30, 2009 at 18:34

    When i was 16 i have worked two years at a food company in selsey, chichester. I had a six months tourist visa so i was a illegal worker and on my point of view those are the one governement should combat, but it make no sense to favour local people over for people that are legally employed. I am now 22 and at the last year of computer cience and i got plans to worke again in another country btu this time legally.

    Sergio, Maringa – Brazil.

  67. 67 Vijay
    January 30, 2009 at 18:36

    “Beggar your neighbour” policies as well as protectionism is exactly what happened after the 1929 crash and that led to the Great Depression and World War 2.

  68. January 30, 2009 at 18:36

    My first question to all those protestors – Do they feel one human being is superior to other. If not then why there should be partiality just because someone was born somewhere else?

    Now why company go for other country staff – because as capitalist economy dictate for lower cost. Now why not locals are ready to provide same quality work at same cost. If another person can afford it with that salary why not local.

    Do they think there life is superior? There can be arguments that it cheaper to live in developing country and hence those people can afford to work on cheaper salary. Then why not everyone go and live in these countries?

    So I feel that all these protests are based on old mentality of one is superior than other and is form of another type of apartheid.

  69. 69 Jeffrey Richards
    January 30, 2009 at 18:37

    I presume that Total is expecting people in Britain to buy thier product. If people don’t have jobs then this will not happen. Maybe the protesters should organize a boycott of Total.

    Jeff, Nebraska, USA

  70. 70 Christopher McEnroe
    January 30, 2009 at 18:37

    I find it an amusing delusion that the Americans think they can only by American products.

    Walmart is their biggest employer and clearly their largest retailer. The only way Walmart can sell things so cheap is to by their goods from Asia. The fact is that people in America (and the west is general) like to buy stuff and they won’t be able to stop any time soon. Americans need to wake up, go to school, and start exproting intelllectual property – they just can’t compete when it comes to making good any longer.

    Cheers,

  71. 71 Tom D Ford
    January 30, 2009 at 18:37

    “Should a protectionist approach be part of every leader’s response to the current economic crisis?”

    Yow! Ha ha ha! Just one nation, the US, has hundreds of “protectionist” military bases around the world to protect the business interests of very wealthy people.

    So the question about protectionism has already been answered for business people, the only part left is should Workers also enjoy the protection of their government.

    Should Workers be treated as equal to business owners?

    Yes!

  72. 72 Pat
    January 30, 2009 at 18:37

    The problem isn’t trade… it’s unfair trade that exists purely to exploit slave labor and to avoid environmental regulations.. . Trade should be like a sporting competition… all the teams should compete fairly based on skill not by exploiting unfair macroeconomic conditions.

  73. 73 Zef
    January 30, 2009 at 18:38

    Here in the USA each “state” is its own NATION! “United”. It doesn’t matter if you are from New Jersey, or Texas, you can work ANYWHERE in the USA.

    The EU is not so much different. The laws that bind the UK, Spain, France, Germany and ALL other EU nations, are very much the same that bind our US states.

    The EU can NOT try to build its self into a global economic and diplomatic super power, and yet, scream against the “Union” when its not “your own nations workers” getting the jobs.

    Here in the US we believe “Failure is for quitters”. You try hard, never give up, and you will achieve. Any other mindset, is pointless given these new economic realities.

    Brother England, I sympathize, but rise up and prove your workers better then ALL others! Accept Failure Never!

  74. 74 Andrew
    January 30, 2009 at 18:39

    This isn’t about nation versus nation, nor developed versus developing.

    It’s a CLASS issue. The higher you go up the social ladder, globalization benefits them–their purchasing power increases exponentially as they can get cheaper employees.

    But if you’re poorly educated and lack the skills in the new economy, whether in the developed or developing world, you stand to lose in the real world where globalization is INEVITABLE.

    It’s CLASS.

  75. 75 Linda
    January 30, 2009 at 18:39

    Dear World have your say,
    I am curious to know why this French company did not check out the English workers capabilities first, or did they?

  76. 76 Kacey Kelley
    January 30, 2009 at 18:40

    Here in the state, as I’m sure occurs elsewhere, foreign workers are paid under the table without paying taxes to support the infrastructure they use. If they do pay taxes then they have as much right to the job as anyone.

    Kacey Kelley

    Alabama USA

  77. 77 Scott Emick
    January 30, 2009 at 18:40

    I buy locally everything possible as it is the best policy for the environment and enhancing the local economy. I live in Euclid, Ohio and recently bought two cars – the cobalt made in Lordstown, Ohio. Not only did I get two excellently engineered cars that average 35 mpg on the freeway (they are the XFE model), but I have put money directly back into the local economy here in Northeast Ohio. I try to buy my groceries from local stores like Marc’s and Dave’s that are Ohio bases companies. I no longer buy as much out of season produce which must be imported. I don’t believe in forcing local workers to be used, but giving incentives for buying local and hiring local. For some reason positive reinforcement always seems to work better on people that negative.

    The root of the problem with most Americans is pure greed. The buyer wants the cheapest product or the fanciest one that can only be had from another country. The buyer is only thinking of himself or herself.

    To fix the root of the problem requires changing people’s values and this should be encouraged.

    Scott

  78. 78 ian turrell
    January 30, 2009 at 18:40

    I come from Lincolnshire, Gainsborough to be exact. I work near Rome, and for most of the past several years I have worked in Italy at several locations. As it happens I’m also a contractor.

    I really cannot express my disappointment at what I see going on in the Uk regarding this dispute. I just hope that I, and other British contractors here in Italy, don’t become the focus of a similar dispute here in Italy, even though the same dire recessionary circumstances are all too evident here. Life is very difficult just trying to make ends meet, and I’m sure those Italians in Lincolnshire are very ordinary people, just trying to get by out of necessity, rather than by choice.

  79. 79 Andrew Robinson
    January 30, 2009 at 18:41

    Denial of foreign workers in the UK is in the current climate entirely justified.

    What should be noted is that Italy is the country that refused to allow foreign countries to buy/take over their electical companies, banks and airlines. If they had employed a British company with British workers to the exclusion of Italians there would have been an uproar, especially from the Mafia who would want part of the action.

  80. 80 Barbara Jones
    January 30, 2009 at 18:41

    Ros you are missing the point.
    As I understand it, the British workers are objecting to not being able to APPLY for the jobs at the refinery.
    The French oil company have sub-contracted the work to an Italian company, which under European law they are entitled to do. But the Italian company are refusing to employ British workers. Only Italian workers.
    Under these conditions the British workers are entitled to complain, don’t you think.

  81. January 30, 2009 at 18:42

    Yes British oil workers have the right to demand local contracts. Boiler-plate designs are usually not the most effective as they aren’t tailored to the local environment. Foreign workers generally haven’t the site-specific knowledge to improve projects or the power to resist management ploys to cut corners in IMPLEMENTATION.
    (A former refinery engineer.).

  82. January 30, 2009 at 18:42

    I wonder if it’s not so much that Americans want or prefer Chinese products, but that the choice isn’t often given to us. Go into most stores that most people shop in – Target, WalMart, KMart, Best Buy, Old Navy, etc. (and in some cases, these stores are our only choice if we want to be able to walk into the store, as opposed to shopping online) – and that’s all there is. I know of very few products from very few mainstream stores (stores that would be found in a mall) that are American-made. I make many of my two sons’ toys & clothes, but not everyone has the time or ability or desire to do that.

  83. 83 Tracey Berg-Fulton
    January 30, 2009 at 18:42

    I just caught your programme on the way home. I am an American who has just earned a postgraduate qualification in Scotland, but has just moved back to America to marry an American. My dearest desire is to return to the UK to work in the museum and cultural fields. I also studied in Northern Ireland as an undergraduate, and loved the education and experience I received there as well. As I am filling out applications, I am always debating my odds of receiving a position against British workers, foreigners living in Britain with visas, and people like myself. As a person with a non-EU passport, I fear the hurdles tend to be set slightly higher, which is a shame I feel. While I had a valid visa, I did work in various levels of employment, and volunteered my time in cultural institutions in addition to my studies. If hope that some of this makes some difference, as it is hard to communicate my desire to contribute my knowledge, skills and training to the UK, a country I’ve come to love deeply, and one I’d like to make home. It isn’t my desire to take a job from a British person, only to receive employment as the one best suited for the position.

  84. 84 BR
    January 30, 2009 at 18:43

    I was in Antigua once and listened to the prime minister berate his fellow Anitguans on television for complaining that Jamaicans were coming to Antigua and stealing Antiguan jobs. He said the jobs being done by Jamaicans were low paying janitorial jobs and went unfilled by Antiguans for months. He said that to make the jobs higher paying, he would have to raise taxes. He told his people you couldn’t have it both ways.

    The brutal honesty from a politician directly speaking to the hypocrisy of his people was very refreshing. And I would say that many people who insist on local jobs for local people are hypocrites, since they would complain about cost or taxes otherwise.

  85. January 30, 2009 at 18:43

    Hi there, i think that everyone lives let me quote “under the same sky”, this means that everyone should be able regardless of Race, Colour and Culture be able to work where ever they can. and i do not support any form of racists, i mean if you think of it, people from other countries have diffrent skills, and we need all kinds of skills in the world, i mean australia needs skilled workers.

    Mr Aw. Kward

    Eastwood Nottinghamshire

  86. 86 Tom D Ford
    January 30, 2009 at 18:45

    If it is a government contract the taxpayer citizens should be the first to be offered the jobs.

    It would be ridiculous for me to pay taxes for projects that hurt my fellow citizens.

  87. 87 fedeagua
    January 30, 2009 at 18:47

    Very complex, but first, what is a local? and how do you avoid discrimination. Do you have to be born there, how long living there does make a local???? big questions

  88. 88 sayuri
    January 30, 2009 at 18:48

    I live in Portland, OR, and I went through almost 1.5 years waiting for the process of getting Green Card, which would give me permission to work without any restrictions. When you term the word “local” people, what do you mean by that? Since I still have a japanese passport, does that mean that I may have a difficult time finding a job when the new government decides to prioritize “local” people???

  89. 89 kate
    January 30, 2009 at 18:49

    The problem is actually, “I’m angry because you have a job and I don’t.” Beyond that, it is just finding an excuse for your anger.

  90. 90 Saut, Indonesia
    January 30, 2009 at 18:49

    Is it obvious that locals should have priority in any job vacancy, anything less means that country’s nationalistic pride is going down. No government is so hypocritical as to summon nationalistic fervour in whatever it does but fail to ensure that jobs go to their citizens in an economic crisis. Europe’s experience with the rise in Nazism in Germany prior to WW2 is a good example.

  91. 91 Peter
    January 30, 2009 at 18:49

    I from Singapore where all male citizens must serve in the military up to the age of 35 – 45. In times of war we are expected to risk our lives for the country. Yet our jobs are offered to foreigners . Do you think this is fair. They laugh at us because there is no benefit being a citizen . I spoke to a so call Global Indian working here who condenm our schools as inferior to that of India. Yet she is willing to work here and thumb her nose at our country whose living standard exceeds that of+India.

  92. January 30, 2009 at 18:50

    I think UK Workers should just suck it up. Don’t forget they can work anywhere in the EU. Should other EU countries be upset at UK workers.

  93. 93 Gimia in Pittsburgh, PA
    January 30, 2009 at 18:51

    Oh dear oh dear; there we go again!
    The West is all-over the place,
    Shoving the “goal post” as always to their advantage.
    No surprise, yes no surprise at all!
    The powerful, as always, eat their cake and have it.
    You proclaim Globalization, free market economy,
    Yes, even pay for the protection of the Amazon forest
    While you go on polluting the world.
    Well, what can the poor one do?
    But “cow wae nor get tail, na God go dreban fly”! (Creole proverb from Sierra Leone)

  94. 94 Mike
    January 30, 2009 at 18:52

    Many angry, ill informed people here. Globalization is good, it helps increase the quality of yours and many peoples lives. The key is to keep the pace of globalization equal to what your country can tolerate. Same with the use of qualified foreign workers. Its good for everybody concerned and should be calibrated to suite each countries ability to compete.

  95. 95 Paul
    January 30, 2009 at 18:52

    The notion of locals is very fluid and fading fast. More and more people are of multiple nationalities and many, many companies have only symbolic allegiances to a nation. Certainly capital has no natioanl allegiance. Any efforts to protect economies on a basis of nationalism is naive because business can go where ever it is best served. One of the outcomes of the globalism era is that many companies and people are global citizens. Dropping back to protecting borders is not going to be a solution. What is interesting though is that high fuel prices actually promote localized production and expand demand for labor due to decreased efficiencies in transport. It seems like you could argue that a short term solution would be to tax oil for transport in order to raise public revenues and encourage local production and BONUS! help the environment.
    Paul

  96. January 30, 2009 at 18:53

    I don’t agree with Jennifer, people WOULD take McDonald’s jobs if they could get hired. During the last recession here in America my husband delivered pizzas, was a custodian at a Costco and was a paid Youth Pastor all at the same time, while I did child care from our home. We are both educated adults.

    My daughter however had to fight tooth and nail to get her job at Burger King this year and 90% of her coworkers are Hispanics with no green card. So they work for less money.

    It is frustrating.

    ~K

  97. 97 Pat: Portland,OR
    January 30, 2009 at 18:55

    Free trade should be positive, the problem is we are not realistic about its negative impacts. We need to realize that if we want to export millions of jobs, we must have a plan to replace those jobs. Up to now the plan has been the provate sector driven service economy, but this is not reasonable. We can not sustain an economy where we all make a living selling each other houses and giving each other expensive massages.
    The governmen must play an actove role in replacing the jobs by creating grand visions like Kennedy did in taking us to the moon. The government must continually be creating the foundations for new industries – I never found a valid example of the private sector creating a new industry – all new industrires are created by massive governemt sending . The private sector is only able to mature stable industries. THE INTERNET IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE of this… the governemt created it and prviate industry matured it.

  98. 98 Steve
    January 30, 2009 at 18:56

    What is “buy american”? Even american cars are made in Canada, with non American parts, in many cases. What do I buy besides some food products that is even made here? The US really doesn’t make things anymore. I remember in the 1980s there was the big “made in the USA” clothing campaign to get people to buy American made clothes. Now, in 2009, I honestly don’t remember the last time I have seen any clothing made in the US. The best I have seen is “Made in Guatemala from US materials”.

  99. January 30, 2009 at 18:56

    Of course it makes sense that governments should encourage local companies to hire local residents, but not by any means force them to do it by a legislation. It would simply be against the rules of a free market and may discourage investments at large.

    The worst in this direction is when, for example, groups like the new-Nazis here in Germany call for local jobs for German citizens excluding non-German residents in Germany.

    Samir
    Berlin – Germany

  100. 100 ian brown
    January 30, 2009 at 18:57

    There is NOT free movement of labour anywhere – in my experience. There is CONTROLLED movement of labour. I am currently working in Cairo, Egypt & the egyptian governement has no qualms in letting the “Hawagas” (foreigners) know we are here only on a temporary basis.

    Every managed economy in the world controls it’s foreign expatriate workforce.

    The supposed advantage of the EU is the freedom of movement of labour. We voted for a governement that joined on our behalf. These are the new rules of the game & we must learn to adapt or lose work.

    Rgds,

  101. 101 Amos, Nigeria
    January 30, 2009 at 19:00

    Making jobs available to locals ensures their empowerment and capacity building which helps to horn their skills and reduce prevalent poverty endemic in most developing countries.

  102. 102 Freddy Ucker
    January 30, 2009 at 19:00

    Your previous caller was a racist, talking about kicking people out, i mean we live under the same sky with sun and clouds

  103. 103 Phil Slocombe
    January 30, 2009 at 19:02

    We live in a world where global migration is a fact and businesses will always hire the cheapest labour. If local people demand wages which are uncompetitive then migrant workers will get the work. It all comes down to supply and demand. Protectionism is not the answer; people must become more realistic about the value of their labour in these very competitive times instead of moaning that migrants are getting the jobs…

  104. January 30, 2009 at 19:05

    In a “World Economy” we cannot be insular on workforce & greedy for cheap products. Most outsourcing is related to workforce costs, one must be willing to work for less or be willing to pay more money for locally made products. Outsourcing is also a two way street, in the US most customer service is outsourced to India, but on the other hand a lot of Japanese & German cars are produced in the US.

    I think a ruling of 50% local workforce is too high, though 25% would be OK. Unions were created to improve health care & safety, not to protect/create jobs.

  105. 105 Phil Slocombe
    January 30, 2009 at 19:07

    I have lived in a country(Oman) where local people were given preferential treatment over migrant workers and it was a disaster because the locals were generally lazy and nowhere as good as the migrant workers. We could not dismiss them.

  106. 106 Ruben
    January 30, 2009 at 19:09

    I came to Canada under a work permit and later on I immigrated under the skilled worker program. I am an Engineer and have worked here as Engineer since then.

    The reason for which some countries need workers is because the locals do not want to take the hard jobs. There is a very bad attitude towards working and unfortunately there is a lot of arrogance among some people. They think that they deserve everything just for the fact that are Canadians. I have seen the same attitude among people from the United States.

    Another problem is that Universities do not offer the programs for the jobs that the country needs. People with Bachelors in Arts need to get more education after finishing a dregree that does not help them to get a decent job.

    It is more complicated for immigrants to break through the job market because unfrtunately there is stil the thinking that if you do not speak perfect English or you have an accent you are not smart enough.

    As one of the listeners described during the show, a lot of the people I have worked with here in Canada do not want to work. They want to be managers and sit in fron of the computer all day long.

    I am from Mexico and there people work hard as in many other considered “poor” countries. A lot of the people from “rich” countries do not how to compete and they are afraid of foreigns and their skills.

    If a person has the knowledge and skills has the right to work anywhere in the world regardless of nationality.

    Thanks,

    Ruben

  107. 107 Alex J
    January 30, 2009 at 19:09

    Getting the extra or specialized work available in another country should be seen as a privilege and an opportunity, not a right. Employment is a key to the health and stability of a society. When do we look beyond the near-term convenience of completely globalized labor markets and decide to draw the line somewhere? When we’re all nomads, circulating around the world looking for work, but never quite belonging to a cohesive culture? With the likelihood of increased political and economic instability in the future, something like that scenario may become reality for many.

  108. 108 Zach
    January 30, 2009 at 19:10

    Made in USA? just about 90% of what we have in the USA are made in Mexico/China? Why? simply put “Greed” It’s all about the $$$. Loyal workers are disposable. This is sad, given that millions are out of work. The one at the top is thinking about his/her pocket. Outsourcing brings in extra $$$ but quality is nothing. And how much are they saving by outsourcing? Buy ‘Made in America’! I would but I’m questiong if it’s just a rebranding and this all depends on what I’m buying.

    If a particular factory that provides jobs to millions are based in the USA is relocating/outsourcing (Mexico/China) ; loyal employees are SOL – Let’s not support their product!

    It’s greed, exploitation –

  109. January 30, 2009 at 19:11

    Mr Kward,

    When everybody pays the same tax rate, medical costs, energy requirments, educational costs, same for food and pudding cost, enviormental and safty costs, and the same housing cost, then we can accuatly say “we live under one sky”. (and when i say cost, i mean hours of labor.) We don’t fit that description in every region here in the states, let alone world wide.

    I do think it is funny how people would boycott, petition, and riot if their back yard contained a factory that spilt toxins into their drinking water, poluted their air, forced 6 yr olds to wor 14 hour days, and had a casuality a week. However, we think nothing of going to Wal-Mart and buying a bicycle made under those exact condidtions.

  110. 110 Milton Babb
    January 30, 2009 at 19:14

    When considering causal relationships in socio economic difficulties use a RULE : international banking drives all political decisions to cause deep divisions in all nations in order to drive them to war among themselves or some fruitless effort so the international banks can loan money (often secretly) to any willing waring faction with the promise that the agressor will assume and pay the debts of the “LOSER A promise of wealth, even a lie, is a powerful lure to any person engaged in a nations affairs. International Banking intervention into any Nation should be outlawed by that Nation.

  111. 111 Milton Babb
    January 30, 2009 at 19:27

    Never allow private banks to control the issue of your currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless. Tom Jefferson 1802

  112. 112 Milton Babb
    January 30, 2009 at 19:32

    Following a strong deflation, ( to increase the purchasing power of a nations money) a buying frensy of treasured farm land and national forests by both nationals and foriegners will start. Hatred, anger then war will folow.

  113. 113 gbessay paasewe
    January 30, 2009 at 19:52

    The world leaders gethers to talk about the worlds enconomy,I just want to remind them that the biggest corner stones of heailthy enconomy is peace.if people have peace in the world every nations will manage to survive with their own economy.Their will be no Refugees crisis in the world that the world
    leaders will be thinking to feed,shelters,sending their children to schools or buildinding hospital for.Even though they will help poor countries but that will not distroy their enconomies.

  114. 114 robin burke
    January 30, 2009 at 20:41

    Hello, Great show & great contributions by the people who wrote in. Unfortunately, self preservation & mob rule will always rule in times of panic. It would be terrible if people & then politicians let this go to far, ie. violence towards foreigners & worse yet, potential state economic war leading to actual armed conflict. That might sound like a big leap but world war 1 & 2 were preceeded by economic conditions that led to extreme political parties that promised to cure the nations economy & unemployment by blaming external factors & minority peoples.
    I only hope the Russian/Georgian summer conflict & the Russian gas pipeline strangulation is not a sign of more to come. We, as people, have the power to stop this now, before it gets out of control, before its too late.

  115. 115 Syed Hasan Turab
    January 30, 2009 at 21:17

    After communisam crack down, capitalist economies specially corporate’s start behaving like unleached blood hounds.
    I think any economic system may not balance himself with out competation & multipal choices, EU & USA economies are victom of Corporates, even Government’s are scared to crack them down.
    Instead of bail them out let them commit sucide & close all possible opening’s for them to come back in the business nationally & internationally, on the other hand legal structure & reforms been made for future economic structure.

  116. 116 viola
    January 30, 2009 at 22:35

    Sure. Pass a law that only full-fledged single- country citizens can get a job in your country. If they try, both they and their employers get prosecuted and sent to jail. Then pass a law that no single- country citizen in your country can go to another country to get a better paying job. Only citizens can vote, right? So vote someone into power who feels as you do.

    P.S. Rule of life: Ya gotta take the bitter with the better.

  117. 117 viola
    January 30, 2009 at 22:44

    If you can figure out how to deny citizens with dual citizenship the vote, your power to force employers to hire only locals would increase tremendously.

    This principle can seep down to the smallest hamlet, starting from the world, then country, then state or province, then county, then town, then village, then family where favored children would get “the jobs” for which they will receive room and board and the others would be forced to go someplace and beg.

  118. 118 Maureen
    January 31, 2009 at 00:14

    I worked for Chase Bank for 16 years. One of the things that created a tremendous amount of hatred towards immigrants was that big white collar companies would actually bring white collar workers from other countries through consulting companies for half the price they were paying their current employees (immigrant or American born). We were actually told not to complain about cutting back our benefits because they could pay half or even less to people from other countries. I think the hatred for immigrants is way out of bounds. The hatred should be reserved for the fat cats at the top who have sucked the life out of our economy. By the way the immigrants brought (and given green cards by the consulting companies) didn’t fair very well either as their visas were only temporary and most of them were let go with no jobs and no legal status in a country where they endure terrible, non deserved prejudice. Globalization has been terrible for all of us all over the world. We need to produce our own products so that the jobs stay here and we have health care and pensions (most of us don’t have that.) The Chinese need to be paid what they are worth so they can buy their own products. Absolutely the jobs should go to those living in the area especially in this awful economy.

    One writer wrote that the jobs would just go to young people if they didn’t go to immigrants. What’s wrong with that? It used to be that our children got out of high school and learned what it meant to work by working low paying jobs. If you worked for the forestry department you could make a career out of it and that was a government job with great benefits. Now they call this job a “seasonal job” and import Mexicans, keeping them in substandard housing a la John Steinbeck while we pay them poverty wages and send them home in the winter, often treating them like slaves.

  119. 119 Sid
    January 31, 2009 at 01:55

    The English soccer team was a great example. Good foreign players = Healthy competition = Better local candidates = Better team. Its an ecosystem that fits in very well in to pro-Globalization argument .

    I have my Masters degree in engineering from Univ of Colorado and was working in a hi-tech wireless company for ~ 4 yrs before being let go.

    At this point I am finding it very difficult to find a job despite the fact that I possess skill set that is not very common.
    One significant reason which has made this search more difficult is my visa status. Recruiters do not shy away from saying “Company prefers US citizens”. Why? Because visa sponsorship is an added expense. So there you go, the US Govt does implicitly ‘regulate’ the number of employed foreign workers. I admit it is arguable if a minimum level of regulation is required but am quite convinced that further regulations will hurt US and global economy / innovations than do good.

    A special note: I heard one caller talked about ‘kicking’ foreign workers and Ros sounded appalled by the use of the word! But guess what: a foreign worker on a legal work visa in the US when laid off is officially granted NO time to look for another opportunity and is expected to fly back to his / her home country on an immediate basis.

  120. 120 Peter
    January 31, 2009 at 04:55

    Sometimes I wish people would stay home and vote in or revolt for a better government instead of being a burden to another country. They can help your country by investing in your country if your people stop fighting among yourselves and your government is not corrupt. Empower yourself and your community. Someone asked me why we complian so much when he thinks our government is so good. Our complains matters i e why they are good. I made my sacrifices to make our land a good place to stay . Stay home.

  121. January 31, 2009 at 09:58

    This slogan is not fit for globalized economy.Locally available man power will be cheaper if available and they will get preference.

  122. 122 Emile Barre
    January 31, 2009 at 14:49

    If Globalisation is to mean anything in the jobs market it must be that everyone on the planet has the inalienable right to seek a job on equal terms with their co-citizens and be paid the rate for the job that everyone else gets in whatever country the job is situated. Joe-Shmo jobs for Joe-SHmo workers is a demand to be binned.

  123. 123 Janet
    January 31, 2009 at 15:34

    I live in a Florida farming community, and I’m pretty comfortable asserting that the people complaining about “Mexicans taking their jobs” aren’t standing in line to do the jobs the Mexicans are doing – at any wage. Moreover, a lot of these “Mexicans” are in actuality American citizens and have every right to the job.

  124. January 31, 2009 at 22:13

    Whats sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander.

  125. 125 Bert
    January 31, 2009 at 22:17

    In a global economy, locals compete with everyone else for local jobs, AND for jobs overseas. It’s not something governments created. It’s something that more efficient transportation and better communications have permitted to occur, over the years. So yes, business takes advantage of this.

    The effect on rich nations is to throttle back the standard of living, or at least, keep it from increasing so fast. The effect on poor nations is to increase their standard of living. Or at least, that’s what the effects would be, if hopelessly corrupt governments didn’t meddle all the time.

    In principle, for example, locals would get local jobs more readily if they accepted pay that was more in line with what immigrants accept. If this trend were widespread, the local economy would indeed be throttled back, however it would not have to result in massive unemployment. So it would be self-sustainable, in a global environment.

    That’s not all bad. Consider, for example, where the housing market in the US was going. It was totally out of control. It was difficult to find new homes with less than 4000 sq ft of floor space, and often close to twice that much. What makes anyone think that was a trend that could, or even should, have continued? Something had to put the brakes on that uncontrolled self-indulgence, and sure enough, something did.

  126. 126 Jeff Minter
    February 1, 2009 at 01:47

    I don’t see why the protestors were up in arms the past few days – we have been working towards a United States of Europe for a few decades now, and Italy to us is like Florida is to Oregon. Other than the language barrier, of course.

  127. 127 S.A.Gerard
    February 2, 2009 at 08:19

    What,s new?
    Then.
    During the French revolution the people were short of bread.
    And the Queen, Marie Antoinette said ” Let them eat cake ”
    Soon they cut her head off.

    Now.
    U.K. workers who need work were excluded from applying in favour of foreigners.
    And Lord Mandelson said “let them work in Europe”.
    Soon he lost his job.

    Steve G

  128. 128 David
    February 2, 2009 at 15:50

    This is absolutely demagogic. There are tens of thousands of UK contractors, and hundreds of UK companies, all over the world. Should they leave their jobs in foreign countries and go back to Britain? Will they demonstrate in the streets too?

    What needs to be guaranteed is:
    1) that they are legally working in UK,
    2) that the working conditions, including pay, are the same as local industrial standards (i.e. the infamous Bolkenstein directive).

    This is in fact what the EU regulations stand for.

    Moreover, this is Europe: a unique market with no barriers. This freedom allows to allocate more efficiently resources to industrial activities. This efficieny translate to profits for the companies and benefits for the society and the workers.

    Demonstrator might not be able to look at the whole picture, but politicians should, if they enter in a spiral of job protectionism, the crisis will be much worse for much families.

  129. 129 Ricardo
    February 2, 2009 at 16:19

    The question, or rather what´s athe heart of it, exposes the hypocrasy of human nature. What is proctectionism about? It is about first caring for oneself . We in our community need food, therefore subsidize it. We need a good lifestyle and work, therefore strict immigration policy. But don´t we hear occassionally from these countries: It´s one world, we are all intertwined, we have to save the planet to survive? Of course. Because the well being of these protectinist countries is at stake; that´s why we are one family. But not if it comes to job opportunities. Sorry, first us. Oh, and lest I forget another hypocrasy that exposes the selfish attitude. Foreign labour: no. But can you please allow our (foreign) products in your market?! What if those countries denied access to foreign products, on the grounds of no foreign products please? Those countries denying access to foreign labour would cry out loudly.

  130. 130 Archibald in Oregon
    February 2, 2009 at 16:34

    It is hard to create jobs from thin air and if manufacture is down, with the economy on the skids and so many more eager to work at their regular standard of pay, something has to give. If companies were actually interested in helping get people off the dole and re-tool the fragile economy, before they were concerned with their profit margins or lack their of, the jobs would be going to locals.
    How much consumer crap do we have to manufacture before we realize that our resources and willingness to work are being wasted on the short term profit schemes of those who truly could care less whether you work or die? Until the corporate entities of the world see their importance in civilization not from the ego “I” perspective, any chances of improvement to this ailing system seem daunting at best. Expectations have been so high that no one can accept where we are headed.
    The only way forward, as I see it, is to go back to an economy that everyone can participate in, from the grass roots level, eliminate the gluttony that forces everyday people to have to go begging for work, when they could be farming and/or creating practical, local, usable goods, sustaining themselves, their families and employing their neighbors down the street……….Let the corporations foot the bill for this evolution, since they are the ones who drove us into this dead end tunnel to begin with.

  131. 131 David Ancel (Oregon)
    February 2, 2009 at 17:13

    I might have added that the fellow with the book might rightly have been called out for corporate schilling. “Buy American” is nothing new. Lee Iacocca was the first I remember in my lifetime. Five years later, you couldn’t find a ‘K’ car on the road, and even cheaper cars and layoffs and marginalization of unions was to follow.

    ‘Buying American’ works if,

    A: One can even find a made in America manufactured good, and b: One can be assured that the product was made by a manufacturer that pays a living wage, health insurance, etc–‘foreign’ worker or no.

    Corporations would seek to skirt the laws of economics by appealing to nationalism and jingoistic rhetoric–to create an ‘artificial’ demand. Said demand having naturally dried up, due in large part to their own cost cutting on living wage jobs and benefits.

    What would really work is a government agency to rate and score a company on its living wage jobs, benefits, tax compliance, philanthropy, environmental record, etc. Then American consumers would buy American to a healthy end, and government would have a benchmark upon which to offer stimulus. Only then will a real bottom-up stimulus and demand actually work to stimulate growth and a healthy economy–not just a corporate subsidy on the backs of anyone sporting an American flag on their car–they usually aren’t the brightest. Same ones that support our schools through state-sponsored games of chance.

  132. 132 kpelly hezekiah
    February 2, 2009 at 17:48

    the truth, no matter how hard you try, cannot be hidden. Let the music play on.

  133. 133 kpelly hezekiah
    February 2, 2009 at 18:09

    when the US couldn’t contain the lie of ‘economic growth’ anymore and decided to face the truth I thought they would come out with the whole truth but they didn’t. I’ve grown to see that there is no power/scheme that can overcome truth I personally wanted to bring out certain facts about the global economic problem but I’ve seen that events are playing themselves out naturally. And I know that as surely as the LORD lives, we shall get there. I just hope the ‘developed countries’ leaders will stop their cosmetic approach and come out with the truth. Jesus said it wasn’t good to give the children’s food to outsiders but he conceeded that such people deserve the crumbs that fall under the table if only they are willing to eat them. I hope political leaders, especially those in africa, are beginning to wake up to the reality that exist in the espect of human life that is called ECONOMICS. God bless us all.

  134. 134 kpelly hezekiah
    February 2, 2009 at 18:24

    abdelilah in morocco. You’ve got it all wrong. the truth is that the ‘developed countries’ rather depend on the ‘developing countries’ but through all sorts of means eg. propaganda, threats, robbery has push themselves to the perceptive point of being ‘economic lords’ which they definately are not and have arrogantly allocated to themselves the power to determine the economic fate of ‘developing countries’ . As far as I am concern, the chicken are coming to roost.

  135. 135 kpelly hezekiah
    February 2, 2009 at 18:36

    the reality is that mr. brown need not have said what he said. Everybody knows that this is what is going to happen and he cannot stop it from happening. the ‘global economists’ must start revising their theories.

  136. 136 Sal
    February 3, 2009 at 00:20

    Extreme selfishness and arrogance of so-called developed countries brought us to the crisis, and it seems like it will go further.
    If I a were a British, I would be aware of being selfish from now on, because time and conditions are changing, tomorrow you guys may ask for a job somewhere out of GREAT Britain.

  137. 137 David Ancel (Oregon)
    February 3, 2009 at 02:59

    With all due respect to your faith,

    “Die Religion ist das Opium des Volkes”.

    Of course, today methamphetamine is a better metaphor. The clash of religions we see today is exactly what the ‘overlord’ class needs to distract us from the real issues of social and economic justice around the world. Indeed the fear of Islam fostered by the Bush administration is precisely what enabled the current economic crisis. While the world was distracted by religious conflict, the financial and regulatory systems were gamed.

    Money was, and always has been their god. Its not new of course, the whole ‘duck&cover’ hysteria of the cold war enabled billions to be made in the American arms industry at the cost of untold misery in the third world. You can’t expect to meet this immorality with religious righteousness. It is a false choice, offered to yoiu by the very overlords themselves. You need to meet it (ie injustice and evil)with a secular righteousness, one that recognizes a shell game and a hand-fake. Yes, be righteous. But keep your eye on the ball. Faith only encourages you to believe what you can’t see…and then what are you? Blind.

  138. 138 Puck 101
    February 3, 2009 at 12:49

    To the all-knowing Censors —- What’s the matter, a little too much truth in my comment.?… Are you like all the politiciians, afraid of the truth, because you’re afraid , like they, that you’ll get some backlash ? I’m pretty much convinced that this is the reason you didn’t print my comment, so at least let me know the reason… Digusted in Sussex, USA ,, Puck 101

  139. 139 William Flynn
    February 5, 2009 at 08:07

    Disband the EU, incrementaly bring in protectionism, and only import what you cannot make or grow!


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