I was working over at BBC World News yesterday in an office full of people I don’t know. That didn’t stop me involuntarily shouting ‘oh my God, he’s got it’ as Usain Bolt’s time flashed up for the 200m. By any sporting measure, it was astonishing. But was his sprint double celebrated in the right way? No is the answer of the Olympic boss. Do you agree with him?
Have you seen the 200m? I’m sure most of you have. And Saturday’s 100m final was equally unbelievable as he decided he’d slow down and celebrate after 80m. Not normally what you do when the world’s fastest men are trying to beat you. He broke the world record anyway.
The world’s talking about him, and not just about what he did but also how did it.
This is what Jacques Rogge has said “That’s not the way we perceive being a champion. I’ve no problem with him doing a show. But I think he should show more respect and shake hands after the finish.” Bolt ran a lap of honour straight after the race. (You could argue he could have done one and still have been waiting for the others to finish).
Rogge went on that Bolt should “not make gestures like the one he made in the 100m. He might have interpreted that in another way, but the way it was perceived was ‘catch me if you can.’ You don’t do that. But he’ll learn. He’s still a young man.”
Do you have a problem with what Bolt did? And do you care how sportsmen and women win and celebrate? Is there a right or a wrong way to do it?
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Look at basketball and football, those celebratory gestures are far worse lol.
Though then it could be argued that they are more aggressive sports.
In high school I ran cross country with Alan Webb, a holder of quite a few world and national records. Back then (and I’m not sure how he is now) he was cocky as all get-out. Though he had a right. He worked hard to get where he was / is. He never went over the top, but was proud of his accomplishments, and acted as such.
The older atheletes tend to be a little more reserved.
At the Olympics, we expect quality performance and entertainment. Usain Bolt provided both in good measure with out showing disrespect to any atlethe. Any one who has a problem how bolt celebrated, should take to the tracks and try breaking world records. People like Jaques Rogges should immunize them selves against the PHD (pull him down) syndrome.
I am a Jamaican … a PROUD one too!!! Let Bolt celebrate the way he wants to! Am I being biassed as a Jamaican? I don’t think so. With what we’ve been through as Jamaicans (rising crime rate), it’s our time to bask in our moments of victory and celebrations. So let us do that in peace.
Jacques Rogge is downright out of his place. He is the IOC Chief—let him administrate. He cannot dictate how athletes behave after a game. At least not those who are different, independent minded, or non-conformist.
Now here is what Rogge said to the Associated Press: “I think he [Usain] should show more respect for his competitors and shake hands, give a tap on the shoulder to the other ones immediately after the finish and not make gestures like the one he made in the 100 meters.”
Did you catch those key words and phrases… “Shake hands,” “tap on the shoulder,” immediately after the finish,” “not gesture…100 meters.”
Jacques Rogge’s big problems are that he is ethnocentric and lacks adequate cultural understanding of different peoples. Such ignorance is manifested in the fact that he wants Usain Bolt to celebrate like him [or others like him] would, or according to Jacques Rogge dictates. But Usain can only be Usain, which includes his running and celebrating; and he certainly will not celebrate according to Jacques Rogge’s or anyone else’s dictates. He is Black and he is a Jamaican. He is not Caucasian or of any other race.
From all this one thing emerges clear: Jacques Rogge needs to understand better the cultures of Olympic participants—if he can break free from his ethnocentrism and eschew his form of Olympic-bigotry.
Maybe all athletes are supposed to conduct themselves as golfers….
LOL @ Brett.
When you think about, the reactions of the fans of sports are a lot worse than the actual athletes. how many riots have there been due to success in sports?
Back when the Washington Redskins used to be good, they used to do the “fun bunch” after they would score a TD. This was later banned, as well as all other “excessive celebration”.
Jacques Rogge strikes me as a spoil sport. I’m sure if he easily won a gold medal he would celebrate any way that would suit him.
Congrats to Bolt!
This is what happens when people try to relate two disconnected issues. Just because somebody is a good athlete, doesn’t mean they are a flawless example of humanity. If you want a role model, look to people who are actually famous for doing good deeds.
You know you can sit around the tube watching some religious channel and cheer as a doctor administers a vaccine to a group of third world starving children. Then get up and do the dance around the couch. They will all want to be doctors when they grow up.
Olympic athletes are only guaranteed to be good at their sport. All other traits are a matter of coincidence.
Rogge is nothing but a stuffed shirt. After all, isn’t the “Olympics telethon” supposed to be the ultimate reality show?
On Usaine Bolt – I think he is just a playful and light-hearted athlete who may appear to be a bit self-obsessed but who is just young and enjoying life. In his little bit of a post race interview he was asked if he ever thought it possible that he’d beat the record and said “no.” He has a genial humility off the track that belies the playful bravado he shows. I, for one, think that the bravado and antics are fine. His behavior never seemed, to me, to be gloating or obnoxious but just celebratory and fun. The olympics are awfully serious, and I don’t think the IOC folks could ever be accused of overdosing on levity, so the relaxed approach is welcome in the games – especially when it is earned by obliterating a world record! There’s my two cents.
Yes this is all the bad behavior we have been overlooking or in fact encouraging coming back to bite us on the ass. Let’s all sit back and enjoy.
Greg
Usain bolt is a true character and I’d rather have one of him than a thousand oh-so-serious, trained-for-greatness-since-birth identikit competitors.
So the man yells that he is number 1, well guess what, he is! Anybody who spends their entire life training to be the best deserves to celebrate when they achieve that goal. In the states we are bombarded by athletes showboating when they get a touchdown or sink a 3-pointer, none of which even compare to being the fastest man on earth. Congratulations Bolt!
Jacques Rogge needs to find a better way of gaining attention. He is way off the track. What about chest thumping by Mike Phelps after his wins? Has he visited the basketball court lately? Cool it down Jacques
I totally agree with, I am a born Jamaican and victory is sure sweet and couldn’t be served in a better way
Bolt’s exuberance is enough on its own to make one want to join in his celebration – but, like USA’s professional showboaters, notably present in the NFL and the NBA, and less so in MLB, when one overcelebrates one’s own achievements, such exuberance can, for fans, quickly transform into self-celebratory indulgence instead. A bit of whimsical celebration in the moment, when dragged out to extremes, does become boorish. Castronueves’ impulsively climbing the fence after getting the checkered flag – exuberance! Catronueves doing it just because the fans now come to expect it – boorish.
I think we all like celebration, but we like that as much as we all enjoy a little dignity, a litte humility, a little sportsmanship.
Christopher – Ohio, USA
I don’t have a problem with what Bolt did. What I have a problem with is the travesty that is the webcast of the Olympics – crystallized with the links you provide to the 100m dash. There isn’t any one place online where we can consistently go to watch the Olympics, because of licensing red tape and bureaucratic mumbo jumbo.
Well there is one place, our friends and former guests of WHYS, the wonderfully bureaucratic-free pirate-bay, renamed the bejing-bay during the Olympics 🙂
I find it ironic that a “One World” event like the Olympics isn’t consistently available to all online except “illegally”.
This could be a topic for discussion for a later date, is the Internet truly “inter”?
With awesome services like Hulu offering movies and TV shows for free or pay, but limited to americans only. The “World Wide Web” is only for americans?
Is this the dawning of a new apartheid – the Internet Apartheid?
Er, as much as I like WHYS, there’s much more important things going on. There was a crash in Madrid, 150 people died, and they aren’t sure why the plane crashed. the MD-82 is a fairly common airplane. They fly in and out of DCA all the time, and I’m incredibly close to that airport. I think human lives are a bit more important than how people celebrate after winning. But I understand, not knowing how the accident was caused, doesn’t make for much a discussion, and leading people to be scared of flying could lead to the end of the aviation industry.
@ Bob in Queensland
I totally agree. Bolt is a true champion free spirit. He felt the moment and let loose. Looks like the host country will not let its atheletes be so expressive.
@ Steve
The fact is,they DON’T know what caused the Madrid crash yet (though, since the crew had the engine that caught fire inspected just before their second take off attempt, I daresay maintenance has to be a prime suspect here) and all we could do on the subject would be speculate wildly.
Certainly the MD82 has a pretty good safety record (and pretty good in aviation is very safe indeed) so I wouldn’t get all paranoid just yet.
That said, once the Madrid crash has had a few days to settle down, I daresay a valid topic might be something along the lines of “Is Aviation safety being compromised by economic factors?”
I think WHYS can afford a slightly less-earnest topic every so often.
Give the man his due. As much as I don’t agree with the attention lavished on athletes, get a real job people and stop sponging off the taxpayers (not all but many)… The guy spent years training for this moment and won. It is his event, his celebration. It is not like he gave 2nd and 3rd two fingers and laughing at them. Is it any different to jumping up and down or balling one’s eyes out?
@ steve. Interesting point(s) about the madrid plane crash.
Considering Rogge and Co’s handling of the Chinese games and how they pretty much got the wool pulled over their eyes by the Chinese regime, I don’t think they can really say too much as their credibility is still waiting to finish the race!
Hi WHYSers!
You might imagine that I take a special interest in this story and whereas I am able to understand the need for sportsmanship, I strongly disagree that Mr. Bolt’s actions were disrespectful. What they were, was youthful and excited! As he displayed in the 200m World Record race, he is completely able to win and run through the tape without the antics! BIG UP USAIN BOLT and your Olympic gold medals and World Records and BIG to the Jamaican Track Team! You have made us all very, very proud!!!!
Good one! Nelsoni: phd – pull him down. Hurray for Bolt! Little reggae dance with the reluctant Rogge! Proper “golf” way for victory, too!
As for the host country, did anyone catch the voice over for the little Chinese girl singing the national anthem? Too PC for me!
Virginia in Oregon
Anyone have a theory (conspiracy) about the US Softball team? Softball was eliminated from the Olympics for 2012, due to US dominance in the sport. Perhaps the team threw the game so that the OIC would reconsider the decision? If my theory is true, they deliberately lost so they could play again. That seems to be more about enjoying the sport on an olympic level rather than winning.
He deserves to celebrate. I gaurantee I would be celebrating if I just broke a world record!
Hello… people!
Isn’t there another record to BOLT?
If Jacques took the last two so seriously, I am quite sure he won’t be able to survive another. Frankly, I’ll have no problem with that.
Bolt seems like a natural entertainer, on or off the field, and right now I can’t get enough of this character.
Steve ~ I found it a bit curious as well that the US softball team lost as well but I also didn’t see the game.
Incidentally, on another note, the sense of nationalism which our Olympics team has inspired with their clean sweep of the sprints, specifically in the Women’s One Hundred Metres is mind boggling! Everyone is driving around with at least one flag protruding from the side windows of their cars! My next door neighbour has one on her door and the excitement continues!
In that regard, we hear the comments of the Olympics boss, but we are going to have to disagree. I can recall Americans talking to each other during the race as well as a number of antics! While we all had our thoughts on those there was no comment from the IOC boss, then, as I recall! So, what gives?
I think the Jacques Rogge and the media should hold Michael Phelps to the same standards to which they are holding Usain Bolt. When Michael Phelps won his medals he engaged in a great deal of chest beating, yelling, and arm spreading.
Steve, I dare say that there have been far worse instances of aviation problems to scare people away from aviation. I doubt, highly, that anything other than high prices will lead to the end of the aviation industry.
Back on topic, why shouldn’t he celebrate, or any athlete celebrate? He set the bar another notch higher, and people will be chasing him and it now. A little celebration was warranted.
Actually, the names of the dances that he has been doing are: The 90’s Rock and The Gully Creeper! These are all very popular dances here in Jamaica. And, from what I can recall, Usain is quite the dancer on his weekends off. I have seen him and a few other of the Jamaican Olympians, who are based here, chilling out in the club and dancing up a storm!
Incidentally, as well, the dances are really originally Dancehall popular dances! All the people here are doing them! We have also learned that the fellow who created the Gully Creeper will be choreographing a special dance in honour of Usain and his exploits both on and off the track in Beijing!
Pretty Awesome!
nthg wrong about BOLTS celebration bcoz he deserves that
No matter what’s said, most people respect & admire a person of immense athletic ability, even when they flaunt it.
g
@ WHYS Team, (a suggestion) it would really be fantastic if Jaques Rogges and Usain Bolt can be guests for today’s show. It would be top drawer.
Good day WHYSayers
Firstly, we (Jamaicans) are Not going to always NU-BADY fi steal wi joy. Mr. Rogge get a life! What do you expect from a 22 year old super star?
The antics /showmanship (chest slapping, dancing etc) that is misunderstood and misinterpreted for pride and arrogance is well understood in Jamaica and the Caribbean. We are not European! Don’t dictate how we ought to celebrate.
Usain Bolt is a very humble, decent, respectfuly, happy, funloving, warming, lighthearted, playful boy/ man. If you have never been a child. You cannot understand the exuberance of Usain Bolt.
Mr. Rogge and Co. don’t try to steal our joy. Let us bash in this fleeting moment of glory. God only knows how long we have sufffered and waited for this moment.
Its time for CELEBRATION!!!!!!!!!!!! GO JAMAICA GO!!!!!!!!! GO USAIN BOLT OF LIGHTING GO!!!!!!!!!
We are the spring capital of the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carlos King, Kingston – Jamaica.
Hi Ros,
Please replace always with allow. It should we we are Not going to allow NU-BADY fi steal wi joy.
I agree with nelsoni. If others feel that Bolt’s celebration was wrong, let them run faster than him and set new world records. By the way who wouldn’t get over excited when they break world records in the olympics.
Hi Ros,
The IOC should understand human nature. They also splash champagne when celebrating being voted into office , yet some parts of the world -IOC members -distaste alcoholic substances. Give BOLT a BREAK.
Togo Kasoro
Kampala
Well, you all know my opinion about professional atheletes. In my opinion, most of them are little kids who didn’t grow up and learn how to behave properly. This is just an extension of that. I really don’t see these people offering any real benefits to society. Role models? Should we be encouraging kids to work hard to become professional atheletes instead of studying and getting real jobs? Sorry, but I say, flip off the olympics, and flip on the science channel. At least, scientists are offering new ways for humans to survive on this overcrowded planet with diminishing scarce resources. What did Usain Bolt do to help the fuel crisis? Is he drilling in Anwar?
@ Carlos King,
Right on, mate! Right on! BIG UPs to Usain and the whole crew!!!! And, please let me use this forum to officially say that: ASAFA POWELL IS STILL OUR HERO! Gold medal or no; top three placing or no; world record or no, ‘Safa lead the way!!!!! BIG UP to him! All of us in Jamaica love your madly! So, chin up, we know your day is coming!
Fingers, toes and everything is crossed in anticipation of the relays. Sadly, the US are out, but hopefully the Jamaicans will restore some pride and earn a gold so that ‘Safa can take home some hardware!
Back on topic: Ideally, for me, I would have wanted him to run all out to the tape for the 100m and to see how fast he could go, but I could not ask for me! A gold, sprint double and two World Records!… Jacques Rogge fi go hol’ ‘im corna! (Jacques Rogge needs to have a seat (on this one!)
Fingers, toes and everything is crossed in anticipation of the relays. Sadly, the US are out, but hopefully the Jamaicans will restore some pride and earn a gold so that ‘Safa can take home some hardware!
Back on topic: Ideally, for me, I would have wanted him to run all out to the tape for the 100m and to see how fast he could go, but I could not ask for more!
Jacques Rogge, we love you to pieces I am sure, but we will have to strongly disagree with you on this one! No doubt, Usain’s The Man!!!!!!!!!
@ Nick in the USA,
Perhaps you were not aware, but there are those of us out here who take special pride in sheer athletic genius! This effort to diminish Usain’s or anybody else’s accomplishments of this kind (at the Olympics) is just not on. Perhaps it is that we ought not to have an Olympics after all, so that the scientists amongst us can feel better about themselves? Perhaps it is that there is need to deny greatness in other spheres on the simple premise that one either does not know or care enough about the other kinds of joys that people are celebrating across the globe, even in the face of the great adversities which face us as a planet? Perhaps it is also that we all should not be having any fun because the world comes to an end in the morning, a reality which the scientists will fix by midnight with the televisions sets on Discovery!
Please, do not get me wrong, the fuel crisis, like all the other critical issues are important. However, I would have to strongly disagree with you on this one. The Olympics as we have acknowledged in this very forum, previously, are the highest representations of the human drama on a magnified scale. Those Russian and Georgian athletes who hugged on the medal podium proves that political might and strong arming is no substitute for human dignity! Allow Usain his moment! He has earned it and is entitled to act whichever way he wishes!
What am I hearing? Jacques Rogges is telling a 22 year old how to celebrate his win!
I have not watched the Olympics but I am very happy for Bolt and wish him continued success.
Sometimes it is hard to believe the perfidy of people in high places.
I’m kinda surprised this is the topic today. Who cares if some awesome athlete wants to flaunt his stuff?
-Anthony, LA, CA
@ Anthony,
Right on!
@ Selena,
Right on!
To win is more than enough, whatever he did or did not do, is of no consequence and does not matter, he celebrated his win in the way he felt at the time, perhaps he did not no better but he will in future learn from his experience and no one should fault him for celebrating as he did.
The Olympic boss’s comment is most annoying, perhaps he should seriously consider, that many people have died as a result of staging the games in China and take full responsbility for having done so, perhaps he would be better advised to comment on their choice.
Re Jacques Rogge
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——– Pretty much standard schlop dropped out of the mouth of a corrupt career bureaucrat.
Anyone upset over Bolt’s actions needs to check their pulse to see if they’re still alive. Anyone who blinked would have missed it and it was no more than a big overgrown kid’s expression of joy over winning.
If Bolt really wants to showboat, he needs an American Showboating 101 course for starters. I suspect he’s fine with everything and so are we that have a pulse.
Can only shudder to think about how China flexes it’s new muscle after the Olympics that Jacques Rogge enabled.
Hi gang ! :-)…. Unfortunately these days manhood and moral values are two completely different, even sometimes contrasted things… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna in Baghdad…
I don’t think there is any right or wrong way to celebrate. Moreover, winning an olympic Gold medal by beating some of the worlds best athletes is not something that one plans. You can therefore understand the joy that overwhelms someone.
Haerts off to you Bolt!
@Elias
Exactly. Rogge has got little to say when it comes to expressing yourself or on appearances considering what he and his organisation have acted in the bigger picture.
@ Elias, Andrew, lumbe, Lubna,
Collectively, a very funny set of posts.
I will choose not to comment on the award of the Games to China by the IOC, even as I do so now. However, of much more curious importance is why Rogge felt compelled to get into this discussion which was, in part, as I understand it, started by the American Bob Costas and former Trinidadian athlete now sports commentator for NBC/ CBS (?) Ato Boldon.
I would certainly have hoped that the IOC boss had more important things to talk about than this. He has never commented in the past when the Americans, especially, have done this. Why now? How very curious, indeed!
Today’s topic: YAWN. Come on WHYS. My boss is starting to think I’m dependable
@ Jack
I know what you’re saying. The only thing is that there is ABSOLUTLY NOTHING else going on in the U.S., Russia, or the Middle East. (Insert sarcastic tone here)
-Anthony, LA, CA
P.S. Hopefully we will be discussing Plastic Surgery later on 🙂
Hi All
@ Selena
Mr. Rogge lost the opportunity to celebrate the success of the first truly drug free Olympics. What an opportunity lost to hold-up Usain Bolt of Lighting as prove that sportmans and woman don’t need to use performance enhancing substances to be the best/ world beaters.
It is not too late for him to redeem himself. I hope he’ll apologize and get back to work and leave sideshows and distractions to others.
I think a better On Air topic would have been : Why have Jamaican athletes perform so well over the years? (considering that our population is only 2.7 Million and we are poor.)
Our success cannot be explained economically, scientifically, philosophically, geographically or any other ally. It is just phenomenal! It need to be studied and replicated. Not only by the world, but we, Jamaicans, need to replicate this success in all other spheres of life.
Carlos, Kingston-Jamaica
The sports news network ESPN,
says that 72% of people polled approve of the Jamaican Bolt’s celebration.
Not much of a story then with so many people in agreement I wonder?
Joey
Colorado, USA
@ Rawpoliticsjamaicastyle
“Perhaps you were not aware, but there are those of us out here who take special pride in sheer athletic genius! ”
I’m well aware of this fact, and in my opinion, this is the problem. There are more of you who take “special pride in sheer athletic genius!”, than there are people who take pride in real societal accomplishments. When is the last time you heard about the guy who sold a new fleet of energy producing windmills? That guy should be a star and the subject of the show. If he wants to get naked and go running through the streets, then he is welcome to, in my book. This Usain fellow can celebrate all he wants, but all he did was run 100m. Big deal, most of us have been able to do that since we were kids. He didn’t move society forward or backward. All he did for me was occupy my favorite blog for a day. Thanks for nothing Usain.
@ Carlos
“I think a better On Air topic would have been : Why have Jamaican athletes perform so well over the years? (considering that our population is only 2.7 Million and we are poor.) ”
Simple answer Carlos: Because they care. Most of the United States couldn’t care less about the olympics until 1 week before they start. Then we will watch them, and completely forget about them in another week. Ask an american who won the 100 m dash in Barcelona, and I bet 1 out of 500 will actually know the answer.
@ Nick in the USA,
I had no doubts at all that you were (well) aware, just not happy, it appears, that you were not able to accomplish what Mr. Bolt did at the Olympics, given that you yourself were doing what he did (run 100m races) from you were a child – your admission, not mine. It would seem to me that precisely because Usain set two world records and got gold medals at the Olympics that he should be celebrated and not the others who did not no disrespect to them.
While, totally mindful of the value of science to the world, indeed, the universe, it only serves to make the point all the more clear – the achievements of sportsmen like Usain deserve special attention, if even from scientists. Why? Well, it is simple really perhaps in the excitement of it all we just might be able to figure out the how fast to drill that oil in Anwar without breaking a sweat. Or, how to get that job done in the shortest time with the least amount of adverse impacts to the environment. Who knows, it might even be inspiring!
At any rate, we need to celebrate greatness! Denying someone else’s achievements is not the same as saying ‘this is important, too!’
@ Nick in the USA in response to Carlos K,
But at least you, like them, knew there was an Olympics in Barcelona. That is a start! A very good one to boot! So, whether you care or America cares, or even Greece, etc, does not stop the world from turning or that the Olympics happened in whichever part of the world when it did!
The fact is, we get it, it is not your cup of tea, it is ours! We feel, however, that diminishing the prodigious talents of Mr. Bolt will not make up for the obvious work that remains to be done in terms of popularising science in the same way. Who says it even has to be in the same way? What will that achieve, in real terms? The equalising how attentions paid to science as to the Olympic Games and Usain Bolt, in particular?
Not everyone who watches a Usain Bolt will want to run in the Olympics, or even become an athlete. Surprise, surprise, for some people it is really just enterainment! Of course, for us, it is a little more, as you might appreciate right now! There will not be any less scientists, I am sure, after the Olympics are done!
In fact, the winner of the Hammer Throw in Athens, who is from Japan (yes, his name escapes me in the minute!) actually did his event as post graduate research degree! Lots of science there! Aerodynamics, in particular. All those Physics and Chemistry classes did pay off for him, no doubt! So, see, it can be done! We can watch the Olympics, even participate in it and still be scientific minded!
Not sure if this was posted earlier! So, here goes once more!
@ Nick in the USA in response to Carlos K,
But at least you, like them, knew there was an Olympics in Barcelona. That is a start! A very good one to boot! So, whether you care or America cares, or even Greece, etc, does not stop the world from turning or that the Olympics happened in whichever part of the world when it did!
The fact is, we get it, it is not your cup of tea, it is ours! We feel, however, that diminishing the prodigious talents of Mr. Bolt will not make up for the obvious work that remains to be done in terms of popularising science in the same way. Who says it even has to be in the same way? What will that achieve, in real terms? The equalising how attentions paid to science as to the Olympic Games and Usain Bolt, in particular?
Not everyone who watches a Usain Bolt will want to run in the Olympics, or even become an athlete. Surprise, surprise, for some people it is really just enterainment! Of course, for us, it is a little more, as you might appreciate right now! There will not be any less scientists, I am sure, after the Olympics are done!
In fact, the winner of the Hammer Throw in Athens, who is from Japan (yes, his name escapes me in the minute!) actually did his event as post graduate research degree! Lots of science there! Aerodynamics, in particular. All those Physics and Chemistry classes did pay off for him, no doubt! So, see, it can be done! We can watch the Olympics, even participate in it and still be scientific minded!
By the way, you do recognise that we are having a joke at your expense, right?
The only bad way to win undeservedly is to do so by cheating or by showing contempt towards the losing opponent. Sport after all means to win with modesty and to lose with honour.
In sport, there are evidently rules to play and to celebrate. In football matches there are varieties of ways through which a team celebrates scoring a goal or winning a match. It’s all OK as long as it doesn’t offend the other team and its supporters.
@ Anthony,
Apparently, no news happens at the Olympics, God forbid that it should centre on a non-American! Yikes!
For my part, I thoroughly enjoyed the Olympics! Opening Ceremony and all! To say nothing of the events which have lead to today’s blog! Bring it on, Ros! LOL!
well we really now see how buerocrats feel about third world athletes they despise us and would’nt care to see us in another olympics, what reaaly got under the skin of Rogge is that all the rich countries and super powers got creamed and his credenility is on the line for China bamuzling him about free speech and freedom of the press. Rogge man up and deal with it. Jamaica “To the World”
it suppose to be ” credebility” and bambuzuling
Whoo hoo Bolt! I loved seeing him celebrate. If I’d won the Gold medal the way Bolt did, I’d try to celebrate the moment and stretch those minutes that follow for as long as possible.
Jacques Rogge is acting like a spoiled sport who was throwing a verbal tantrum in front of the reporters.
Cheers to you all…..great to have you back Ros.
I do think there is a right way to win and a wrong way……I thought Bolt’s antics were a little over the top, and possibly not very respectful of the other runners……however, he is young, and I have taken all of his antics as a man celebrating being the absolute best at something and not knowing what to do with all that energy and enthusiasm. HOWEVER……the way in which American Football players behave after they have scored a touchdown or impressive play is completely different. There is a world of difference between passion for success and arrogance. How a person handles winning is just as telling of his character as how a person handles losing.
I have a brother-in law and sister-in-law that are both young and when they were participating in community sports programs….no one kept score. They wanted to encourage participation not athletic prowess, so no one won, but there were never any losers either. How can we teach children to be gracious winners, if we can’t teach them how to lose too?
Jennifer Moskowitz
@ denzel Daley,
“To di Worl’!” is right! I find Jacques Rogge’s actions completely out of character in terms of the precedence that he is setting. Perhaps someone here can remind me whether he has actually ever commented on other athletes who make similar displays? Is this not overkill? I mean, come on, Usain is happy and he is a champion. Who is it hurting?
Do you ever get the sense that some of these public/ international officials seem to have completely overstepped the boundaries of commonsense, or even good taste? Frankly, I am a little disappointed with the IOC head! Very sad day for the sport, I think, when the President who was instrumental, I am sure, for awarding the Games to China could find this of all the other things going on with the Olympics to comment on! Strange, indeed!
well we really now see how buerocrats feel about third world athletes they despise us and would’nt care to see us in another olympics, what really got under the skin of Rogge is that all the rich countries and super powers got creamed and his credebility is on the line for China bambuzling him about free speech and freedom of the press. Rogge man up and deal with it. Jamaica “To the World”
@ devra
U right about being proud I’m glowing
I agree with some on the blog, BOLT is just young and having a good time. If we all had the skill and worked as hard as these Olympic athletes maybe we would celebrate also.
@ Steve,
You are correct there other things more pressing than this. On the way home yesterday I heart that American Airlines has been looking at the engines on the MD82 aircraft
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@ Raw
Yeah, I don’t really care about the Olympics. I’d rather see countries compete in:
-Best Produce
-Military Exercises
-Construction
-Computer programming/hacking
That would be MUCH MORE interesting.
-Anthony, LA, CA
Yes,there is a bad way to win such as the russians opening the gates at the end of the stadium inthe moscow 1980 games when the russian competitor was about to throw and the spanish in 1992 helping their long jumper with incorrect measurement of his jump(or Russians cheating in the modern pentathlon fencing,I think 1976)
What Usain Bolt was OK,I enjoyed his performances.
The Olympics don’t reflect the World.
The Olympics do not even reflect the world of sport.
Rogge and his Middle European sensibilty ,probably could not deal with some descendent of a slave up stage him ,because the games are about the president of the IOC,NOT THE ATHLETES(as exemplified by the unrepentent Spainish Blackshirt fascist predecessor Samaranchs(Francos sidekick)behaviour )
@Anthony
I am so slad they don’t have those games. It would be boring to watch. lol!
I have been reading on this blog about the olympics are about integrity and class, however all i have seen from the Judges is bias and impartiality. Also i have no problem with what Usain Bolt did. He has been working hard for years to get where he is. Why shouldnt he be allowed to enjoy his win. If people have a problem with how he races then let them work harder and beat him. Dont complain about how he wins just cause certain athletes could not beat him.
IOC President Jacques Rogge needs to get his priorities straight. Underage Chinese atheletes, half-empty stadiums, highly-questionable gymnastics judging… and all Rogge can find to criticize is Usain Bolt’s joyous celebration??? This is simply more evidence that the atheletes are simply raw materials for the IOC-led Olympic-corporate money-making machine. Shame!
Don Gloo (rhymes with “blue”)
Wind Point, Wiscoinsin
USA
I think we should be looking at the way fans of the athletes celebrate victory. Fan celebrations have resulted in riots, deaths, fights, ect. How can someone muster anger over Bolt thumping his chest when it is the fans doing the real damage.
If he slows down and celebrate before he finishes thats at his expense. He does whatever he want its his life his day. I am happy for him. There should not even be a debate about this.
The NFL, if you do outrageous things on the field, your team gets penalized for an unsportmanslike conduct penalty, though it’s common for a player who is going to score to slow down and basically walk into the endzone, Sometime they will even mock the other plays. So while what Bolt did would be mild for NFL standards, this was the Olympics, and I think it’s a much higher class thing, or at least should be. If there were a brawl in an olympic hockey game, I would be outraged, though it’s something I expect in an NHL game. I believe it was 2 winter olympics ago some of the hockey teams trashed their hotel rooms after being eliminated.
Is there a bad way to win?
Yes, a lot of the sports at the olympics are for whites only and when blacks ,browns, reds or yellows get good at a sport ,new sports are added so white people can a few medals.
Who are we to say how people should act when they win an event. The olympics are the ultimate display of living in a free world and no one should be allowed to judge how he acts. His actions are nothing more than free speech and free expression, which should not be opressed.
For the man speaking from India, what about cricket players who thrown the ball up in the air, and run around the field screaming when they take a wicket. Shouldnt that be considered unprofessional by his standards. (Sorry I dont remember his name)
Jack ~
Ha! My boss is beginning to think I’m dependable as well when I didn’t whine that he scheduled a meeting during WHYS….
When is it ever that sports men do not celebrate or showboat or just rub their victory in other people’s faces when they win. When other teams win a tournament against mine, they start cheering and screaming when they win. In other sports during the Olympics, people start screaming when they win. I was watching fencing and when they would win a bout, people would start screaming. So why is this surprising to anyone. People always do this and have always done it. Young and old. So my question is this, why are people picking on him specifically when other people do the same thing?
@ Vijay
Can you give me an example of a sport that’s only for whites? And new ones that have been added so that whites can win?
Sportsmanship is undervalued by many athelets. Winnning is important, that is why we compete but, respecting the other athletes that you are competing against is important. Unfortunately, this lack of respect is not just limited to sports.
+ It would be useful to ask this question about something more substantive then sports. In sports it is just a case of superficial manners. I believe to some extent it is human nature to physically display some amount of boasting, because the blind also do this upon winning.
+ A good area to look, that would uncover larger issues about winning, is politics? Is it worth sacrificing your principles and message to get elected at any cost?
@ Vijay
That is a very racist and untrue.
-Anthony, LA, CA.
I saw a new competitor who just proved to himself that he’s the fastest runner on the track. He simply enjoys running, and tearing his opponents to pieces is not his goal. If he’s a Chess player, he probably would enjoy and lengthen a game rather than finding the shortest route to kill the King.
@ Anthony,
It’s fine! We will continue to celebrate until such time….!
@ Jennifer Moskowitz,
Very insightful point about the nature of a person’s character evidenced through how one handles winning, as well as the comment about loosing with grace. Though, I am never sure if there is a gracious way to loose.
That said, I come back to my earlier point. Of all that is going on in the Olympics (world) this was the only incident of matter that preoccupied Rogge? Wow! Talk about not having anything to do with one’s time!
In fact, I am genuinely surprised that this is today’s topic, though I am not complaining! (I see we have some Usain fans at WHYS! LOL!).
Seriously? I would have wanted him to express a little more decorum, such as it is, but I am good!…Later for Jacques Rogge’s comments
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Was this “sportsmanlike” as well? Say if someone did a white power salute at the podium?
Its funny that the IOC makes a point to criticize Bolt but has nothing to say about the treatment of would-be protesters and under-age gymnasts.
I think people are just mad that an American or an athlete from a another big country won.
the guy took off 0.03 seconds off his last record (which is huge for 100m). Towards the end, he probably realized how far ahead he was (I mean if you watched the race, it seemed the others behind him were slow!!!) ….
I think Bolt breaking the record was amazing…..but the celebration was memorable….awesome entertainment that made the race extra special.
(Furthermore, the man was on top of the world at the end of 200 and 100. I mean he could have taken a few more subseconds off the 100, but he slowed down. Maybe he wanted to do a “Sergei Bubka” (a pole vaulter who took a cm off the record meet by meet, in order to earn more money), but as a viewer who the heck cares….What he di was pure magical!!)
@Steve
That was a long time ago. I don’t think it was sportmanslike.
Give the guy a break for crying out loud! He might not have been courteous and discreet about his celebrations but he is worth every accollade. Don’t rob him of what he is due.
Another thing is wouldn’t the show boating make you want to be a better athlete? I mean, when you see someone celebrating after they win or rubbing it in your face, wouldn’t it make you determined to just beat them horribly the next time you win?
Winning is everything in the Olympics. There are so many things serious and somber in this world let’s not make sports one of them. Let the athletes have fun and if they want to shine on the competition that’s part of sports and completely natural. I imagine this is only an issue for people who have no idea how to have fun.
If Jacques Rogge thinks what Bolt did was bad, just wait until the next generation makes it to the games. If the trend for big money in sport continues along with the gradual erosion of respect for others and general manners in society imagine what is to come!
Andrew
Australia
I think I might have seen a nipple ring. Start the investigation
If for a moment you are the fastest man on earth, considering she will very soon slow you down, why not shout and thump your chest? Who begrudges this?
Chad in Oregon
@ Vijay & steve
Vijay, Baseball and Softball just got taken off, are those games for blacks/borwns??? Isn’t the US, and Japan always rocking in baseball??? You’re comment is silly.
-Anthony, LA, CA
Wow! So, I see the discussion has gone in a new direction!
@ Vijay,
I don’t know if this is a question of race, in fairness. More one about geo-politics it appears to me, in terms of the comments.
I do know for sure that, Rogge is a little out of line. In fact, very, very far out of line! He might be better served addressing the questions raised in Mark’s posts earlier about the “Good games, bad games” dichotomy. I would be interested to know his own evaluation of whether he thought awarding the Olympics to China has necessarilly brought it any closer to the West?
Beyond the fanfare and the hype, both of which are very intoxicating I know, what steps, if any, have there been in terms of pulling China into the ‘modern ethos’ it is felt to be sealed away from over there in the East, as a result of the staging of these Games in Beijing this year?
Yes, unfortunately, when playing on the greatest stage there is a level of propriety, precedence and tradition to which EVERYONE must adhere. Celebrating is fine, but not at the expense of your fellow competitors. Please don’t bring the example of American basketball or football into the debate as positive examples of celebration – both sports have been defiled over the past 20 years by inane antics on/off field and court.
It’s sad that the current generation of athletes is so self-indulgent and often completely ignores the value of dignified play.
A question I haven’t heard asked so far: what part of people’s objections to Bolt’s celebration are because he’s black? This feels to me like another case of white people feeling that black people are being arrogant if they are acknowledging their accomplishments.
I am a white woman living in Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Many have an automatic repulsion
to displays of physical boasting.
It seems animalistic!
People who try to understand the
world through intellect often find this
physical flagrancy abhorrent.
what about the american that caught up to Mr Bolt in the peliminaries? Was his comment/actions anything but fun as he caught up. I think everyone should be allowed to celebrate in their own way and show their pride in their countries.
@ Jered,
Good one!
This is an absolutely stupid discussion. People who think this was a strange reaction have obviously not ever competed for anything in their lives! His celebration represented himself and his people it would only have been expected from a Jamaican!
Good lord!
A lot of you out there need a triple-dose laxative! You’re pathetic at they way this issue is offending you and the fact that you have time to waste pontificating over this. The guy was celebrating in his way and it was CLEAR that he was very friendly and respectful to his opponents… which I didn’t see between Michael Johnson, Maurice Green and others. I could make a case for how Michael Phelps was celebrating after his teams first relay victory… screaming his head off and flexing his muscles. But it was clear that he was caught-up in the moment… just like Usein!
Men’s sprinting is notorious for its machismo, so I do not think that Bolt’s self aggrandizment is out of the norm. However, I am angry that he chose to do it in the middle of the 100 meter race. He traded .05 seconds to promote himself. We should all feel cheated for that bone headed action.
what i think is being left out is the time factor. it took bolt less than 10 seconds to run the 100m race and less than 20 seconds to run the 200m.
how much time is there to contemplate appropriate celebration procedures? it makes no sense to compare this to other sports.
I’d have to say that Bolt is an exceptional athelete and he knows it. You and I cannot deny it. Imagine you just beat him in a race….how would you or I celebrate THAT victory? I’d say mine would make Bolt’s look like a salute from an honour guard. Let him enjoy his victory, he worked for it.
What Usain Bolt did – slowing down before the finish – belittles the efforts of all the other competitors which, in spite of not winning the gold, worked just as hard. There is nothing wrong with celebrating but respect is owed to the tradition of the games and the spirit of sportsmanship which drove all the competitors to train for years for the games. He deserves to celebrate his victory with joy, but more than boasting, grace and sportsmanship is expected of an olympian.
Sure, there are bad ways to win. But what Bolt did in winning the 100 and 200 meter gold wasn’t one of them. There is a line that an athlete shouldn’t cross; it’s not for me to establish that line but it could be turning to the other racers and saying “Nyah, nyah” or perhaps it would be a rude gesture with one’s middle finger? Bolt’s actions were well to the appropriate side of that line. This is a non-issue.
Whew, Tess sure is passionate!
Perhaps the problem here is not Mr. Bolt’s celebrating style and more a problem with the IOC and/or Mr. Jacques Rogge’s racism. Who said the IOC is the demarcation line of cultural expression? Should they [IOC] not be more accepting of cultural differences and not attempt to extend a eurocentric demeanor/paradigm as to what is “sportsmen/women” ship?
This is not about Bolt as much as it is about African and more specifically Jamacian hate. Rogge needs to be slapped with a monetary fine and be made to give a formal apology to Bolt and the people of Jamacia for his overstepping his career parameters.
@RawPoliticsJamaicaStyle-
Don’t knock the discovery channel, you ever seen mythbusters?
@ Nick-
…I TOTALLY AGREE USAIN BOLT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENERGY CRISIS.
lol.
@Tonye
That is very true!
I think Usain Bolt brings a refreshing new attitude to sprints and to track and field in general. I think he’s an amazing and fun athlete!
Working hard and having fun, what could possibly be better?
Play on!
I also like how you guys are acting like this is an argument…when we pretty much all agree that no one cares how he celebrates? Next topic!
Please people, let the man celebrate his day at the World Olympic. Do you think that is everyday that Jamaica or Panama gets a GOLD medal. Let these people have joy in their own way. There was nothing disrespectful about it. Ok, we know he slows down to celebrate his victory before he finishes that was kind of funny. In my case I would have finish first, but this is his day. Bravo for Jamaica and Panama, let’s celebrate together.
Bravoooooooo por Jamaica and bravoooooo for Panama.
My friends and I agreed, while watching the win, that his over abundance of cockiness made the performance less enjoyable to watch. I’d have respected him and celebrated his win more had he been more humble and spent less camera time flaunting his ego.
As long as sportsmanship is part of the competition, showing respect to other athletes is what makes a real champion!
What if he was running the race alone? Would he be showboating as much? How much joy would it be being there alone? Are the other athletes there to validate your achievement, make you a star – why not thank them for it, why not show respect?
White water kayaker from Tobago winning bronze breaking a paddle over his boat after the race is justify – it was bronze, it was not over the top, and he still showed respect to the other athletes. OR Men’s 200m freestyle qualifier swim, where a gentleman from one of the African nations swam by himself, because the other two swimmers were disqualified – he showed the true spirit of sportsmanship – he swam him heart out, he was cheered on, he celebrated at the end.
@ another runner
Wow, so now it’s racism if you criticise someone’s actions? So much for free speech then, Rogge should be fined for saying that what Bolt did wasn’t appropriate? Wow. I hope I don’t live in your country if you don’t believe in free speech and criticizing someone’s actions makes you a racist!
I grew up in Jamaica and was also track athlete and I say Usain Bolt’s celebration is nothing out of the ordinary. It’s just how we do it and it’s not meant to disrespect the opponents. In fact I’m proud to see him excel in the sport and stay true to his culture. The chest thump in the 100m was in the moment joy. In previous olympics there has been outrageous celebrations and nothing was said about it. So why the huge ordeal now? BTW the dances he did are called ‘nuh linga’ (which means no lingering and also gully creep) which are dances from the reggae dancehall music scene. Besides what else are you supposed to do while you wait for the others to finish. haha.
I felt that his celebration was a personal attack against me and everything I stand for. His disrespect shames not only himself, but humanity. God have mercy on us. 🙂
The Olympics are not about fun!
They are about winning at all costs in a superficial nationalistic competition. It is barbarism!
Mr.Jacques Rogge, try to break the world record in the 100 metres and I’ll check your reaction!!! There was no disrespect. It was honest and strong emotions.
@ Steve and @Anthony
Well,I should have said de facto for whites only rowing,sailing, fencing(although there were some Jewish competitors)and shooting
@Anthony maybe there should be freeway shooting or drive by shooting events(LA would win a couple of gold medals)
@steve BMX and Mountain Biking have been added recently)( XGames events)
@steve re: black power salute
I guess never again means never again for your people heh.
Ever heard of the Civil rights or Equal rights struggle?
Even if there is bad sportsmanship, it goes away with victory. I can think of Valentino Rossi who is known to make some harsh comments against his opponents, but as long as he wins, he remains the favorite. Rooney, on the other hand, suffered a lot of criticism in the last world cup because England couldn’t move forward. If England, would have moved on, I’m sure his behaviour would have been forgotten.
@ Keith
HAHAHAHA!!! Oh my gosh, I’m busting up!!! Good one!!!
Why is it if someone from somewhere like America does something like that we are “stupid American ego-centric jerks”, but when others from other countries like Jamaica do it, its “part of their culture”.
-Anthony, LA, CA
I am a big fan of football (in America: Soccer;o)
I see no difference between Bolt celebrating and a player in the league scoring a goal (I mean go check out Robinho in La liga post scoring celbration, or Benny Mccarthy, Robie Keane doing their somersaults after scoring…I mean these guys do it week in week out…
Usain Bolt does not get to break the WR week in week out…and to do it in the Olympics is once every 4 years (and he only will have another ~3 olympics)
This debate is ludirous!
Bolt won at the highest stage possible for an athlete. Look at what he accomplished for his country and himself. He is THE fastest man in the WORLD. He has every right to celebrate.
I was watching this with a group of my friends when he won gold, and we exploded! His celebration was fantastic and admirable. What a champ. He loves his country, and he loves his sport.
He is passionate, don’t fault him for that.
@Keith
How were his antics a personal attack against you? I mean people are so ridiculous. He just won a gold medal. Americans celebrate a lot more than he did.
I think when it comes to Usain people need to grow up. I for one am finally happy to see someone who is truly excited about winning and should be allowed to celebrate and show that excitement. I for one was privileged to be able to watch him run. Leave him alone.
Robert P
Interesting topic while the U.S.A. and Russia rush to the precipice of stupidity. Okay. Insane Bolt – why do we expect him to celebrate like everyone else? We don’t all come out of the same cookie cutter. I don’t want to go to the race card but I will. Everybody repeats “Michael Phelps is the Golden Boy” while Insane is effectively labeled a “pariah”. Double standard? It sounds like Big Brother seeks to control our behavior and thoughts again. Our societies prefer “attitude is everything” over “polite sportsmanship” according to what I see on t.v. and in movies.
I was in the Bird’s Nest last night to watch the 200m race.
Usain celebrated in style and was soon held aloft by the american runners, they seemed quite happy with it.
Interesting listening in on the show this evening.
mu zen
Out of all the negatives at this Olympic, Rogge has the gaul to complain about an athlete celebrating “inappropriately”!?!?!?!?!?
Maybe he prefers 16 (really 12) year old gymnasts who are too frightened to smile because she didn’t win gold.
Rogge is quiet on ALL of Chinas lies and indiscretions on Tibet, Darfur, pollution, worker safety, freedom of expression, dissident rights, and he chooses to speak out on THIS?!?!?!?!?………………… jeesh!!!
@ Anthony,
Being reduced to banal subjects like how athletes celebrate or who’s getting sucked, tucked and plumped after the last highly eventful week is like going to an amusement park and only riding the train.
Hey Chloe and Ros, Here’s a suggestion for a thread: Is the United States using Poland as a pawn in it’s game with Russia?
http://anarchyjack-manifestosfromthedecline.blogspot.com/2008/08/letter-to-prime-minister-kaczinski-of.html
@ Vijay
So you can say that about the U.S. and L.A (where I’m from) but I’m sure if I said anything stereotypical about India (where I’m assuming you’re from) I’d be a racist jerk (p.s. although since I’m Hispanic, people wouldn’t think it’ as ba for some reason).
-Anthony, LA, CA
I thought it was rude and arrogant…the chest thumping and the look on his face. It was, in my opinion, poor sportsmanship. I understand being excited about winning and it is a great achievement. But good sportsmanship doesn’t seem to be part of sports. What with the advent of extraordinary salaries good sportsmanship has disappeared.
When
I was growing up sportsmanship was taught. Raising your hands at the end of a bicycle race or jumping for joy after winning a swim meet is one thing. It just looked that with his winning actions that he was saying to the world, screw you, I AM the best.
Chuck in Long Beach, California
Bolt was awesome! He blow away the field and he knows he is THE MAN!
Only a sleeping monk wouldn’t get excited! Look at the young female from Jamaica who couldn’t believe she won and was jumping all around like a kid that just won a whole candy shop!
Alan in Arizona
I think his celebration is appropriate for someone so clearly outstanding in his field (so to speak) but… if I were his coach I would have reprimanded him. He actually slowed down before the line. It seemed to me to be true uncontrolled emotion but that sort of premature celebration could cost him a world record or worse, the gold. He should have waited until after he crossed the line, just for safety.
You mentioned tour cyclists raising their arms but if it’s a close finish, they push hard until they cross the line and then raise their arms. Finish first, then celebrate.
Just my 2 cents (which is completely worthless in US coin),
Wendy K
What about some other sportsmen’s and sportswomen’s celebrations. Screaming with such force and waving their fist in the air. sometimes the expression on their faces is not human. I’d rather have dancing.
Javad from London
I personally don’t care how someone wins. I don’t play sports but when my team wins, I am in someone elses face gloating over the win. So I do not think most Americans care, they only care if you are the one who is losing.
This is how people behave in Jamaica?Is this the excuse bad behaviour,I COME FROM A PLACE WERE WE BEHAVE LIKE THIS!SO SIT BACK DOWN SHUT UP AND ACCEPT IT,IS’NT IT FUNNY HOW THIS WAY OF BEHAVING IS SO ACCEPTED IN AMERICA THE MOST GEARISH CULTURE ON EARTH,THIS SHOWS HOW FAR BIG MONEY SPORT,BESIDES HE ”USAIN BOLT” COULD HAVE GOT A BETTER TIME ,IF HE DID’NT SLOW DOWN AND WAVE AT THE PUBLIC,YOUR CALLERS ARE RIGHT HE IS VERY SPEACIAL HE SHOULD BE IN THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS.BY THE WAY I CALL INSANE BOLT!
@ Ros :
Is there a bad way to win! Yes….
Dennis
I’m Jamaican and I do think Usain’s actions during the last 20m of the 100m were a bit over the top but not disrespectful and certainly not deserving of all this attention…what he did was nothing new (thinking here of Maurice Green, Shawn Crawford, Michael Phelps not to mention basketball, soccer or volleyball players). Certainly not enough to merit the attention of the chairman of the International Olympic Committee, Jacques Rogge, which I think is grossly unfair. Usain is only 21 and broke his own WR after running the 100m professionally for several months.
This was a phenomenal achievement from a tremendous athlete!
I am sooo tired of people trying to overshadow what Usain has done. The young man is the Double Olympic CHAMPION with 2 WORLD RECORDS!!!!! I just wish that these people would just stop HATING on him.
The IOC chief should have just not said anything at all. Everyone who is saying that he is unsportsman like should just ZIP IT cause they never have or ever will accomplish anything like this!
When the Americans were being show boatish and boastful no one complained about that. It is not Usain’s fault that he totally erased the competition. It is their duty to bring their game up to his level. I think the Americans especially are just jealous and cannot believe that they have been totally outshone by a little DOT on the map called JAMAICA!!!!!!!!
SO GO USAIN I LOVE YOU AND I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO STRIKE THEM WITH LIGHTING!!!
I find it amazing how the westerners are quick to condem other athlets that are not of western origin for every little thing they do. With Usain Bolt, he is being condemed as being over celebrating and not shaking the hands of his opponents while at the same time Phelt was not reqested to shake the hands of his opponents when he won his seventh gold in swimming and was only beating his chest in boastfull manner.
Since when did the topic become “WHY ARE AMERICAN JELOUSE OF JAMACIANS AND OTHER COUNTRIES GOLD WINNING ATHLETES?”. Hehe, funny!!!
P.S. I think it’s funny he’s fast and his name is Bolt 🙂
-Anthony, LA, CA
Usain Bolt is the world’s greatest. It is shocking to America and the world. America and Europians must remember Bolt is just 21 years of age. He has done nothing wrong. Why can’t they accept it and stop trying to create something out of nothing, about how the man celebrate his own victory? He has done nothing wrong. Is he from the wrong country? The playing field is now level, and guess what? As long as the playing field remains level we have much more of this kind of performance for the world.
PAGING MODERATORS:
Could some of you do me a huge favor, and moderate for me for the nightly thread until about 4PM EST? I am really sick and need to walk home from work as I don’t think I can even take public transit right now without getting sick again. I’ll take over when I get home.
Sure steve. I can till 4 no prob 🙂 Get well buddy!!!
-Anthony, LA, CA
@Steve
I hope you feel better.
The world has never seen a champion like Usain Bolt and as Caribbean people we have our own way of celebrating, we are a colourful people from Jamaica down to Guyana so for the rest of the world to say he celebrated in an offensive manner is for them to be judging a culture they know nothing about. Look at the way other people celebrate they beat their chest and shout out suppose someone ways to say that is offensive what would the Olympic boss say.
In football they rip off their clothes and that is offensive so please do not diminish the great feat that Mr.Bolt has accomplished by bringing up these petty arguments.
He is a great Champion and we in Trinidad are proud of him and Richard for their Gold and Silver.
Daryl.
@ Keith,
I am not knocking the Discovery Channel. In fact, I am knocking the implied negativing of Usain’s performance. Whether one wants to watch Mythbusters, or whatever else, more power to them!
My only consolation is that we can all choose to watch what we want to. What is not kosher is publicly decrying others’ achievements because of our own ill will or feelings towards them and what they do. Either way, Bolt is still the champion! So…!
@ Keith and Raw
Mythbusters is one of the BEST SHOWS ON T.V.!!! That and Survivor Man!!! 🙂
-Anthony, LA, CA
@ Angela-
I was completely joking 🙂
@ Angela and Anthony
Thanks. It might be more like 415. I have to take into account I probably won’t be able to walk very fast.
@ Anthony
I am sorry you were offended,but not that sorry.Too much Jay Leno?
Triathlon would be a good event for hispanics swim a river ,ride a bike and run across a desert and everyone wins a gold medal.
I would love to hear stereotypes and cliches about India please oblige ,I am an adult.
@ Steve,
Get well, soon!
@ Vijay
I wasn’t offended at all. I make fun of, and love it both ways. I was pointing out the double standards in matters like this.
-Anthony, LA, CA
P.S. I can’t put the Indian Stereotypes or I would be banned form WHYS 🙂
Mr.Olympicpresident, will you please get off the back of Usain Bolt? I think it’d be better if you haven’t made those comments about him. We still love him anyway. _ Dick K, Accra,Ghana.
Bolt’s victory in the olympic games track events of 100m and 200m marks a new dawn for the Jamaicans…Bolt deserves his winnings. From Basy in Ibadan, Nigeria.
@ Anthony,
I have no doubts at all. Survivor man is not my cup of tea, in truth! But to each his own! I LOVE USAIN BOLT! LOL! As for Mythbusters, interesting!
…STILL LOVE USAIN BOLT! LOL!…Hey Ros, great idea for a topic! LOL!
Seriously? Somebody needs to tell Rogge that we can see through the smoke screen. Picking on a 22 year old is not going to cause the questions to go away about these Olympics and freedom of speech, human rights, etc. Still, I LOVE USAIN BOLT! So…!
@ Anthony,
For what it is worth, is it possible that we do not dignify comments like those above? I mean, I paid the price by calling someone, what I thought was a fairly okay name the other day. Won’t say it here! But, I swear it is in the Oxford, or which ever dictionary is now in current usage. For that, my comment was not published. Let us keep it above the waist, please!
As a Jamaican i think it is ok to celebrate how ever you want to Bolt did nothing wrong. The Americans did it all the time so why when a little country like Jamaica dominate the tack every one have a problem with it. No one had a problem with Gatlin or Crawford in 2004 but now they have a problem with bolt. That is a not fare at all
Hi WorldHaveYourSay – I’m 77 years old and I think “Lightening” Bolt’s behavior was wonderful. He showed us pure joy. His running was beyond superb. Usain Bolt celebrated his Olympic victory as befits Jamaican culture. Relax and enjoy it.
Cheers – Del D
The disproportionate attention by BBC given to Bolt in comparison to the less attention given to Phelps, who won more medals than Bolt in my opinion is a biased action.
John,
Nairobi.
Why is this issue being raised now that a JAMAICAN has triumphed on the track? No such questions were raised when Michael Johnson raised a SUPERMAN t -shirt in ATLANTA. Timilehin Abayomi Lagos NIGERIA
What about the usa pole vaulter who said she was going to kick Russian BUTT?
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Bolt is doing what he is good at and he definately enjoying it.The way he celebrates his win is totally up to him. Shuwary B Freetown.
The sprints are a catch-me-if-you-can affair. He was not snobbing his teammates after a team event. Those he ran against have the duty to congratulate him
Would the IOC president have made the same comment if the USA or a european sprinter had won? My only regret is that he didnt push on and smash the record even more.Blonke, Ghana
I do not see the problem he can celebrate the way he likes of corse he could have improved the record by more seconds Hyley Kampala
Bolt made us all proud 2 be black but he forgot that without his fellow competitors there would be no race. Please call me. Elsa in Uganda.
Yes, a lot of the sports at the olympics are for whites only
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——– Oh, it’s always amusing when those who know zero about sports start to pontificate about sports in racial terminology. Phelps and Bolt deserve better.
As to the notion that these are drug free Olympics…..NOT!
Athletes are training on the PEDs and then cycling off for the events. Not accusing anyone specifically as some athletes have integrity, but Olympics is professional sports now involving grande lucre, and where there’s money there’s cheating.
History of the world 101…..
For a guy who won an Olympic sprint in a world record time deserves respect rather than criticism.a champion celebrates the way he likes.Clement
Win Gold, Creat new world record & celebrate. Those talking on morals lacks it & should shut-up. America is out & out they go. They always mock others. -Alkali.
The only way the ioc president can teach bolt how to celebrate is by breaking both records set by bolt and showing him what to do at the end of the line. Maibe A,kad,nig.
We all wait 4 years 2 watch the olympics and most athletes prepare 4 much longer. Lets all enjoy each victory both 4 the athlete n their nation.
Thumping the chest is interpreted to mean congratulating oneself. Jack Rhoga cannot impose his interpretation on anybody. Sam Jones, Freetown, Sierra Leone.
@ RAW
Which comments are you speaking of???
I think Etson (St.Vincent) said it best.
@Etson I am from High Wycombe
Bolt was respectful to the end. He kept to his lane in all races. Peter Accra
Usain was very disrepectful indeed,his collegues had to look for him to shake his hands
Pls media shuld stop throwing dust in our eyes ’n’ears, whats wrong with him celibrating d way he feels, what abt those who celibrated by crying, Idrissin Ghana.
We all wait 4 years 2 watch the olympics and most athletes prepare 4 much longer. Lets all enjoy each victory both 4 the athlete n their nation. R Mugo, Kenya
Let Hussain Bolt and the Jamaicans have their day in the sun he just won 2 gold medals and broke 2 world records. Since when should ppl be meloncholic when they win gold? Brian in Namibia
If he was an american, there would b no harm in what he did. Pls give me a break. Presley, Nigeria
The only bad way of winning is cheating. Give the guy a break he not only won but is a double record breaker. Pamela – Swaziland
The sprints are a catch-me-if-you-can affair. Those he ran against should have congratulated him Peter Accra
@ Anthony,
the ones in response to Indian stereotypes!
My personal take on this is that this discussion is a waste of precious time. pls where is it written anywhere how to celebrate when you win? pls lets give this great guy a break. what of the footballers who do 3 4 flips after scoring a goal. why is this an issue?brigitte lagos nigeria
I go with Jack Rogge-Usain Bolt is a show off! He should learn to respect others- I hp he’s clean! Jenner,freetwn,sierra leond
Has anyone watched how footballers who score goals celebrate these days? Things are changing. Jim Wright, Freetown, Sierra Leone.
@ david wasike,
What’s the point, really? So, he does not shake their hands! Big deal! He was excited! People are just jealous! Plain and simple! I could have done without his antics nearing the tape in the 100m but I concede that this was his moment in the Sun! Most people only get that once! He was using all available opportunities to celebrate himself. Why deny this?…People can be so terrible, sometimes!
@ Vanessa & Kevin
Seriously, if you want a fun topic, you should check out my latest thread.
@ Steve & Dan
You two are also welcome, as is everyone else on this thread
http://anarchyjack-manifestosfromthedecline.blogspot.com/2008/08/letter-to-prime-minister-kaczinski-of.html
There is no rule against what he did. Let the man celebrate! Its his moment. At this rate, Kobe Bryant might be next on the chopping board for an easy and fancy slum dunk!
@ Anthony
I agree – Mythbusters ROCKS
One bad way of winning is through using drugs, not what that guy did.
Pls leave that guy alone he is the best. Dankyi Ansong from Ghana.
Bolt bolted to success and that’s it. There is absolutely nothn wrong with his style. Pls don’t turn athletes into robots. He didn’t disrespct anyone.
Jack rogue i think its time you retired. Let Bolt celebrate he will be out some day. Gabriel, nairobi, kenya
Jack shld retract his statement concerning BOLT, is he saying if messi rounds an entire defense n scores he shldn’t celebrate? Roland Kallon, monrovia
The IOC chief shud not take sides.Bolt won with rocket speed.if u dont like him,too bad.he didnt break any rules.why dont u critisize the losers.MUBIKA-ZAMBIA
World have your say is not an ordinary programme, it is a winner. It does not discuss ordinary things or people, but the extraordinary. Jamaica thanks you for discussing our young and not so experienced son on your world winning programme. With so many of your callers in Usain’s corner, your programme gives him a third gold medal. You are both winners.
Huldah,Jamaica
Bolt would should have honoured the world by bowing in respect not chest thumping.Its a legacy watered down. Such behaviour raises eyebrows. There is a certain way we naturally expect people to carry themselves in every situation.
Jordan Kiprop from Kenya
In Sport,there is nothing greater than winning an Olympic gold medal but to win two and both in world record time is monumental! Why shouldnt he then goahead and celebrate? I know people who do a chicken dance after winning only a chocolate bar! Give the young lad a break! Muganzi Mark in Uganda
Hussain Bolt should’ve done more than that. He should’ve rolled over thrice for finishing far ahead of the likes of Asafa Powel. Robert Nyarko, Apam-Ghana.
I’ve seen American sprinters actually talking to each other to the finish line ahead of the chasing pack in a 100m race about a couple of years ago, andnoone had any issues with that so why try to find fault with Bolt? He’s a great athlete who’s achieved a great feat. Let him be. Asare, Ghana.
I dont see anything wrong with the way the young lad celebrated. We need more athletes like him who bring fun to the sport. Blackson Zambia.
When you so something right, people speak. When you do something wrong, people still speak. In africa we conclud this as jealosy. He who merits, merits despite the dayings. More grace on the elbows of those who have merited medals on the JO, WOW!!!
@ Huldah, Jamaica!
LARGE UP yuhself mi fren’! Done know! To di worl’!
Jacques Rogge is a wimp, plain and simple! With much more important issues at stake in China regarding this Olympics, he uses the power of his office to detract, in some small way, from the greatness of Usain Bolt’s achievements. Way beyond the fact that small countries like ours, without all the ‘First World’ resources, are able to produce stars of this ilk, the head of IOC uses his office to deal another blow to small countries.
Get over the fact that both Usain and Asafa have each been tested for more than ten times this year and the fact that Jamaica’s athletic prowess is being considered as questionable, from no less a person than the disgraced Victor Conte, the IOC president fails, or chooses to fail, to see how Bolt’s natural ebulience can serve to reignite interests in the sports. What is the deal with these double standards where we claim the playing field is level, yet we target some people, especially those unable to defend themselves in a similar way and not other?
What Rogge fails to see is that the more he denigrates real talent and genuine efforts to bring back positive attention to Track and Fields Athletics is the more compromised and tainted his leadership of the IOC appears to be. I, for one, am not impressed with him, not just on the China issue but also because he insists on playing politics in the interests of another kind of showboating which is even worse – political grandstanding as a substitute for real work! SHAME ON YOU, JACQUES ROGGE!
WOOOHOOOO, You go Bolt!!!
And good points about Jacques Rogge.
Anthony said:
@ RawYeah, I don’t really care about the Olympics. I’d rather see countries compete in:-Best Produce
-Military Exercises
-Construction
-Computer programming/hackingThat would be MUCH MORE interesting.
Come on, whether you really care about the olympics or not,
can’t we appreciate all the time, effort and energy that athletes put into the olympics?
Can’t we just be happy and give them their moment of glory!
Some people sound like they just have sour grapes!
Giving them their moment of glory will not take away from the glory that should be given to Scientists and others for world achievements.
And, you never know how that athlete is going to effect the lives of others in a positive manner.
I wonder if some people’s opinion would change if, say, Bolt financially supported research projects and charities.
I mean,
Since Lance Armstrong has given much publicity to cancer research, I am sure that those who (formerly might have dismissed him because cycling is not nearly as important as life/death), now support him.
BTW., military exercises and construction would have quite a bit of athleticism involved in their successes.
How many beams can I lift — sounds like weight lifting to me.
The produce thing would only work if we could distribute it among the less fortunate countries.
Then, we could test the fruits and vegetables for drugs that would enhance their size and color — instead of the people.
(smile)
Indeed, by doing this, Rogge is implicitly fanning the fames to suspicions about athletes from small countries like ours. It does not help matters that we cleaned up all the sprints and created history on three different occassions – the two world records in the men’s sprint double and the clean sweep in the women’s short sprint. Veronica Campbell-Brown would also have to be considered as having written her name into history, becoming only the second woman after Barbel Wockel to successfully defend the 200m sprint title at the Olympics. Why does Mr. Rogge wish to begrudge us of these accomplishments?
Let us not forget, these athletes give up everything to become Olympians of merit. There stories are, in many ways, the stories of the nation (of Jamaica!), though I will not make too much of this. Indeed, when you listened to their parents’ reactions on local TV and radio here, one cannot help but cry. The passion and commitment are clear. Jamaica’s love of athletics and the subsequent creation of stars has had a long and deep rooted history in this culture. Jacques Rogge’s attack on a twenty-two year old, the product of this story, is unwarranted, excessive and disingenious! He needs to retract his comments!
Jamaicans everywhere are proud of Usain’s fantastic victories. I strongly believe he was just enjoying the moment and his actions should not be taken out of context. It would have been nice if all the players gathered around in true sportmanship and shook hands but seriously, who has time for or even sees the other athletes after smashing a 12-year old world record??!! If I won something like that, God knows what I would have done….but the first thing that comes to mind is certainly not shaking hands with other players.
As it relates to other athletes showboating in the past, let the newspaper clippings and tv presentations speak for themselves. In comparison, some of those athletes should be considered a disgrace by IOC President, Jacque Rogge. So if one should comment against Usain’s method of celebrating, then they should also speak of those others… and that’s all I have to say about that!
@ jamily5,
Totally agree!! Totally!!!! I wish we could really all just chill. If Usain doesn’t do it for you, that’s life! That is not taking from your own achievements. We get it!
That being said, we are still very excited back here!
@ Raw
“Who says it even has to be in the same way? What will that achieve, in real terms? The equalising how attentions paid to science as to the Olympic Games and Usain Bolt, in particular?”
What will it achieve in real terms. Think of all the little Jamaican kids, who saw Usain run his 100m dash. After seeing the world’s reaction to him they are now all idolizing him and fantasizing about becoming olympic athletes themselves now. Instead of worrying about getting their homework done, they’re out in the park practising their sprints. By the time they graduate highschool, they will be failing most of their classes, and at this point, they’ll probably realize that only 10 out of 2.7 million Jamaicans actually become olympic athletes. What do they do now? They have no education, no skills, other than running the 100m dash at slightly slower than olympic pace. Well, in the states, that’s when they start collecting unemployment, and my tax dollars pay for their food and housing. Is this helpful to society? Think of all the wanna be rappers, ballers, and rockstars, who didn’t make it. Shouldn’t we really be teaching our kids to idolize someone else?
Rogge’s comments about Bolt’s win were despicable. Who is he to talk about how winners ought to act? Phelps pounds his chest, the volleyball players are screaming the whole game, hugging each other and falling to the ground in joy or sorrow.
Anyone who has run a hundred and been three strides in front of everyone else in the race, KNOWS where Usain was coming from.
Jacques Rogge i go for jacq rogge the olympics is not a one man’s show. usain bolt yes he did it. but should show some repect .
amadeo.
@ Keith
“I also like how you guys are acting like this is an argument…when we pretty much all agree that no one cares how he celebrates? Next topic!”
Good point! Some of us have the gift of being able to turn anything into an argument. Haha.
I find this topic is babbling. Usain is great and let him rock the way he likes to. Jack, A Letter to Kazcinski is something, that’s a topic to read. I think there goes the last human voice really.
@ Nick in the USA,
The great part about all that you have said is that it is neither true nor even useful, let alone valid, in the context of the self same “debate” that you criticise. For that I am grateful.
Of much more significance, however, is that you have engaged in the discussion! How wonderful! Probably, now there can be a useful exchange of information, whether on the Olympics – American as you are and, therfore, indifferent to these issues, or even Jamaica, God forbid Jacques Rogge.
Of interest also is the clear bias in some of the remarks about what constitutes a ‘good discussion’. I feel no pains with this one, I must say! Even if it is about an athlete who, incidentally, happens to be Jamaican! Unfortunately for us, Jacques Rogge has not commented on the implied threat to protesters that reporters like Mark write about, or Heaven’s forbid, the likelihood of underage athletes on china’s gymnastic team. Nope. Scratch all of that he had to go for the juggular – Usain Bolt, the Jamaican!
World Record Holder!
I guess I will give my two cents…(it’s been awhile since I have posted)
Not to reiterate what has been said, but Mr. Rogge has forgotten one important fact. The Olympics is about showcasing the diversity and unity of the world through sports. This means that you have to embrace the customs of different people as they themselves seek to learn the customs of the world.
To quote Mr. Rogge…..”I think he should show more respect for his competitors and shake hands, give a tap on the shoulder to the other ones immediately after the finish and not make gestures like the one he made in the 100 metres.” First off, I have watched many races and it is the other competitors who tend to go over and shake the hand or pat the shoulder of the winner. Men (esp here in Jamaica) do not hug, so that is out of the question (again, thats our way…don’t hate). Did the other athletes come over and congratulate him? If not, why then. I have no problem with how the race was won or how he performed.
Again to quote Mr. Rogge….”I understand the joy. He might have interpreted that in another way, but the way it was perceived was ‘catch me if you can’. You don’t do that. But he’ll learn. He’s still a young man.”
No you do not understand the joy. Where are your medals from your olympic victory? Where are your World Records? The last I checked, the IOC is still reeling from drug scandals of the past. Rogge’s way of celebrating the olympics will be to pop some champagne and have caviar with his elitist friends. They are far more suited for lawn tennis, golf or squash, not the world of athletics where athletes train to be the biggest and the best. He has no comment for the way others (esp Americans – no offence) have celebrated, but he thinks he can play the big bad wolf and scare athletes who are not from World Superpowers. Well guess what Rogge, without the athletes and their fierce rivalry, you wouldn’t have a job.
There are so many wrongs with the Olympics this year from lip syncing 7 years olds, to television coverage being delayed to or non-existent in some areas, to corporate sponsors who dictate when swimmers swim in order to protect their bottom line. If Rogge is so concerned about the “Spirit of the Games” he should then be championing the Olympics being broadcast to all corners of the world so there can be inclusiveness, and that athletes who have performed to their utmost not be disqualified for meaningless actions when the overall effort was not disturbed in any way (making reference to the mockery that was the result of the men’s 200m). I think it is time that the athletes and the fans take back their sport from these bureaucrats and technocrats who spent more time trying to make deals with media companies than ensuring that the deals struck with the host country would be adhered to.
And that is my two cents.
Nick Wrote:
What will it achieve in real terms. Think of all the little Jamaican kids, who saw Usain run his 100m dash. After seeing the world’s reaction to him they
are now all idolizing him and fantasizing about becoming olympic athletes themselves now. Instead of worrying about getting their homework done, they’re
out in the park practising their sprints. By the time they graduate highschool, they will be failing most of their classes, and at this point, they’ll
probably realize that only 10 out of 2.7 million Jamaicans actually become olympic athletes. What do they do now? They have no education, no skills, other
than running the 100m dash at slightly slower than olympic pace. Well, in the states, that’s when they start collecting unemployment, and my tax dollars
pay for their food and housing. Is this helpful to society? Think of all the wanna be rappers, ballers, and rockstars, who didn’t make it. Shouldn’t we
really be teaching our kids to idolize someone else?
Come on Nick, a gift is a gift!
I am more concerned about the children who have no goals at all… …
Those children who strive for “nothing,” and Yes, I know some children who have no goals at all and their only aim in life is to “hang out with friends.”
There are careers where physical fitness is important. They could transfer their physical abilities into a job.
And, if many children idolize Bolt so much, why not capitalize on it and help him to be a good role model: … …
stay in school, reach for your dreams, give back to the community etc.
Not everyone can be Isaac Newton or Bill Gates, either.
People learn to strive for a goal and they have to modify it, if need be.
Many children can idolize a sprinter, yet still keep their mind.
General George Patton said,
“An active mind can’t survive in an inactive body.”
http://www.motivationalquotes.com
Nick, how many Jamaicans (or people in general) do you know that fall into this “tax dollar taking” category — and I’m talking personally?
Have you spoken to them personally and they have told you that they only wanted one thing and since they can’t have it: they must do nothing, but take your tax dollars.
Libraries and internet are great places to expand one’s education… … (internet with caution).
@ larz hendrixson…I will forgive you. You are just a bitter old man who deserves to join the local country club with Mr. Rogge and clap mildly when you favourite golfer makes par on a hole. Go dig a hole and bury yourself under it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bolt’s actions. If he was a disrespectful pompous windbag as you suggest, then
a. when asked if he thought he would break the 100m record he would have responded yes..
b. when he finished the race, he would not have been celebrating the efforts of his fellow countryman Germaine Mason (who does high jump for Great Britain)
I find you all so bigotted when it comes to the events. Go and check youtube and all those other sites for the reactions of athletes after they have won events and you will see Bolt was mild in comparison. We do not come from a country which has had many olympic golds in recent times, esp from the men. Yes he was elated, not since Donald Quarrie at the Montreal Olympics in 1976 has a Jamaican male won any gold and better yet, he is the first to have won both the 100m and 200m sprint double since Carl Lewis at the 1984 games. Is he #1?, yes he is. Did he have a right to celebrate? Yes he did. Athletes have been celebrating victory for as long as competition has been around..thats the nature of competition.
And for those of you who don’t understand the term: Competition
a. The act of competing
b. Rivalry
c. A test of skill
d. A contest
e. An event in which people compete against the opposition
I find it interesting that Rogge said he should have gone around and shaken hands with everyone. For one thing, that could be seen as condescending by some (Thank you very much for competing in the race with me. Good race, I look forward to our next meet. Congratulations.) I can see that those who are bitter have never truly competed, else they know that some athletes in their so called gesture of Goodwill are actually taunting their opponents. Why then doesn’t Rogge read into those, since he is the master of misinterpretation and give one of his epic speeches on sportsmanship.
If you want something to talk about, why not talk about the fourth and fifth place runners who were elevated to 2nd and 3rd and didn’t even have the balls on a matter of principle to stand up and say they would not accept the medals they did not earn. Then you would have truly seen the Olympic spirit at work. However, by their very actions, they have proven that the Olympics isn’t abotu good sportsmanship, but about winning and standing at that podium at all costs. Or how about the American athlete who realised he wasn’t good enough to run for third place in the men’s 100m so he dove to the finish line, thereby securing a medal. Isn’t that unsportsmanlike, winning at all odds. Where is the epistle according to Rogge on that one? None will be forthcoming because Rogge doesn’t want to upset the Americans and lose his prestigious position.
Be real people this is the Olympics. The day TV right became more important than the welfare of the athletes signalled the death of the Olympic spirit and heralded the truly competitive nature of the event. I don’t despise the Americans for showboating (sticking out tongue etc.) when they win and I certainly don’t despise those who stand up for principles. What I do despise are bureaucrats who have never competed a day in their lives telling true athletes how to celebrate.
Oh yeah and one more thing Mr. Rogge. Instead of worrying about Usain Bolt, worry about your own country Belgium. To quote you once again “That’s not the way WE perceive being a champion,”
a. who is we, cause I don’t see anyone else standing with you
b. to perceive means to come to an understanding of. As a Belgian you can’t perceive what your country can’t achieve….not even a bronze in the whole Olympics? How then can you perceive being champions?
I now have the evidence that he is just bitter because a country as little as Jamaica has achieved so much and his big European homeland is just a spectator country at the games (no offence to the other countries which have not medalled. I have great love for you, i just detest and despise that despicable man who is trying to kill the spirit of the games just so he can look famous.)
lawd…dem not even know how dem flying fish jump in de pan 2 dem plate…
@steve — well, with roots in a small african nation-state, i can empathise with my jamacian cousins, and yes mr. rogge comments in my african view are racist.
the factor that there have been 235 postings to point on the subject speak to themselves…and there is not such thing as free speech since any speech has a price that much be paid. even more so in now with the blog space speech that never goes away unlike carbon dioxide and monoxide laced vocal speech which still is not admissible in court unless some recording device is within range.
but ask yourself this question, if mister rogge has a problem with mister bolt’s post victory manner why did he not address it ‘internally’ between the IOC and the Jamacian sports committee? why did he [rogge] make it a media item and attempt to take attention off the victor?
Simple fact here is that this Jamacian man is now to be the male face of running and racing of the IOC. So,that means, the Nike, Reebok, etc. folks will be coming with cheque books ready to pay if they wish to have their cash registers play a sound of making money from the populace acquiring Bolt endorsed mechandise.
Rogge’s commentary was racist on two fronts – first, attempting to impose a diminished view of Bolt and thereby cut the economic marketing potential that his features are destine to reap and second, a reflection of his internal Belgium hate of Africans or any black person. And it goes without saying for every quid that Bolt or the Jamacian sports committee is getting the IOC will get four.
He [Rogge] is of the stock material like his fellow country men who murdered Patrice Lumumba of the Congo [along with the white Brits and whites from the northern Americas within the US]. Think about it next time you are consuming a Kinshasa or Bukavu chocolate bar packaged in Antwerp. So, yeah, Rogge should be fined monetarially and he should be made to make a formal apology to the people of Jamacia. I am sure we can arrange a live forum in Kingston, Trenchtown to be precise and have it be broadcast to the nation and world for those who are unable to attend personally.
him did it cause him roti is spicy
him did it cause him sorrel is sweet
him did it cause him rice & peas
makes him move like flying fish
across da breeze
him did it cause Hugo was not nuff wind
him did it cause him destine 2 win
him did it cause his granny coconut cake
is always great…
him did it cause ITAL and Kingston
is all it takes….
Mr. Rogge would not have dared to make such a statement about an American athlete. That is a fact!
I don’t know if that is racist but it is something just as toxic… like a feeling of superiority and a belief that he held power over small countries.
I am very happy that this is being discussed at length.
@ Jamily5
“Not everyone can be Isaac Newton”
When is the last time you heard someone say that they wanted to be the next Newton or Einstein? When is the last time you heard someone say they wanted to be the next Lebron James or Tracy McGrady.
“Libraries and internet are great places to expand one’s education… … (internet with caution).”
I’m not sure if this was an attempt at humility, but I’m an engineer and I graduated cum laude.
“An active mind can’t survive in an inactive body.”
Same here, and I exercise 5 times/ wk. My problem is not with sports or physical fitness. My problem is a society that places more importance on professional athletic achievements than we do on academic achievements. Don’t believe me? Ask 10 people these two questions today:
1) Who invented the smallpox vaccination?
2) Name someone who played on the Chicago Bulls in the 90’s
One of these people made a breakthrough that saved millions of lives, and the other can throw an orange ball into an orange circle better than most. Are these achievements equal? Nope, but everyone will know the name of the ballboy and nobody will know the Doctor.
P.S. If you don’t know the answer to #1, i’m not tellin’, haha. You’ll have to google it.
In order to win, a person has to win with dignity. The way to win with dignity is to treat the defeated with respect and dignity they deserve.
@ Nick in America,
This is an American phenomenon. Many other countries value brains more than brawn. Evidence: nerds (future scholars) are not cool in school, pop stars (movie stars, winning atheletes, people who can talk and project an outstanding personality) are cool role models for kids.
Chess game and classical music are popular hobbies amongst common people in Europe. Not here. Both hobbies need a certain amount of knowledge, thinking and spiritual foundation to enjoy.
Rogge would do well to confine himself to answering the question why the Beijing Olympics have been made into a venue for any kind of celebration at all. The Dalai Lama has announced the death of 147 Tibetans, shot for anti-Chinese protests in Tibet; a further 1200 (approximately) continue to languish in prisons such as the notorious Drapchi torture-house in Lhasa.
So Bolt made a mischievous joke on the track? And this is what draws Rogge’s fire? Good God, man!
I asked a simple question yesterday:
“Is there another record to BOLT?”
Well there was and it has been Bolt-ed?
Now, let’s see if Jacques Rogge will be able to “survive” this latest upper-cut.
Usain Bolt! What a bolt!
He has achieved a tremendous task, broke 2 world records on an olympic stage, and thats some thing to righteously celebrate. I saw his run and after he crossed first and knew that he done something special, he slept faced upwards on the track. All the other athletes finished by that time and if they had some appreciation for his performance, they should have gone up to him and congratulated him immediately, but they didnt!
What would be going on in the mind of Bolt at that moment on such a big stage? He was ecstatic!! and he wished to celebrate and show off his patriotism. I dont see anything wrong in that!
He was the man of the moment!
Appreciate him.
I think two-week-wonders with gongs amount to precisely that. Who is best over 52 weeks is all that matters. And that is why there are no gongs for it. As they say Stateside <>.
@Roberto
I do not claim to know everything about sport(american english :sports),however I did play Cricket , Hockey and chess(captain)for
my high school and wrestled in college(and kept stats for the college basketbal team)’did a bit of taekwondo on the side and of course played soccer, basketball ,rugby ,flag football and softball recreationally.I was asked to join my local swimming team in the UK,however I (with hindsight to my regret)turned the opportunity down ,because at the time I thought swimming was a bit wimpy.
I have tried ski jumping, alpine skiing and cross country skiing(my mother is Finnish)
My dad was in contention for the 1948 and 1952 Olympics,however the Indian IOC prefers to send officials and if there is any money left over they will send some athletes(2008: population 1.2 Billion, Olympic team 56)
Bolt break world record & he deserve the way he want to celebrate his victory as long as he is not breaking the olympic rules. He is not the only one all Jamica is celebrating his victory in the same way.
His competitor’s suppose to gave up cry baby attitute & learn little more about sportsman sprit which is loosing with honour & dignity.
Rogge, needs to go do his job and focus on more important things. When did they make it an official rule at the olympics for all athletes to shake hands immediately after the track and field, swimming and other meets. This stiff neck, bias man rogge is just picking on Bolt. What about Phelps, i didn’t see him shaking any hands after he won. He was screaming and enjoying his dominance at the game. Why shouldn’t bolt celebrate in his own way. He was not stripping and doing anything illegal. Mohamed Ali used to shout, “I am the greatest” after winning a boxing match. Bolt has the right to shout, I am # 1. That’s the truth, he is #1. He worked hard for this and need to be victorious and enjoy himself.
If Rogge has a conscience he will admit that he is a very bias winer, who wants to dictate how Usain should enjoy himself. I think Rogge needs to hand over the baton to a more exciting and unbias person. Get a life “Mr.” Rogge! Go back to your golf course and let us enjoy the games!
To Rogge, Bolden uto or whatever, and all the other critics of Bolt, go find something more important to do! Think before you talk and pass unfair judgement. Big up Bolt and nuff respect to a most deserving achievement, oh! sorry, achievements. Three cheers for Lightning!!!
Who ever says critisises bolt over his celebration is just jealous of his performance. When you win gold, which is your dream and has become successful you would certainly go crazy. One who critisizes and never won anything fairly and has no taste of real hard work victory.
Mr Rogge have you ever won something fairly? Do you know how it feels when you win olympic gold? huh