We’re not singing….

Euro 2008 is just around the corner and England aren’t there.
Despite the fact that a total of ten Englishmen turned out for Manchester United and Chelsea in the Champions’ League Final – arguably the biggest football match in the world this year – the England football team failed to qualify .

 So what do England fans do ? Support Poland ? Try to spark a small war so that someone has to drop out, and we sneak in ?

The fact is, Champions’ League Final aside, this year fewer players than ever in the English Premier League are actually English . Is this a problem ?
Sepp Blatter,  the head of FIFA, thinks it is and will be putting forward his proposal   to limit the number of foreign players a club is allowed to field at a press conference in Sydney tomorrow;

Do you agree with him? Is it time to curb the number of foreigners a club is allowed to play ?

 Or do you think clubs should be allowed to field whichever players take their fancy, regardless of nationality?

 Let us know what you think and tune in to Newshour’s discussion tomorrow with former Chelsea footballer, Pat Nevin.


12 Responses to “We’re not singing….”

  1. 1 Will Rhodes
    May 29, 2008 at 17:40

    Limit is the way forward in the short term.

    In England there needs to be more investment in the game right from the grass roots!

    Schools used to put so much emphasis on the game, as well as Cricket, Rugby – but I hear that the PC brigade don’t like the competitiveness in schools which is ridiculous!

    Start leagues if they are not there and get all clubs involved to bring the talent through.

  2. 2 Francis (Seattle)
    May 29, 2008 at 18:21

    I feel that proposing a retriction on the allowing of foriegn players is outrageous. The English Premier league is arguably the best football on Television right now… Refusing Talent would just make these talented individuals go elswhere to La Liga or Serie A. It would dethrone the Premier League as the worlds most popular football

  3. 3 Mark Sandell
    May 29, 2008 at 18:26

    Hi Francis, i think the point is that clubs will be allowed to buy as many players they like, but will have a cap on how many they can actually play. And the rules will apply across all clubs in whatever country. It may – if it happens- strengthen some leagues currently weakened by their homegrown talent playing abroad (France might be a good example).

  4. 4 Vijay
    May 29, 2008 at 19:13

    If you want to see what English football would be like with restrictions just look at English county cricket they work on the priniple of jobs for the boys(only one foriegn player allowed per team).There wouldn’t have been any need for the IPL and ICL if cricket in the UK had been more inclusive and commercial.
    It is unlawful and unfair to restrict EU nationals from working in member countries. The quality of the football would decrease. Footballers would be paid less, facilities for fans would be poorer ,the media coverage would be less and corruption would increase.
    England have always had plenty of players at senior level to be successful, It was just that the FA were poor in selecting managers.
    Ìt is the International game that has to change not the club game . The World Cup every two years and past winners do not need to qualify.

  5. May 29, 2008 at 19:14

    Hello Precious Mark… In my opinion giant English football clubs with all their lights of fame, money, and ‘celebrity industry’ have turned English football into a trade rather than a sport and caused soooo much harm than good to the future of the game in England… I do believe that you guys down there in England must focus all of your time, your money, and your efforts on less well-known English football clubs from which always good young talents arise if given enough support and care… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna (a proud Iraqi Hammer!)

  6. May 29, 2008 at 19:16

    There is what they call talent and learning the two things have a great impact on any issue in question.Most of England soccer players learnt football I don’t know wether from some class room in fulham or any academy.When you have such players expect little when it comes to international competitions here is an example of two countries;
    Brazil,Germany and most African countries, all of these countries have got almost 90% of the players totaly talented in the field of football non of them was tought how to kick the ball or how to defend they just know how to do it it’s part of their life.

    When talking of Champions league having whatever English players in the final,that can’t justify any thing.The question is what did they do? Where they the out standing players? I keep on telling people that any one can do any thing as longer as you work with peolpe who know it, for example am sure I can be a good surgion if I work with the proffesionals in the field for some good time, those English players you are talking about had people with talent on the pitch so the impact on the game could almost be nothing.
    English friends of mine am of the view that you change and may be start participating in Asian nations cup because you may not compete with the rest of the continents not untill you bring on pitch people of talents on academy, be like what France.

  7. 7 Mark Sandell
    May 29, 2008 at 19:24

    Fair point Stodart but if you’d seen the game, i don’t think you’d have said that Messrs Terry,Lampard, Ferdinand,Carrick, Rooney, Hargreaves and Cole had little impact on the match.
    And you talk of an academy system like France Stodart but that hasn’t stopped the best French talent (Henry, Trezeguet, Anelka, Vieira etc) all playing away from their home country.
    And as, like Lubna, a “proud Hammer”, we have an academy at Upton Park and 4 of the names above came through it, only to leave when the big clubs came in.

  8. 8 Will Rhodes
    May 29, 2008 at 19:43

    That’s what I mean with grass roots, Mark – but even before the clubs come in we need to get competitive sport back into schools.

    I missed the extra-time and penalties in the European final – but having two English teams there was an achievement in itself. How anyone can say that Ferdinand, Terry, Rooney, Lampard even are not great players is beyond me.

    Hargreaves has a little way to go and so does Carrick – but both will be really good players in the near future.

    The national team needs more time together and, unfortunately with the amount of games played in the EPL, if that means a smaller league then so be it.

    I am sure the Hammers would get promoted pretty quickly 😉 J/k

  9. 9 Jens
    May 29, 2008 at 19:52

    the biggest joke is Arsenal, those guys should be playing in the french league. what was it on average they had 0.78 english players on the pitch. the 4 plus of manchester positivly sounds like an old boys club

  10. 10 ZK
    May 30, 2008 at 01:42

    I have to declare an interest: the team I support, Liverpool, holds the second-worst average of English players, with only Arsenal worse off.

    Still, I think limits are a good thing. See where Scotland is going? (Something Pat Nevin can surely attest to, being Scottish) Five (or was it six?) Scottish teams played every single game meeting the criteria of 6 home-grown players — something no English team achieved. And then compare the results: Scotland beat France twice and only barely missed out on Euro qualification; England were embarrassed by the likes of Israel and Croatia.

    Mark, West Ham need to do a better job of keeping your youngsters. I think letting Curbs go might be a good idea too — his teams never seem to go anywhere (remember Charlton permanently hanging around in mid-table?)

  11. 11 Mark Sandell
    May 30, 2008 at 13:10

    Thanks Will, and ZK ; these rules wouldn’t affect the Hammers too badly- we could field an all-English team (Green,Tomkins,Ferdinand,Upson,Ward,Collison,Noble,Dyer,Bowyer,Sears,Ashton,Zamora etc) and i hope we hang on to the emerging talents of Sears and Noble.
    And ZK, as Martin Samuel said this week, Liverpool may not play many English players but how badly would they be affected by losing Carragher and Gerrard ?

  12. 12 Emile Barre
    May 31, 2008 at 14:51

    Football is about a ball not a flag.

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