Do you still think Obama was the wrong choice?

Those of you who came on yesterday’s show or blog post and said the Democracts picked the wrong candidate, did his speech change your mind?

72 Responses to “Do you still think Obama was the wrong choice?”

  1. August 29, 2008 at 12:06

    @ Ros.
    Barack Obama did not let down his audience. It is just about time that the critics face the fact that he is a phenemonon and a force to reckon. I personal think that the speech clearly accentuates Obama’s readiness for the job at hand.

  2. 2 Sunil K
    August 29, 2008 at 12:15

    There is no point putting Obama aside .He has got the ability to lead the US and people should start accepting that he is going to be a great leader in America’s history.

  3. 3 Lubna
    August 29, 2008 at 12:17

    Hey my Precious Ros… Well, as a human being I say : OBAMA ROCKS !!! And as an Iraqi citizen I say : DOWN TO BOTH OBAMA AND MCCAIN !! With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

  4. August 29, 2008 at 12:25

    Again, the people chose him. The wrong choice would have been to go against the majority and disenfranchise voters to chose the ‘right person’. Besides, who else did they have? Hillary? Considering the options, I’ll follow the rest of the sheep on this one and go with Obama as the lesser of the evils.

  5. August 29, 2008 at 12:37

    Was that an American Flag pin on his lapel?

    …..Sellout…. lol

  6. 6 Julie P
    August 29, 2008 at 12:50

    Obama made an excellent speech last night that was long overdue. Linking McCain with the failed policies of Bush was the right thing to do, and ending the speech by challenging McCain was perfect. I look forward to the debates.

  7. 7 umoh. amos
    August 29, 2008 at 12:52

    Hi ROS,
    I agree completely with the comment posted on the blog earlier. the young man is HEAVEN SENT.

    How could Obama be the wrong choice? How could he?? My friends up there in the states, get ready the very days of J. F. KENNEDY are here. A revolution is in the making and I cant wait…

  8. 8 Paul
    August 29, 2008 at 13:09

    I think he’s good, at least we will lost sight of this terrible Bush. He’s throwing the world into an awful turmoil, and he has no diplomacy whatsoever. He’s a Bully.
    They don’t know how to fight terrorism without blasting the so blessed law State
    and now, What’s all this mess again?

  9. August 29, 2008 at 13:09

    He is the wright Choice.His speech was Great to listen to.Ros and Wondering wether or not this “is avery good question to ask”…We In Kenya feel ‘been discriminated against by WHYS’for putting up a blog that as a very irrevelant question-of course it’s a guarantee obama will be the First Black American President.
    My Precious Ros,please come up with a more neutral point of view..Yours truly African Friend -Abdi the Legend…………

  10. 10 Dan
    August 29, 2008 at 13:16

    He made an excellent speech with great hope although little substance. One would think that after 2 years of campaigning Obama would tell us what programs he will propose to Congress and exactly how he will pay for each, what he will do to contain the Russians, fight al-Qeada, clean up Afghanistan and leave Iraq so that the Iraqi’s can continue to kill each other without the US trying to stop them.
    I cannot wait until the debates and townhall meetings.
    What is disturbing are the comments from Africa lauding Obama as a Black man. The greatness of America is that Obama is a man that happens to be black. I wonder if they understand the difference?

  11. 11 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 13:19

    He singled out the AK-47, like a typical far left loon does. It differs in no way than any other semi auto rifle other than the way it looks. So by liberal logic, if you don’t like the way something looks, it needs to be banned. Please distinguish an AK-47 from any other semi auto rifle of any centerfire catridge other than physical appearance.

    Stupid platforms and comments, such as that, is what makes liberals unelectable in general elections. Also his two minutes of “yes, thank you, yes thank you” was disgusting narcissism.

  12. August 29, 2008 at 13:36

    I don’t think so. He chose perfect man. His candidacy would be stronger then before. Good luck Mr. Obama!

  13. August 29, 2008 at 13:41

    I fisked Sen. Obama’s speech here:


    He hinted that he’d invade Pakistan, a US ally, to get bin Laden but that he’d negotiate with Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, and with Russia, an expansionist-minded nation.

    That doesn’t seem too bright to me.

  14. August 29, 2008 at 13:47

    @ Gary:
    He hinted at taking a strong arm stance against Iran and against “Russian aggression”… Or did I hear him incorrectly?

  15. 15 Christopher
    August 29, 2008 at 13:55

    Actually, I was hoping that his speech would electrify – but, alas, it did not. Too much spectacle, too much window dressing, too little substance. Even my gradeschooler, who’s assigned to watching the DNC and RNC for Government class, and thinks well of Obama, was let down. He said, quote, “Well, dad, I like Obama, and his wife and his kids, and as a person he seems like a really nice guy – but he just spent 20 minutes saying thank you, how bad the current administration is, and that McCain is just like the rest of them, but never said what makes him different, or what he can do to make things better.” I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    If ever Obama needed to shine with more than pretty rhetoric, it was last night – and he didn’t, sad to say, even for a gradeschooler already in his camp.

  16. 16 Bob in Queensland
    August 29, 2008 at 13:59

    I thought he was a good choice before and I feel even more confident in that belief now.

    If elected I think he’ll go down in history as a good president. I’m happy to make this a wager of a drink or a pizza or something, though how we decide and how we arrange payment I have no idea!

  17. 17 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 14:06

    @ Bob

    I’m thinking Mccain is brilliant, and he’s going to pick Sarah Palin as his VP, which will get the ardent Hillary supporters to vote for him, so worst case scenario, there is a female VP for them, then in 2012, Hillary gets to run again.

  18. 18 Bob in Queensland
    August 29, 2008 at 14:32

    @ Steve

    First a point of detail: The AK-47 is actually capable of fully automatic, rapid fire operation.

    Second, Obama didn’t “single it out”. He simply used it as a metaphor for ALL assault-weapon type firearms that have no legitimate use for hunting or self defense and therefore shouldn’t be allowed in general circulation.

    I suspect you actually know exactly what he meant are are scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for things to be critical of. Your low opinion of Obama seems to be bordering on obsession and I’m curious as to the reasons behind this. Were you an ardent Clinton supporter or is there something else?

  19. 19 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 14:38

    @ Bob

    Not the legal ones that the liberals want to ban. “Assault” women is liberal code for weapons they don’t like the way they look, yet function no differently than any other semi automatic rifle. Please, tell me the difference between an “assault rifle” and a semi auto hunting rifle besides the way it looks? Are you telling me that a hunting rifle that is semi auto that use 7.62 nato is in any way different than a semi auto FN-FAL using 7.62 other than the way it looks? Both are semi auto… One looks like military, hence it must be banned because we don’t like the way it looks!

    This is why liberals lose middle america.

  20. 20 Bob in Queensland
    August 29, 2008 at 14:46

    A true AK 47 is an automatic weapon. I know. I’ve had them fired at me on several occasions. As I understand it, the ones downgraded to be legal in states with bans on automatic weapons can relatively cheaply be restored to fully automatic operation. This, to me, DOES make it different to a standard hunting rifle.

    Of course, I’m enough of a bleeding heart, trendy lefty liberal wacko that I don’t fully understand why “middle America” thinks they need an automatic assault weapon for self defence, but just call me a wacko.

  21. 21 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 14:54

    @ Bob

    That’s completely untrue. They are made to be semi auto and can’t be modified to be fully automatic. We don’t get former military weapons that get converted. We get AKs that were built to be semi automatic. Automatic weapons are illegal except in extreme situations that require all sorts of permits that virtually nobody can get.

    Bob, as you just said in your prior post, hunting. How would an AK-47 using a 7.62. x 39 round differ from a hunting semi auto using the same bullet other than the way the gun looks? Again, you want something banned for no other reason than it’s appearance. So wow, if it is made from wood and has carvings on it = good! But if it looks like a mean looking weapon that russians use, then it must be banned despite it functionally being exactly the same.

    Your entire premise is based on a faulty assumption, that you can convert semi auto rilfes, that were built to be semi auto, into fully automatic.

  22. August 29, 2008 at 15:06


    I didn’t get to listen to the show yesterday, but it sounds like a bunch of Obama naysayers were on? Why? How did the voices get unbalanced? And why go backwards in the conversation, second-guessing the will of the American people? Why not go forwards and ask, “Given his speech last night, can Obama beat McCain? Why or why not?” Or how about focusing on the historical significance of what’s happened? Is America ready for a black or mixed race president? It’s likely the people who are booing Obama aren’t even going to vote. Either they didn’t get their candidate or they’re voting for McCain anyway.

    Obama’s speech was amazing. And think about it: When in the history of America have we ever had a President who was a good orator but not a good leader? Oratory skills are extremely difficult to master. Oration is part of a classical education, and it takes a huge intellect to master it. We’ve got an astonishing brain up there as the Democratic hopeful. Are the naysayers in fact anti-intellectuals? Are people afraid of intelligence? I think so. That combined with the fact that he’s mixed race, I can understand why there’s a chunk of middle America that’s terrified of him. But that’s exactly what he’s trying to overcome by showing his family and connecting with people on a purely mundane level.

    I’m ready to talk about McCain. Is he more ready to lead? A guy who gets countries and historical facts confused? A man who is so alienated from the American middle class with his obscene wealth that he calls us a country of “whiners”? Please.

  23. 23 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 15:14

    @ Maria

    Nice, if someone doesn’t vote the way you want them to, they are “anti-intellectual”. So lets’s understand, if I don’t vote for Obama, I must be an idiot. Also I must be a racist. Got it.

    Actually, it was the Obama supporters on the show yesterday that couldn’t tolerate other people’s opinions and would cut them off and interrupt and acted like little children.

    “Is he more ready to lead? A guy who gets countries and historical facts confused? A man who is so alienated from the American middle class with his obscene wealth that he calls us a country of “whiners”? Please.”

    This speaks volumes right here. First, Obama said there were 57 states. Second, Mccain never said the US was a nation of whiners. Phil Gramm said it. Please don’t make false accusations.

  24. 24 Jayne
    August 29, 2008 at 15:18

    What’s all this about rifles, what has it to do with anything. I took it to mean all rifles, as did most people.

    They have got it right, he’s brilliant. I think he will be a President who will make a difference. Not only to America but to the world in a positive way, a role model for ALL the kids to look up to.

    I loved his speech. He is another J.F.Kennedy. I do hope he win’s.

    Obama and Biden a good team. As good as Hilary is it’s not her time yet.

    America make history, you wont regret it.

  25. 25 Freddie Singini
    August 29, 2008 at 15:25

    Obama is the right man for the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC.

    This 4th November, 2008 it is “YES WE CAN”.


    Obama is still the right man for the Job.

  26. 26 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 15:29

    I think it’s about official now that Palin is Mccain’s VP nominee. So this means the republicans will have a female VP candidate.

  27. 27 Laura in Minneapolis
    August 29, 2008 at 15:32

    I thought his speech was a good one. He touched on most, if not all, of the issues people care about, and focused the on the one we can all understand together: the economy. I know some people felt the speech was to vague, but if he had gone into too much detail they would have complained it was far to specific for a convention speech. If you want specifics, he happens to have written two very interesting books.

    That’s the thing with politicians, or anyone in the private eye for that matter. You can’t please everyone, and there will always be something you could’ve done better. For that reason I applaud Obama AND McCain, and their families, for having to live with this constant scrutiny.

    But i guess that’s part of the job description.

    Laura in Minneapolis

  28. August 29, 2008 at 15:35

    @ Lacking Substance

    What do the people who felt the speech was thin expect in a speech. Did you want him to pull out charts? Did you expect a slide show on the environment? Should he have generated links to the Bureau Of Labor Statistics and drone on about endless boring facts. Should he have given a speech that was more reminiscent of Allan Greenspan? These are people who first determined they wouldn’t like the speech, then determined its merit and not the other way around.

    @ Steve,

    That big long speech and the only
    thing you could criticize was the AK-47 remark. Can you please quote the paragraph that he stated that word in and summarize what point he was making? Would the point of the paragraph changed if he said a 301?

    @ invading Pakistan

    Our current leader promised, “Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.” We are still waiting. He later stated that “Bin Laden is not a priority.”

    There are state whio are worth talking to. Then there are cobbled propped up governments that pay lip service to whoever is keeping them in power, but continues with their own agenda in the background. To those states you can not expect results by talking to your own puppet.

    A speech can inspire only those who let it inspire them. Those who turn on the program with the though, “Let’s see what this idiot has to say.” will not be moved. Those people will focus on words or phrases out of context. In context it was a speech designed and given to the choir. They are at the DNC. There are not too many people there opposed to the democratic agenda. Obama covered his whole platform in 45 min. Any good republican was probably catching the season premier of “24” on FOX anyway. (Is that show still on?)

  29. August 29, 2008 at 15:36

    lol, me and my slydixia. I thopught at first Steve wrote “Plame” would be McCain’s VP. Now that might change my mind.

  30. 30 Lubna
    August 29, 2008 at 15:39

    Hi Precious Dan… Just to correct your informations on Iraq here, which seem too far from being true… Ordinary Iraqis like myself are NOT killing each other as you and other Precious WHYSers often like to state… Al Qaeda until very short period of time used to be so heavily involved in my Iraq (Thanks to the US led invasion of course ! :-), and it’s actually still involved till now… Bombed cars and suicide bombers are Al Qaeda made… As for the sectarian killings and kidnappings, those acts are committed by sectarian, outlawed criminal gangs whose members are intensely hated and despiced by ALL ordinary Iraqis regardless of which religious sect they belong to… I can tell you with complete confidence that ALL ordinary Iraqis do condemn strongly and firmly those criminal acts… But the problem is that those gangs are actually supported by our good neighbours, Iran, Syria, and the Wahabi regime in Saudi Arabia, which unfortunately continues to get the full support of the US government… I am practicing Muslim Shia, and I do have many close girlfriends at college whom I love the most, some of them are practicing Muslim Shias, others are practicing Muslim Sunnis, and others are practicing Christians… Dan, I do hope that you’re actually one of those people who are “knowledge seekers”, not of those people who believe that only their perspective is valid and counts… Bless you always… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…

  31. 31 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 15:39

    @ Dwight:

    “The — the reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than they are for those plagued by gang violence in Cleveland, but don’t tell me we can’t uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals.


  32. 32 Bob in Queensland
    August 29, 2008 at 15:40

    @ steve

    The true AK 47 is an automatic weapon. There is a semi automatic variant but THIS VIDEO was shot with that “down graded” model. If you want to use this for hunting, I don’t want to be a deer in your state.

    In any case, a good many of the AK47s in the USA are the fully automatic version, either downgraded (supposedly) or just there illegally. In many parts of the world it’s possible to buy them for around $50.

    But of course it’s lefty lunacy to want to control them.

  33. 33 Julie P
    August 29, 2008 at 15:43


    There are just no pleasing some people, some will be critical no matter what. There are always naysayers.

  34. 34 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 15:46

    Now it’s official, Palin was chosen by Mccain as his VP.


  35. 35 selena in Paris
    August 29, 2008 at 15:50

    Now that’s a clever move and will set the cat amongst the pigeons

  36. 36 Nick in USA
    August 29, 2008 at 15:56

    Sorry Steve, but Bob has you on this one. Any AK-47 can be converted. For that matter, so can any m16 with the .226. I have seen it done firsthand.

    Furthermore, I think the distinction with the AK-47 isn’t mechanical, but instead relates to the AK’s death toll.

  37. August 29, 2008 at 15:56

    Sounds to me like Obama is advocating states rights. A huge part of the NRA’s platform when it comes to gun laws. Sounds like there are different situations for varying environments and that each should be handled differently.

  38. 38 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 16:00

    Nick, I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. The legal AK-47s are made to be semi auto. Of course, if you really wanted to, you could make it full auto. Just like someone could convert a bolt action rifle into semi auto, if they took the time and got the parts to make it so. I could also stick a turbocharger on a toyota camry. But if you think it’s some simple, quick procedure, you are very wrong.

  39. 39 Bob in Queensland
    August 29, 2008 at 16:03

    Re: Sarah Palin

    Clever move by the Republicans. It’s going to be a good race!

  40. 40 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 16:05

    @ Bob

    That will get the most extreme Hillary Supporters. It will be a win-win for them. A female VP now, and Hillary gets to run again in 2012. Pretty smart move by Mccain.

  41. August 29, 2008 at 16:10

    lol, Wow tell me that isn’t a “stunt” if I had ever heard of one. Do people think they would have found a black republican to be the VP if Obama had lost?

  42. August 29, 2008 at 16:20

    I thought he was a good choice before and I feel even more confident in that belief now.

    Bob’s words – but I can’t put it better.

  43. 43 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 16:22

    @ Will

    With Palin, Obama is done like dinner. The hillary extremists will get a female VP, then a chance for hillary to run again in 4 years, rather than 8 years. Mccain is brilliant with this choice. Also, she’s pretty conservative, so that will placate the hardcore republicans, motivating them more than would a more liberal republican candidate. Very smart move, there will be inexperience accusations, but at least she’s only the VP candidate, not the president candidate..

    Obama is so finished now.

  44. 44 Jennifer
    August 29, 2008 at 16:23

    Yes, I still believe that Obama is the wrong choice for our country. I wanted him to say something that would make me feel confident in remaining true to my party but it was all just pretty words. What about experience? I think to myself…would I want someone performing surgery on me if they had no experience? No. The same logic for running the country should apply. At least he didn’t kiss Biden’s wife on the lips again though. Two times was enough.

    Even if Obama set the ball rolling with programs and etc. to help people like healthcare benefits and etc. (which are needed), we would have a new set of problems. Our economy is already so bad where would the funding come from? We are in a mess but I believe that there is still hope for America! The next president will just have alot of work to do.

  45. August 29, 2008 at 16:29

    Steve –

    I am sure you`ll enjoy voting for McCain, then. 🙂

  46. 46 Andre
    August 29, 2008 at 16:31

    Senator Obama speech was a masterclass the way it was delivered but its content was woeful and showed his his political savvy. He did address some of America’s most serious problems well but, in others, he clearly overstepped what is possible:

    1: Taxes: Middle class tax cut and elimination of small business and startup
    capital gains taxes [Everyone likes a tax cut – GOOD – ACHIEVABLE]

    2: 10 years to eliminate American oil dependence on the Middle East? (Is
    he serious? – without offshore drilling and no new nuclear plants?)

    “Clean Coal” is comparatively expensive – see two opinions about
    the cost of clean coal:


    3: Retooling the Auto industry – how: is he going to invalidate those
    contracts that cause the industry to have to pay for health care for retired
    workers? See what the United Auto Workers say about their benefits:

    There are other elements in the Obama acceptance speech that are suspect; you should read the full transcript and focus on the policy remarks:

    Ask yourself, where is the money to do all this coming from? Higher taxes (he says not); increased borrowing (perhaps) or massive cuts in defense and non-entitlement programs (hard to do when fighting two wars).

  47. 47 steve
    August 29, 2008 at 16:34

    Part of the brilliance of the Palin pick is that Obama is already out of the news, only 12 hours after his important speech! look at all the headlines!

  48. 48 Jennifer
    August 29, 2008 at 16:35

    @ Steve’s link

    Thank you for posting this. I am so SO SO SO happy. I am going to check her out and see what she’s all about.

  49. 49 Julie P
    August 29, 2008 at 16:48

    What I find interesting about McCain’s choice is the lack of response on the FOX webiste about her. Yesterday they were saying they are staying home in November; today they are so “thrilled” with his choice they can’t even be bothered to comment.

  50. August 29, 2008 at 17:01

    lol, Alright all those McCain supporters, What is Palidin’;s positions? Quick with out looking. Or is this just more pandering with out substance.

  51. August 29, 2008 at 17:04

    I really surprised at the way these questions are framed. Yesterday it was Did the Democrats pick the wrong person? today it’s Do you still think Obama was the wrong choice? For anyone trying to suggest that Obama could be a wrong choice under any guise is simply mischievious. He came through due process. I sincerely hope that WHYS would ask these same questions about McCain next work or …

  52. August 29, 2008 at 17:10

    @ Dwight ~ The Season finale of 24 is due some time next year.

  53. August 29, 2008 at 17:16

    Also, Can I hear from the people who said “Biden didn’t get many votes in the primary.” has to say about Paliden . for those who said “he picked somebody who was not like him to try to bridge the gap.” all of the complaints leveled against Obama for the Biden pick could be returend against McCain.

    I really think they aught to rename it the “GHP” “Grand Hypocritical Party.”

  54. 54 Jessica in NYC
    August 29, 2008 at 17:25

    @ Dwight in Cleveland

    LOL–you took my line. The GOP has always been the “Grand Hypocritical Party.”

    I could not be happier that McCain selected Sarah Palin as VP. She is an ardent anti-choice and not progressive on any women’s rights issues. Patin is a right wing nut that will never appeal to the majority of Clinton supporters.

    Palin has only a year and half experience as Governor of Alaska and last I read she was under state investigation. McCain is desperate to be seen as a maverick instead of the sidekick he is to Bush.

  55. 55 Scott (M)
    August 29, 2008 at 17:28

    Mr. Obama’s speech last night was a poor performance. I watched it three times and read the transcripts—it fell flat and didn’t have the vibrancy or poetry I expected. Either way it would not be a reason to pass a larger judgment on Mr. Obama from one night only. It could simply be nerves, a bad venue or a bad writer.

    I objected to Mr. Obama being the nominee because I think he took the fast track and it was a track of style over substance. I never objected to Mr. Obama on whether he could do the job. I am a lover of visionaries, but I don’t see Mr. Obama as visionary, I see him as someone the people want him to be. I think much of his success in this race is due to being in the right place at the right time. Mr. Obama is icon for some, but I don’t think he is an icon in his own right.

  56. August 29, 2008 at 17:30

    How could we possibly do worse than George Bush? I don’t want to drink beer with the President, I want him to stop tapping my phone, stop reading my emails, stop torturing people, get out of Iraq, catch bin Laden and stand up to an emboldened Russia.

    I don’t think Obama’s speech will change anyone’s mind who hates him, but don’t believe the polls, either. The Associated Press has been caught showing favor for McCain and the rest of the press has picked sides as well. Hence, polls function as a propaganda tool for Rupert Murdock and his ilk rather than a predictive metric to aid the media in understanding the popular will. This is the beginner’s rhetoric we would expect from a third-rate advertizing campaign: “four out of five people prefer our product.” Do people have eyes? How is it, exactly, that John McCain can’t give 10,000 tickets away for his acceptance speech at the RNC, Obama brought in 80,000 (and had to turn more away), AND YET, I’m supposed to believe polls that say the Presidential race is in a dead heat?

    In science, we call this an apparent sampling bias.

  57. August 29, 2008 at 17:36

    continuing on with the practice of firing people who don’t agree with you.

    “since the firing of former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, controversy has enveloped the Palin administration. Speculation over the incident has led many to the conclusion that the matter may be personal, and may involve the Palin family.

    Sources have suggested that Palin fired Monegan because the commissioner was unwilling to fire State Trooper Michael Wooten, the ex-husband of Palin’s sister. According to the governor, that is absolutely not the case.”

    AS I write this she is talking about how she stands up to corruption and the “good ole boy” network.

  58. 58 Vijay
    August 29, 2008 at 18:39

    Yes,he was the wrong choice and he will lose.
    It’s all about matchups H.Clinton beats McCain, McCain beats Obama, Obama beats H.Clinton(scissors, paper ,stone)
    The speech was nice, touched all the bases, covered all the main points nothing extraordinary .

  59. 59 Zelwe Mwanza
    August 29, 2008 at 18:40

    Its time to change world leaders and replace them with new generation Obama is the right man for america. Speeche inspires and changes peoples and gives hope of catching up or rediscover what you had lost

    Zelwe Mwanza

    +260 977 810088


  60. 60 Norman Richardson
    August 29, 2008 at 19:28

    Steve, as a former instructor of small arms at the infantry school in Ft Benning, GA. I can say you have enough knowledge to identify some weapons visually but the mechanism is a mystery that you are unable to cope with.

  61. 61 Shakhoor Rehman
    August 30, 2008 at 11:22

    It does not matter. The Democrats will win because 8 years of Bush is more than enough.

  62. 62 pressdownplease
    August 31, 2008 at 07:43

    right choice? elaborate on your definition of right and choice as well as wrong and choice? outline the paradigms and/or parameters that mark a qualification as right or wrong it terms of choice.

    was T Blair the right choice? what about G Browne and what about A Darling? Have not all of these gents so chosen by the Brits been a heap of bad choices from Northern Rock on down into the miasma of the marshes to Afghanistan with the burgeoning number of your citizen being no longer accounted for? And in perspective, any and everything that the FO has a hand in for you Brits becomes a nefarious trail of conflagation and blood for aeons. It does not matter if it is Sudan, Palestine, Diego Garcia/Chagos Islands, Falklands, India/Pakistan/Bangladesh, Burma, Hong Kong, Republic of South Africa, Zimbabwe, Kenya, need i go on…

    well, if it took a black man named moses [for you christians sorts] to herd a big boat of two by two to save your all from a big global calamity, i suppose it might take a whole council of maybe black and asians to save the planet from the nuclear decimation and environmental degradation created, composed and arranged and executively produced by the caucasians.

    but it all depends on how one ticks the box of choice if one ticks at all presuming their mental synapses are firing with common sense and not with race and class and historical prejudices… naw that is too good for this planet at this time…skip that last bit. please

  63. September 1, 2008 at 11:50

    The more Mr. Obama speaks, the more negative image about him grows in my mind.

  64. 64 Patou
    September 2, 2008 at 06:56


    Intellectually, Obama is wayyyyy above Palin. First, as a constitutional lawyer and professor, he does not need advices to uphold the constitution which seems to be out of reach to the current administration.

    Second, in matters of economics, he stands above John McCain who said it himself that economics is not his forte. Besides, he defines poor people as those with income above 5 million dollars; which makes most American people extremely poor.

    I was like many others, skeptical about Obama. Now, it think he is the man for the job.

  65. 65 Jennifer
    September 3, 2008 at 04:22

    @ Patou

    Short and sweet:

    Why are we comparing Obama and Palin instead of Obama and McCain? Aren’t they the Presidential candidates?


    Sarah Palin is an intelligent, confident, has no connections to politicians in Washington, and is willing to stand behind the things she think is right even if it’s not a “republican” view. I find her very genuine and I believe she will make an excellent VP. I am looking forward to seeing and hearing Sarah Palin speak as much as possible!

    Obama has NO executive experience. Tell me how would he fund all of the programs he wants to create with our economy? As a matter of fact, can anyone who supports Obama answer that question? We already have a failing economy! I do not see how that is possible.

  66. 66 Patou
    September 4, 2008 at 05:48


    Obama would use the same resources GWB has at his disposal to fund his proposals in addition to cutting the spending mess the republicans including John mcCain have put America into.

    Would you mind telling me how enriching the top 5% wealthiest Americans makes any economic sense in this crumbling and McCain-backed economy.


  67. 67 Patou
    September 4, 2008 at 05:59


    What was JFK executive experience? He put us on the moon. Moreover, what is John Mc Cain executive experience? McCain sided with GWB 95% of the time. It is not called leadership, it is called “followship”.

    As far as Palin is concerned, she is limited in scope. Dealing with Alaska isn’t dealing with 1/6th of LA. No diversity whatsover in Alaska. It is not the America of tomorrow. Moreover, it is not reflective of the increasingly diverse world we have out there. We are heading to a world where bullying will not get resources in America. The wrong foreign policy is already very detrimental to American interests abroad. Georgian miitary defeat tells us a lot already. It is not an extension of the Bush years through McCain that will cut it for America.

  68. 68 David
    September 9, 2008 at 04:16

    Who has thought Obama was the wrong chice?? Obama is the only choice sensible and intelligent people can make for American President. So people stope dreaming.
    The right choice and the only sensible choice has been made by the American people.

  69. 69 Jeff
    September 10, 2008 at 15:27

    I am troubled by much of this dialogue and the ascendancy of Obama’s candidacy. “Steve (M)” above noted with accuracy that Obama is not even the actual candidate- it’s the image that the media have created of him that is truly running in the election. There is so much media fiction created about the US culture in general, and Obama is no different. The media have created a fictional candidate to solve fictional problems, all in the context of simple-minded utopian ideals and a popular youth culture susceptible to these ideas. He has become the media’s mutli-cultural wonder, a symbol for all liberal ideals, beyond what Obama himself or any person could reasonably claim to represent. How is this?

    Beginning in the 1960s, but taken to extremes in the last two decades, the US media has been actively hyper-critical of its own nation, seeding ideas of self-hate in the culture and the illusion of a white, racist power structure (despite the passage of Civil Rights two generations ago and a slew of social programs aimed at leveling the playing field). And with the advent of CNN and other cable networks (e.g., BBC), these ideas are now sent to a global audience.

    Sadly, these ideas are irresponsibly slanted and utterly false in some cases, presented to appeal to emotions rather than reason, and almost always with morally righteous overtones. But as the target audience is and always has been youth (who almost by definiton are rebellious, suspicious of adults, and simply angry that they don’t have the power in society they would want), this lack of balance in reporting is mostly lost on them, and instead they quickly latch onto the idea that America is bad, the old people running it are bad, whites are bad, and that the cure is mutli-culturalism, the UN charter, and darker skin.

    Thus, Obama the candidate is a media creation, and has naturally become the candidate of choice for liberals, youth, and world audiences. Listening in on these posts, it’s amazing what they think he can achieve:

    * kinder/gentler foreign policy (despite the realities of oil security/politics and the greater reality of despot regimes around the world that America must contend with)
    * a cure for white, racist America (despite the fact that America is NOT a white racist nation, but is instead simply dominated by the culture of the majority of its citizens, which are 66% white)
    * greater respect and power for young people of non-white ethnicity everywhere in the world (despite the fact that Obama is running for American president, NOT world president, and the American president answers to the American people, particularly older tax paying citizens, and not discontented internet surfing youth who think the world and America owes them something)
    * cure global warming (despite the fact that this is NOT the world’s greatest problem compared to poverty, despotic governments and nuclear threats- and despite the fact that America alone can’t solve it, and that China and India pose much greater threats to the environment in the long term anyway)

    The undertones of the Obama phenomenon are disturbing: self-hating, anti-American, and racist. Racist? How? We have Obama, a half-black man raised by whites, being sold simply as “black” to ride the wave of “blackcentricity” in American popular youth culture (which is marketed around the world and has now become popular world culture). The not so subtle message is that Obama is somehow an antidote to the “stupid white men” that are symbolized by the Bush adminstration. It’s as if a person’s color proves something about their ideas and ability to lead. At a very minimum this is hypocritical to the stated aims of liberals, and completely antithetical to the idea that the content of one’s character should be what determines one’s worth.

    This is not to say that Obama isn’t a decent or smart person. But he is certainly neither a genuis nor brilliant political operator. He really is nothing special judging by his actual political career. Put whiter skin on him and see how many people ogle at his voting record or speeches. Do you see my point? Obama jumped ahead in the queue simply because of his skin color and his willingness to play the race card, and to parrot the liberal creed of “we are the world” and “can’t we all just get along” to a decidedly youthful demographic. He just happened to be the cleanest multi-cultural candidate on the scene as the media were trolling for figureheads to represent their liberal ideals. This is the sad reality. In a media age where you can create and sell any message to the people and make them believe it to their bones, where you can build a manufactured platform of wildly over-simplistic ideals, Obama is the people’s candidate.

  70. 70 concerned about America's mindset
    October 21, 2008 at 16:17

    Obama is the kind of presidential choice only the far left could love! And is the only one to pick if you want a hitlerisk type regime like was established in germany in the 30s and 40s. People wake up! You saw how the press jumped on Joe the Plumber just for asking a relative question like a pack of rabid dogs. Hitler came to power on the very same platform as obama’s running. He will squash or destroy anyone who challenges him on his policies! Or let his minnions and cronies do his dirty work while staying out of touch himself, from the general public or anyone who defies him! Await the night of the long knifes because it’s next in a line of moves against anyone who stands in his way! Or maybe you want to be apart of his private army like a stormtrooper was for hitler and enforce his dictatorship over Americans. Even now he is trying to pass a resolution in the u.n. to change our roll in the u.n. to surrender our soverenty to the euopean union which nullifies are right to bear arms under that treaty! Thus cancelling out the us constitution as we know it, for all intensive purposes. The blood shall be on Your hands for the actions you take at the polls if you vote for obama! Obama despises America and wants to see us destroyed so he can come to world power. We are all that stands in his way! So choose wisely now and stop the madness while you still can. Because once you put him in power you will never get him out! Mark my words! But by then it won’t matter that I’m rite and that your wrong, because the dammage will have been done. May God Bless our nation and remove the spell that they [the decieved] are under. We pray that America awakens in time to save ourselves as well as the world. Father Bless President John Mccain in the next 8 years as well as the rest of America, for we ask these things in Jesus name Amen! It is done!

  71. 71 Chrisitaln
    November 7, 2008 at 23:36

    He is not aChristian He will be known as the Abortion Presiden to allow abortions in the 9th month is murderer. Babies have living souls at conception. Our constitution says right to life . God Have Mercy on Us Because his judgement is coming. Partial Birth Abortiions look it up Barark Husuine Obama said the first thing he will do is lift the ban on abortions. Babies Blood us upon his hands and ours if we voted for him…………………………….

  72. 72 mktotaleclipse@yahoo.com
    August 11, 2009 at 06:07

    I just wanted to say that if I would have have voted it would have been been for Obama, but he has lied to us long enough and is going to turn the US into a socialist country an may have to move to Canada before he desrtoys this country. There is nothing he has done to boost the economy, if anything he has lowered the value of the american dollar and is on his way to sending us back to the late 20’s and the worst that we could be… I thought we were an elite nation that was on top of everything and now we are on our way to be a 2nd or even a 3rd world nation… Do we deserve this after all of the hard work and 12- 18 hour days at work?I know I dont want to be a socialist nation. I mean what the point of working hard if everyone gets the same treatment? Healthcare isn’t changing and nothing else is either… We need a government that can change this or we will become Russia and who wants that? Am I the only 1 that feels this way? I want the best for the great and beautiful U.S.A.!!!

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