Talking points for 30th May

We leave you now in the capable hands of Steve in Virginia, and ZK in Singapore. This is your chance to suggest what you’d like us to talk about on Friday’s programme…….

37 Responses to “Talking points for 30th May”

  1. 1 steve
    May 29, 2008 at 20:15

    Good evening. I will be here on and off tonight, as I am going on a bike ride and have some things to do. Heard this story on the radio:


    NY Governor will honor same sex marriages from other states (though NY will not permit same sex marriages). Conservative groups are complaining that it will remove from the sanctity of marriage, however they still don’t seem to worry about the 50%+ divorce rate.

  2. May 29, 2008 at 20:18

    Hello to both of you Precious Steve and Precious ZK… I’ve just finished eating a big dish of very delicious macaroni and here I am waiting for the generator’s guy to give us electricity ! Actually two stories from the BBC Middle East page have caught my Iraqi eyes today : 1-Iraqi father seeks Black Water apology, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7243638.stm 2-Haditha court material trial begins, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7424090.stm … My Precious Steve is an American lawyer, so surely his opinion will be so valuable in that regard ! With my love.. Yours forever, Lubna…

  3. 3 steve
    May 29, 2008 at 20:22

    More consequences of the obesity epidemic:

    Medevac services requesting the dimensions of patients before picking them up by helicopter


    So long as we keep the “obesity is a disease, hence I’m not responsible for my choices” this is only going to get worse.

  4. May 29, 2008 at 20:37

    Hello again Precious Steve… Our Internal Medicine textbook is Davidson’s (a British classy medical reference), and during my 3rd year in medical school (which was last year!) I studied obesity as a part of the Internal Medicine curiculum for the 3rd year… With my love… Yours forever, Lubna…

  5. 5 steve
    May 29, 2008 at 20:53

    Hi Lubna. I don’t know much about the Military Code of Justice, so I cannot really comment on military law.

    Oh! In honor of Sex and the City Movie being released tomorrow, http://www.sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com

    May that movie bomb like no other movie has ever bombed before.

  6. May 29, 2008 at 21:03

    Thanks sooooo much for your reply Precious Steve… But regarding the 1st case (the Iraqi father’s case) I do think -if I weren’t mistaken- that his case will be looked upon by an American civilian court, so what do you think ?! With my love… Yours forever, Lubna…

  7. 7 Dennis
    May 29, 2008 at 21:56

    Hi Steve & ZK….

    Along with my other friends……

    *Regarding the New York State Governor David Patterson decision to accept other states licenses on “GAY” Marriages….I am very since if you read between the lines…
    [interest of full disclosure: that is the state i live in]…..

    *Hi Lubna, we all LOVED YOU as a friend to US! And we pray and send our thoughts to you!

    *i found an interested story about Bush’s [current] aide Scott McClellan’s new book about how Bush’s thinks and acts….

  8. 8 Dennis
    May 29, 2008 at 22:05

    From last night [29 May 2008]–Talking Points….

    I saw the story about Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel problems and the possibly of being charged with criminal offences [e.g. he has not been charged and is still innocent]….

    According to testimony so far: From an U.S. Businessman, he [Olmert] like money [cash] instead of checks…..

    Madrid, U.S.A.

  9. May 29, 2008 at 22:32

    Oh my God Precious Dennis ! THANKS A MILLION to you my good friend… But why did you use the past tense “We all LOVED you as a friend to us” ?! I do hope that LOVE does still exist ! :-)… From my part, I can tell you that my love to ALL Precious WHYSayers does still exist and will always last Inshallah ! :-)… But Precious Dennis, can I ask where you actually live ?! In Madrid-Spain or in the US ?! With my love… Yours forever, Lubna…

  10. 10 Will Rhodes
    May 29, 2008 at 22:41


    Tony Blair is devoting the rest of his life to religion! 😐

  11. May 29, 2008 at 23:01

    Well Precious Will, let’s hope God will forgive him ! :-)… After all, politics has no god ! With my love… Yours forever, Lubna…

  12. May 29, 2008 at 23:03

    @Gay Marriage. I have said it before and I will keep saying it. Careful what you wish for people. With “Same Sex Marriages come Same Sex Divorces.” You know considering Washington and politics is mostly populated by lawyers, I can’t believe there has been a resistance to adding these arrangements. Got to figure they would welcome the increase client pool. On the same line of thought, if the gay community wants to see same sex marriages legalized, they should encourage their supporters and members of their community to become divorce lawyers. Dry up the supply and the lawyers will start looking for more a way to increase demand.

    @ Blackwater Apology. The people associated with this particular case are willing and able to come to a court and get retribution. What reaction can we expect from the families of people who were unjustly killed and don’t have access to this type of compensation. In this country we can’t even have a natural disaster with out feeling the need to blame somebody.

    @ sex and the city- Steve you have a tall request to have it be the biggest bomb ever. It has to beat out Gili. That mad it to Wednesday of the first week.

  13. May 29, 2008 at 23:09

    @ Will

    Tony probably thinks he has a lot of ground to make up after the last 6 years. He figures he better not waste anytime. I would think he is right to worry.

  14. 14 Dennis
    May 29, 2008 at 23:23


    No Problem, I get asked that question many times over the years…..

    It is located in New York State!


    [look for on wikipedia]

    [that will change this weekend!]


  15. 15 Dennis
    May 29, 2008 at 23:24


    [and my other friends]

    It is located in Upstate New York

    [it is located on WIKIPEDIA]

    Madrid, U.S.A.

  16. May 29, 2008 at 23:40

    Hey Precious Dennis from Madrid, USA… And THANKS ALOT for the information my good friend ! :-)… Inshallah I’ll get the chance to visit the American Madrid one day… Is it beautiful Precious Dennis ?! With my love… Yours forever, Lubna…

  17. 17 Dennis
    May 30, 2008 at 00:51

    For Lubna and everyone else!

    Madrid, New York–is a very beautiful town located in the County of St. Lawrence..
    Once a year, we have “BLUEGRASS” FESTIVAL [Music]…..

    In Waddington, New York, every year—they have a CARP FISHING TOURNAMENT….

    [Until a few days ago, we lost our bridge that takes us, from our main route to the town centre–State of New York is telling us, that we could be without a bridge for the next several years.]

    That means we have go over 20 miles to the town that use too take only 6 miles to the post office…

    It is “semi-rural” part of the county…


    PS: Lubna, are you going to medical school?

  18. 18 ZK
    May 30, 2008 at 01:34

    Will: Well, that’s a surprise. (Sarcasm, in case you couldn’t tell.)

    This story caught my eye: Bahrain has named the Arab world’s first Jewish ambassador. Ms Hoouda Nonoo has been named envoy to Washington. Implications for MidEast and for Bahrain’s relations in the region as a key U.S. ally?

  19. May 30, 2008 at 01:39

    So what is the deal with all of these people coming out after the Bush administration has nearly reached its end and talking about the things that we have always suspected. You have people like Powell, Tenent, and Now Scott McClellan all making after the fact allegations. Why didn’t they speak up before 4000 plus Americans died and millions of Iraqis lives were scared forever?

  20. 20 Amy
    May 30, 2008 at 02:40

    Greetings from Oregon to all my WHYS friends…..

    My husband sent me this link:

    I think it is amazing and wonderful that there still are parts of this world untouched by outside influences.

    Time to feed the kids….bye for now!

    Amy in Beaverton, Oregon

  21. 21 Tino
    May 30, 2008 at 03:19

    -GM Foods

  22. 22 Dennis
    May 30, 2008 at 04:38

    Good night from New York!

    I am having problems with sending messages….


  23. 23 Virginia Davis
    May 30, 2008 at 05:35

    Eating disorders can be thought of as diseases. (dis-ease)

    There is only my sister and myself in my family. I am obese. My sister is an adult recovered anorexic.

    At one time, and that time she was brought from Seaside to St. Vincent’s here in Portland in an ambulance, she weighed 65 pounds. Her height is 4 feet 11 inches.

    My thought on our “emotional eating” is that my sister “kept everything out” and I, on the other hand, “take everything in.” This is the way we “were taught” by out mother, bless her, to live in the world.

    We are also survivors. We made a pact about 20 years ago that if either one of us died, the other would insist on an autopsy. My sister believed for some time that she did not need to drink water in order to live. She permanently damaged her heart by acting on this belief.

    My physical health is precarious at this time. Will I move back towards physical health? I don’t know. All week I have put off having my blood tested for a 3 month glucose test and a cholesterol test. I went to see my diabetes doctor and I knew I had a high glucose reading. I told her it was high. Her response was to increase my insulin. I am completely screwed up at this time and I wrote her an email and told her so.

    And, if you really want to get into, Steve, about self-destructive behavior – other than alcohol, illegal drugs, etc. – what about “cutters.” I have known in my life in what a number of you consider “the underworld/class” two women who cut themselves.

    I went crazy one time because I got a mailing from Social Security which said “your income will be cut 20%” and I took my pain and my anger and multiplied it by a class action letter, all on a Saturday, and went into the hospital.

    What about all these people in social services and in the mental health industry who make a very good living out of having a designated class of people who have to be taken care of? And all the American investors in pharmaceutical companies who make their vacations and 2nd homes from pushing drugs?

    Am I complaining? No, honey, I am just telling it like it is. When my boss died I weighed 175 and my diabetes was under control.

    And, as for faith, get off Tony Blair’s case. Even the Democrats, especially Obama, know that faith can be an important component of life.

    TPO, Virginia in Oregon

  24. 24 Venessa
    May 30, 2008 at 05:35

    @ Dwight,

    It’s funny you should bring that up. Former Bush administration employess probably didn’t speak out because they hadn’t found a personal gain from it. I’m sure they want to separate themselves from the criticism the Bush administration has been getting to set themselves up for future political gain and/or make some money while they’re at it.

  25. 25 Venessa
    May 30, 2008 at 06:22

    Re: Gay marriage

    What are people really afraid of? I don’t see why it matters if two consenting adults want to be married. I think there are much more important issues to grind an ax than discriminating against what people do in their personal life or whom they commit to.

    If conservative groups are using divorce rates for same sex marriages as the argument they should find a new one! I think the divorce rates in the US are somewhere around 60%. Sanctity of marriage? Sanctity of marriage applies to people who practice a religion that designates marriage as sacred. Almost all definitions of sanctity are related to religion. Is marriage really all that sacred when people divorce all the time and we live in a country where freedom of religion is practiced? Does everyone have to believe that marriage is holy?

    I had a non-denominational wedding…. Does that mean I should have not been able to get married because I didn’t include prayer and God in my ceremony? Doesn’t that degrade the sanctity of marriage? I guess not according to conservative groups since I married a man….

  26. 26 Zak
    May 30, 2008 at 07:59

    …what about “cutters.” I have known in my life in what a number of you consider “the underworld/class” two women who cut themselves.

    This really is a bizarre masochistic trend I also became aware of recently, not in the first person but a friend told me about people he knows who do it as Virginia brings up her knowledge. It may be similar to eating disorders, in a way they both result from inactivity of the brain, my friend says the ‘cutters’ he knows just spend all their time online and claim they do it for lack of ‘anything else to do’.

    Likewise it can be said that survival can drive you to do anything. Surviving disease is all I ask of my body, but I will not give in! EVER! Watching disease take your family away is a very angering experience but you can use that anger, you can hate that disease until you kill it and destroy the very potential of it. Try that for alternative medicine: pure hatred rechanneled – it works.

    I had a friend, an American Cherokee woman, who did this exact act without the malice. She slashed her wrists with a 2 inch pocket knife blade; but she was depressed from thinking she had HIV. Somehow she healed herself spending a night in a field of grass letting the Earth tend to her before she showed up at my house though, because her life got better and she finally got the nerve to get tested and came up negative for HIV. But I do believe this woman would frown on those who do this act out of shear boredom.

    So a topic could be inactivity of mind and body; in relating to disorders including masochism and eating, adults stuck in front of screens for more time than kids and that’s a lot in both cases. As I realize we’ve addressed the causes of obesity strictly already but brain inactivity is a much more serious issue.

  27. 27 Virginia Davis
    May 30, 2008 at 09:01

    “After 25 years in which the percentage of overweight children kept rising, new figures released by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. suggest the climb may have peaked. Statistics compiled in 2003-04 and 2005-06 reflect a leveling off, with roughly 32% of children overweight or obese.” Thursday, USA News In Brief, Christian Science Monitor

    Other items of note: 14,000 soldiers diagnosed with PTSD in 2007 – a 50% jump according to Army statistics. And as part of Minneapolis’ sesquicentennial, the arts commission has selected artists to design 10 drinking water fountains to reestablish such fountains as ‘central to the health and wealth of the city.’

    One more health fact from the Monitor: carbon footprints of cities: Portland, Vancouver, Beaverton is third smallest, LA 2nd and Honolulu first.

    Portland has the greatest water fountains: called Benson Bubblers. I have to retrieve my framed print (Tri-Met) of a bubbler from Steve Novick’s campaign office. Someone who I know considers me a friend replied when I said Steve had lost: Oh yeah, the dwarf with the steel hook for a hand. Ah the prejudices of the ignorant.

    Regarding cutters: “You can’t hurt me, I hurt myself.” The friend who accepts “I don’t have anything else to do” is not getting anything near a real story. I am going to see what wikipedia has for cutters, if anything. One of the women I know is a brilliant poet and she was generous to share with me her arms instead of the long sleeves she usually wears in public. It is not boredom, believe me, but a way to escape a lot of pain and anger. I am glad, Zak, your friend recovered and had a false positive for HIV/AIDS. I don’t think she would look down on other people in chronic pain, though.

    I agree about re-channeling. It is almost one. Time to check out Charlie Rose.
    I can only have water till I get my blood drawn tomorrow about 8 am.

    Virginia in Portland, OR

  28. 28 Bob in Queensland
    May 30, 2008 at 10:06

    If Tony Blair does for religion what he did for peace in the middle east, I can see a lot of converts to atheism happening very soon.

  29. 29 Katharina in Ghent
    May 30, 2008 at 10:12

    @ gay marriage:

    I will never understand why some people have such a hatred against gays… My mom, who is quite open in general, used to tell me that gay men cannot commit and just have one partner after the other – until I grew up, met a bunch of gays and realized that most of them essentially just want the same thing as the rest of us, to live happily in a functioning relationship.

    A marriage is essentially just a contract between two people who promise each other to assist one another and take care of each other, originally it also meant that the offspring would only be of the husband and that he in turn would care for his children. In today’s society, where plenty of married couples don’t want to have children anymore, this falls away.

    There are plenty of straight men out there who don’t find me attractive (as hard as that seems to believe), and I have to live with that 😉 , so what does it matter if the gay men join that club? I am married, and it has no influence on my marriage whether gays and lesbians get married too or not.

    As a side note: I remember when gay marriages became legal in Canada, a lesbian couple got divorced just a day after they got married, they thought that this could rescue their relationship. I guess when it comes to “the magic of weddings”, we all get a little bit delusional…

  30. 30 Katharina in Ghent
    May 30, 2008 at 10:19

    @ cutters:

    I think that this people basically have an underlying depression. I had a friend in Vienna many years ago who had tried to commit suicide when she was 16, after that she resorted to scratching her arms every now and then with razor blades until they started bleeding. She said it channeled her pain into something real… I believe she had problems to cope with the usual troubles of growing up. These people need therapy, just like people who eat/don’t eat because of their problems.

  31. 31 Mohammed Ali
    May 30, 2008 at 11:50

    Hi Steve and ZK, i have really being thinking about the statement made by American Actress, Sharon Stone, referring to the devasting earthquake in China which lives of almost one hundred thousand persons and destroyed properties worth billions of dollars. I can’t record the exact statement but it implies that the Chinese deserved the earthquake disaster because of their (The Chunese) treatment of the Tibetans.
    Is it really rational for a star like Ms. Stone or any prominent person to mock people still fighting to overcome the tragic loss of human lives?

  32. 32 Mohammed Ali
    May 30, 2008 at 12:47

    I was just reading the news on the BBC and came across this story “Missing Tribe Found in Brzail”.
    It is a fantastic story. Should the world preserve those kinds of tribes or modernise them?

  33. 33 steve
    May 30, 2008 at 14:27

    Everything that’s wrong with western society here in one little link


  34. May 30, 2008 at 14:59

    The Wasted Years
    TEHRAN –Following blindly former British prime minister Tony Blair’s steps for ten years, and, – in good faith –putting it in print, and hailing his every move as absolutely necessary, is baffling, to myself and outsiders: but considering the empty promises of the Conservatives and equally futile seventeen year reign, you may catch on by what I mean.
    Afghanistan, definitely, Britain must move in. Iraq, absolutely, it is all for the best. Then suddenly Sir Jeremy Greenstock, – former British representative in Baghdad – comes forward and complains that there is no coherence in the Coalition and no common goal wit the Americans.
    Then top diplomat Sir John Meyers reveals that Tony had been taking his briefs in the water closet. Then it emerged the prime minister, along with his army of aides and two million pound wardrobe and make-up kit moved swiftly on every issue, – what issue?
    Time and again, he professed ignorance on the Mideast, but the Diplomatic Corps knew how to capitalize on this weakness. Anyone and everyone who came to Tehran from London quipped: “We have the prime minister’s ear.” Red carpet treatment, London was in full control. Knighthood or Peerage, take your pick, Tony poured honours blindly on so many people who didn’t deserve it.
    The painful truth gradually emerged that Tony didn’t have a clue. All the talk of: “We are doing everything in unison and harmony with the Americans”, was just pep talk. The Americans were telling their people the same thing; perhaps Congress realized earlier than Britain something was wrong in Iraq, but that didn’t help either.

  35. 35 John in Salem
    May 30, 2008 at 15:22

    On gay marriage I would have to agree with Kinky Friedman, recent candidate for the governorship of Texas – “I see no reason why they shouldn’t have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us”.

  36. 36 John in Germany
    May 31, 2008 at 09:03

    Missing tribe found.

    They would be better of if they had not been found.

    John in Germany.

  37. 37 John in Germany
    May 31, 2008 at 09:17

    @Katharine in Ghent.

    My Victorian mum was the same, but i was quiet surprised to hear her talk about homosexual relationships, “its nature, and you cant interfere with that”.

    That is how i feel about the subject, i still get irritated by some of the gestures made at love parades Ect, but every form of society has its bad uns.

    John in Germany.

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