29
May
08

Should Florida and Michigan count?

Big wigs within the US Democratic Party will meet this weekend to decide whether the votes cast in the Florida and Michigan primaries will count in the race to the party’s Presidential nominee.  Many see it as Hillary Clinton’s last throw of the dice….is she right to chase these votes…surely if you lived in Florida or Michigan you would want your vote to count…. or is it unfair given that neither candidate campaigned in either state and Barack Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan.


16 Responses to “Should Florida and Michigan count?”


  1. 1 Gretchen Eldrich
    May 30, 2008 at 12:38

    With the Democratic primary spoiled in Florida largely by the Republican majority moving up the date, and I think I heard in Michigan that Obama wasn’t on the ballot? Both votes are critically flawed.

    There should be a mandatory revote. We can’t really use the results as they happened for either one because they were irregular and also so there is still some penalty for breaking the rules.

    I don’t want voters disenfranchised, but the rules were agreed to ahead of time. If there can’t be a revote, then they shouldn’t be seated at all because both primaries were flawed.

  2. 2 Brett
    May 30, 2008 at 13:22

    Counting the votes is equally as unfair as not counting them.

    The only way this can be ‘fair’ is a re-vote. Period. No if’s and’s or but’s. The camp which the arguing party supports will largely dictate whether or not they support to count or not count the votes. Hillary is (or was) screaming count them the way they were, because it benefited her. I’m sure she’d happily accept a re-vote too as it would extend her ‘chances’. Obama supporters that are scared of her winning will scream DONT COUNT THEM!

    Regardless, the only fair way is to re-vote. Anything less is a disservice to democracy.

    Regards,
    Brett ~ Richmond, Va.

  3. 3 Virginia Davis
    May 30, 2008 at 14:18

    “They” all went through the “re-vote” discussion a good month ago. It didn’t fly in either state.

    The DNC made up the rules. I am inclined to Gretchen’s view: neither State gets seated is fair. Que sera, sera.

    Virginia in Portland, OR

  4. 4 Tino
    May 30, 2008 at 14:47

    I think they should get counted. Voters should not be disenfranchised because of someone elses decision. I am independent, so do not really have a personal interest….but we are talking about telling people their vote does not matter, which should be a big deal.

  5. 5 steve
    May 30, 2008 at 16:01

    I cannot wait until Hillary’s televised, foot stomping temper tantrum that only a 5 year old could do. God, please let this happen!

  6. 6 Jens
    May 30, 2008 at 17:55

    @ steve,

    i want to see her cry, please let that happen again.

  7. 7 Janet T
    May 30, 2008 at 18:18

    Why were the Democrats so stupid as to let the Republicans control what they did, knowing the consequences? What did they think would happen?

    Isn’t this just rewarding stupidity?

    I cannot believe how ridiculous we have become as a country over voting- having to be first in the primaries, recounts, everyone crying foul! It is embarrassing!

  8. 8 Scott Millar
    May 30, 2008 at 18:56

    . The entire process of the Democratic nomination is tainted, because Florida and Michigan were not remedied long ago. If the results of those primaries are considered accurate, this possible boost to Clinton could have affected subsequent primaries. People often seem to vote with others, or for the perceived winner.

    . The primaries of Florida and Michigan must be redone. It is the most equitable solution. But even this solution has problems because of timing. Currently Obama is ahead, but at the original dates of these primaries Obama was not the assumed nominee.

    . Basically the 2008 presidential nomination of the Democratic party is an undemocratic embarrassing disaster. It is also making Democrats look foolish, because they are repeatedly engaged in subjective tyrannical arguments on blogs and elsewhere. They also refuse to be objective and repeatedly let their candidate of choice cloud their judgment on what is fair and democratic. This calls into question the moral authority of Americas international promotion of democracy.

    . Democratic party officials are now pressuring super-delegates to make their decisions known quickly. PRESSURING! Since when is pressure acceptable in a democracy? Since when is telling a candidate they should stop running acceptable? This is rationalized as being for the greater good of the party or ensuring a Democratic win in November. This kind of logic is equivalent to the reasoning Mr. Bush uses in taking away the rights and freedoms of Americans because of the war on terror; making a claim that these measures are necessary to win the war. How dare Mr. Bush and how dare the Democratic party say the rights in a democracy don’t matter because of an alleged greater good! This is unacceptable. This is outrageous. This has to be stopped.

    – Portland, Oregon

  9. 9 Katie
    May 30, 2008 at 18:59

    This is really a example of opportunism. You have to hand it to the Clinton campaign, they have successfully spun the issue into a legitimate argument for seating Michigan and Florida; its hard to argue in favor of taking away voting rights.

    But imagine if the tables were turned. If Hillary had a majority of the popular vote and delegates and Obama was trying to move the goal posts this late in the game. They would be going ballistic.

  10. 10 Garrett
    May 31, 2008 at 06:33

    Being from and in Michigan, there is an important thing every one seems to have convenient amnesia on: back in the fall, the dishonorable Clinton said that Michigan DID NOT matter. Also, she agreed to the Democratic Party’s decision to punish Michigan for moving its primary ahead. Although I disagree with the original D.P’s decision, it is rather disingenuous of Hillary to have such an about-face in light of the fact that she is now behind.

  11. May 31, 2008 at 12:01

    Including the 2 states would demonstrate total inconsistency in the stand of that bloody committee.

  12. 12 Emile Barre
    May 31, 2008 at 14:43

    All the votes should be counted. Whether the final result is fair is another matter.

  13. 13 Will Rhodes
    May 31, 2008 at 15:37

    http://willrhodes1961.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/wait-a-second/

    Look at what some are saying on my blog – heated do you think?

  14. 14 Moira Daly
    June 1, 2008 at 06:34

    Just a correction: Michael Goldfarb said John McCain had disavowed “his” pastor; that’s incorrect. Ted Hagee is not McCain’s pastor. He leads a Texas megachurch, and endorsed the presumptive Republican nominee several months ago.

  15. 15 John in Germany
    June 1, 2008 at 08:51

    What a shambles, Two states had clearly broken the rules made by the democrats themselves, but it seem if you make enough fuss, you still get something, 50%, lets face it, not a bad punishment for ignoring the rules. Still wont help Hilary, why doesn’t she give in?. she’s just wasting money.

    Now we see what happens when the church mixes in with the politics, these days its in the news, in the old days it just reached the congregation from the pulpit. Like; if you don’t vote……………you wont go to heaven. Obama was probably a good paying member of his church, now he has left. Churches should stay out of politics, which does not mean that the church hierarchy cannot vote, but they should not use their positions to influence the political intentions of the members of the congregation.
    And lets face it, the poor are still hungry in countries where the church has a lot to say. That’s not what God wants,Is it?.

    peace and happiness to you all

    John in Germany.

  16. 16 Virgo
    June 2, 2008 at 18:14

    I dont think counting or not counting those votes is the issue. I feel like many people thought Obama would not be in the lead at this late stage and now all those people who thought that are paniking and inventing every dirty tactic in the world to put Clinton in the lead. Its sad really but i think it will pay off and despite all Obama’s victories, Clinton will be the last woman standing.


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