Hillary, Barack and Brett

So it’s the last two big primaries in Hillary v Barack. We’ll all be in bed by the time the results start coming through but Brett in Virginia won’t. So he’s going to moderate this post. But of course you don’t have to wait until then, as finding talking points has never been a big problem with this story. Over to you, and particularly to Brett. Get the latest on North Carolina and Indiana here.

Indiana Numbers as of 7:00 AM EST:

Clinton: 51%

Obama: 49%

99% reported

North Carolina Numbers as of 7:00 AM EST:

Clinton: 42%

Obama: 56% (Projected Winner)

99% reported

70 Responses to “Hillary, Barack and Brett”

  1. 1 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 17:00

    CNN is playing in the background and I am waiting to see the first results coming in.

    Obama seems to have taken more of a lead in NC and Indiana is just as close as can be.

    According to the polls that is.

  2. 2 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 17:02


    Please consider making Brett a permanent moderator – when you guys go to bed, UK time, the blog slows right down until the day after, we need a night-shift. 🙂

  3. 3 Ros Atkins
    May 6, 2008 at 17:11

    Will, that’s a brilliant idea which despite it sitting in front of my nose i’ve not noticed. let me email a few of you and i’ll see if i can get it going in the next day or so. are you volunteering?

  4. May 6, 2008 at 17:17

    I would like to say there is really only one candidate left. Both Hillary and McCain favor this “gas tax holiday” that will save the average person about $30 if there was some kind of price freeze mandated. That would not be in keeping with our “free enterprise system” now would it? The result of this holiday will be first a surge in demand, as everybody puts off buying gas the last two to three days before the first day of the “holiday”. That surge in demand will lead to a justification to raise the rate. A raise that is sure to be about 18.4 cents, or the price of the tax. Then in 3 months when the tax is reinstated the price will immediately jump 18.4 cents. This is basic Economics. If you don’t understand it, you have no right to be running for the leadership of the world’s greatest and most complex economy. Barack seems to be the only one who understands basic economics.

  5. 5 Brett
    May 6, 2008 at 17:23

    It will be interesting to see if Baracks black vote that he is counting on in NC will hold true and pull through for him, and how much of a difference that will make. Seeing as how this has been a highly debated topic in both the Obama and Clinton camps as being a direct advantage to Obama in NC.
    Furthermore, I’m interested to see which way Indiana goes in the end.

    And Will, thanks for the volunteer haha, I’d certainly be up for the task when needed. You should get in on it too, if the idea flys!

    And what ever is going to come of Florida and Michigan?!

    Brett ~ Richmond, Va.

  6. 6 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 17:24

    Sure – I will help out, Ros.

  7. 7 steve
    May 6, 2008 at 17:28

    @ Ros. I would volunteer, though I think you should take time zones into account so we could have people available 24-7 to moderate. Brett and I are in the same time zone. Same state actually.

  8. 8 Ros Atkins
    May 6, 2008 at 17:38

    You’re right about the timezones Steve as it worked very nicely with you in the States adn ZK in Singapore at the weekend. Ideally some one to the West of us to oick up after the show, and someone east of us to pick up for the hours before we get in. But let’s not run before we can walk. You, Will and Brett have already said you’re keen. Let me see if I can find some more volunteers and I’ll get a plan together. I also want to think about whether to just leave you to moderate comments to existing posts, or if we need to have a daily blank page as well. that could possibly lead into our talking points post when we get in. i’ll have a chat with the team, and will ask for all of your suggestions in a post tomorrow as well.

  9. 9 Brett
    May 6, 2008 at 17:41

    @ Dwight
    Great point on the economics side of the gas tax. I’ve been quite upset at both supporters of the ‘holiday’, but for slightly different reasons.



    Thank goodness Bush isn’t a fan of it (But at the same time using the publicity to push his agenda to explore and drill ANWR 😦 )

    Brett ~ Richmond, Va.

  10. 10 Peter Gizzi UK
    May 6, 2008 at 17:58

    I know I’m an old misery but I do get a bit fed up with so much coverage of this competition on our national media. OK this is The World Service so that is O.K.

    I do not even know the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? Is it a bit like our parliament where they are all very similar and money and personality win the day.?

    Having said all that I have been drawn itno it so put my money on Obahma, not cause he’s good looking but because he might bring a bit of “fresh air” to The White House.

  11. 11 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 18:09

    The idea of utilising the tax break is nuts – no one is in power yet to enact it!

    It’s popularism at its worst – and people are falling for it.

    The general election isn’t until November!

  12. 12 steve
    May 6, 2008 at 18:10

    Short of an armed uprising, the oil companies will not try to produce alternative energies, and I think it would be better if we produced our own oil than use imported oil, though if the result is that people will just go out and buy more Hummers and Escalades, i’d rather keep gas prices high.. I wish they could use domestic oil, while developing a practical alternative, while using fuel efficient vehicles. At least we could stop funding terrorism by this approach until we come up with a practical way of producing alternative energies such as ethanol, or hyprogen cells. Oh hell, I wish they would just ban driving so everyone would be forced to exercise, and there would be more thin women out there.

  13. 13 Jonny
    May 6, 2008 at 18:17

    I have to bemoan the political characterization of Obama as the “elitist” candidate. The same casting was used effectively against Kerry in ’04. How did Hillary become the de-facto populist anti-trade candidate? She has cock-sure swagger of Mick Jagger circa “Stick Fingers” to pull off the B.S. she does.

    While Brett is interested in the black vote (which I think is a given; I think we’ve seen clear homogeneous consensus), I’m more interested in the margins with white voters in Indiana – especially North Indiana which is part of the huge Chicago media market.

  14. 14 Justin from Iowa
    May 6, 2008 at 18:46

    I’m sick of the white house and politicians pandering to the masses of less than astute people out there, offering Tax cuts and Tax holidays while obliterating the basic services we’d come to expect our government to assist on… Education, infrastructure, and health care primary amongst those.

    Don’t people understand that the money they are “saving” with these measures has to come from somewhere? It would warm my heart if this Tax Holiday backfired on Hilary and drove more voters to Obama… Sadly, I have no faith in the American Public to recognize anything intelligent or sensible.

    Honestly, the whole Rev. Wright issue has been blown far out of proportion as well. Here’s where I get attacked, heh… but honestly, if you listen to him speak, __Not everything he is saying is wrong!__

    Heck, if the guy didn’t throw crackpot ideas like the government creating aids to kill black people, I would see him as a breath of fresh air. The US has stuck its nose into so many dank holes of foreign policy, has funded our own forms of terrorism in other countries over the years… honestly, to not expect anyone to ever respond with a grudge against the US is just stupidity. Was it good that it happenned, and to innocent people? Hell no! But to be unexpected? Get real.

    So for this issue to be so purely demonized by the media and the clinton campaign… its very angering. The sheer number of skeletons in the closet of the Clintons makes you absolutely CRINGE at the hypocrisy of the media’s focus on Obama while not giving a hoot about Clinton…

  15. 15 Janet T
    May 6, 2008 at 18:53

    as the years go by there seems to be less and less difference in the 2 primary US parties. it is interesting- Democrats used to be more socially liberal, supporting Unions, government run programs etc..- you know the party of FDR and LBJ, while Republicans were consider the party of the business man and fiscally conservative. Then the Republican party was hijacked by religious zealots and it been a big grey area ever since. Many Catholics used to be Democrats (JFK/RFK) until abortion became a huge political issue for the Republicans.
    Bottom line- in 2008 there is really no difference in the parties- it is big money, say anything to get elected politics. We need reform.

  16. 16 steve
    May 6, 2008 at 18:53

    @ Justin:

    The media gave Hilary hell for her lie about sniper fire in Bosnia. I think that’s worse, proving she’s a liar, than who you associate with, but the comments Wright said were horrible.. I mean, really bad…

    Doesn’t matter, I don’t think either HIllary or Obama has a chance against Mccain. Hillary has too many people that hate her, and now Obama has the association with a racist, which might make many whites feel he’ll put extremists in his cabinet.

    But do you honestly think people like Wright or Sharpton want Obama to win? How could they claim america is racist if we have a black president? They would lose the wind in their sails.

    It’s why I think that conservative talk shows want Hillary or Obama to win so they have something to talk about for the next 4 years. It’s not in their interest for Mccain to win.

  17. 17 Janet T
    May 6, 2008 at 18:55

    PS- Oregon’s primary is May 20th- don’t write us off yet (we have complete vote by mail system)

  18. May 6, 2008 at 19:05

    If I kept hearing the news channels spell out the demographics, I would have reconsidered my point of view. They keep saying that Hillary is picking up the uneducated, blue collar (works with their hands and backs and not their brain), old (think alive during the “Jim Crow era”), and poor are her base. With the exception of the blue collar worker, these are attributes nobody wants to be. They say that Obama is picking up the young, educated (often college student), and more financially secure members of the Democratic Party.

    Now if you had a $1000 to invest and you had two take it to one of two people to invest it. One was a high school dropout, who worked in a coal mine, was 68 yrs old, and still lived paycheck to paycheck. The other is a young kid, fresh out of college, had started his own business and is doing well. Which one of them would you entrust your money to invest?

    @ Brett, her economics ignorance doesn’t stop there. Everybody keeps saying that they have the same policy aspirations. Sometimes it is not what you want, but how you propose to get it. There is a difference between getting rich by opening a bank and getting rich by robbing one.

  19. 19 steve
    May 6, 2008 at 19:50

    Holy Cow Brett, apparently we had a minor earthquake today.. less than a 3 on the richter scale. but nonetheless:

    “The National Earthquake Information Center, via FEMA Operations, is reporting that Northern VA has experienced rumblings equivalent to an earthquake of magnitude 2 to 3. It remains unclear if this was an actual earthquake, or due to another cause.
    Arlington OEM will continue to monitor.

    Sent by Arlington County OEM to All users (e-mail) through Arlington Alert

    ….powered by Cooper Notification RSAN”

    What could be alternate causes? A Jenny Craig meeting just got out at more than one location at the same time?

  20. 20 Jens
    May 6, 2008 at 20:22

    what annoys me more about hillary is the persistant bending of facts, plus her insitance that she is more qualified. i am a cell biologist, is my loved one qualified to do the job, just because she has been married to me for over ten years??? i doubt it and in fact she would be the first one to point this out.

    her campaign remindes me of the holiday inn express tv advertisments. if experience is the only criteria every country should be run by the tribal council of elder statesmen.

  21. 21 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 20:43

    @ Janet

    in 2008 there is really no difference in the parties- it is big money, say anything to get elected politics. We need reform.

    But what kind of reform?

    Some say that the electoral collage (Church) just isn’t democratic – should that be revoked for a more popular vote gets the presidency? That would get rid of the nomination process leaving the leaders of the party picking who runs.

    Washington needs reform, as do most western governmental election processes. But we have to be careful that the people get what’s right rather than multinationals calling the shots very soon after any reform.

  22. 22 Brett
    May 6, 2008 at 21:20

    Less than three hours to go until Indiana closes and just over three for North Carolina!

    Will instances such as these in NC:

    One of his first encounters went poorly. He [Obama] approached a man sitting alone at a table and was waved away. The man told me afterward he had no interest in meeting Obama. “I can’t stand him,” he said. “He’s a Muslim. He’s not even pro-American as far as I’m concerned.”

    have an overwhelming impact on Obama in not only Carolina, but Indiana as well?


    I suppose we will find out shortly!

  23. 23 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 21:46

    I just can’t work out how people can be so ignorant of the facts, Brett.

    Exit polls are on their way CNN style.

  24. 24 Brett
    May 6, 2008 at 21:50

    Me either Will, me either. Hopefully there won’t be too many of those people in tonights primaries. Although, every voter is entitled to an opinion. I just wish their opinions were more well informed!

  25. May 6, 2008 at 21:50

    Bret, your comment is common amongst people I know who are older and vote democratic. I work in a field that requires a fair amount of intellect and critical thinking. Yet somebody I work with actually uttered the phrase, “I don’t like Obama because he is a Muslim. Plus his (Christian) Pastor said he hates America.”

    It is one argument for the Electoral College that I tend to agree with. The idea is that the Electoral College is weighted so as not to give insane power to the masses. We know in areas where there is a high density of people, there is also a high density of “group think”. This often leads to outcomes not based in fact but rather feeling. By giving them more votes but so much more disparity, it curbs the “collective ignorance” effect.

    Let us say the you promised if you were elected you were going to get rid of every kind of tax but property tax. Well Guess who would like that Idea. Yep all the voter in the urban and inner city areas who rent. People in especially rural America would be severely outvoted. The Electoral college levels that playing field. Pandering to just the largest groups will not get you elected.

  26. 26 Janet T
    May 6, 2008 at 22:10

    I have no idea- I explored this subject with Steve in an earlier debate- we always have late primaries here in Oregon- and I get tired of not really having a voice or vote- this is the first primary in decades that Oregon might matter in.
    I think it is a multi-part problem- voters go for name recognition,and pay to much attention to the media hype so those without money or a very thick skin are washed out. People like Ron Paul are treated like a joke. I think I’m looking for a level playing field. Maybe a national primary and a national general election. Popular vote would be a horrible solution- California, New York and Florida would be the only states to see candidates, the rest of us would truly be ignored. A representative republic like we live in is tricky- and is getting more and more media based. I’d just like to hear the truth about what a candidate thinks without having the media rip them to shreds.

  27. 27 Brett
    May 6, 2008 at 22:15

    Congrats! It must be exciting to know that it may come down to you and your vote on who makes it into the Party Leader slot.
    It would be wonderful to have a level playing field and it was certainly a shame to see Ron Paul ignored out of the race.

  28. 28 Justin from Iowa
    May 6, 2008 at 22:20

    @Brett… that quote is crazy. I just don’t understand people… He’s got people accusing him of being a Muslim (not that I have anything against the religion, but some people do), of being a radical black christian… how can so many people believe things so completely on the opposite end of the spectrum? When neither is even right?

    Personally, I think that racial prejudice seeks whatever justification is easiest to swallow..

    “I hate him because he’s a muslim extremist and anti-american!”
    “I hate him because he’s a black extremist who thinks the Gov. created aids to kil blacks!”

    …Both sound more reasonable than “I’m a racist and I can’t stand the thought of a black presidential candidate, let alone a black president”

  29. May 6, 2008 at 22:29

    Hey Precious Brett… And a very good luck with your moderation task :-). This Democratic presidential race is starting to become really ‘salt free’ in my opinion… As an outsider I used to really enjoy following its developments in the past but right now it’s become really boring for me to sit and watch the never ending boxing match between Barack and Hillary. With my love. Yours forever, Lubna.

  30. 30 Justin from Iowa
    May 6, 2008 at 22:34

    You and I both, Miss Lubna.

    Oh! And for your perfect man, may I toss in a name? You should Mix in a little Kofi Annan into your perfect man. He seems like a person who embodies Patience, Strong Convictions, and intelligence… All important things in a partner you wish to share your life with and respect!

  31. May 6, 2008 at 22:52

    THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES Precious Justin ! Wow, Kofi Anan ! You know, I’m thinking seriously of adding Barack Obama to my perfect man mix too, but I just don’t know why I feel sometimes that he’s too good to be true, or that he’s just a marvellous dream that can’t work out in real life ! Is he real ?! :-). With my love. Yours forever, Lubna.

  32. 32 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 23:19

    Less than 1% of the vote in and Clinton leads in Ind by 64% to 36%

  33. 33 Brett
    May 6, 2008 at 23:42

    2% in now and Clinton’s lead is diminished to 61% to Obama’s 39%. Still a surprising difference!


  34. 34 Will Rhodes
    May 6, 2008 at 23:54

    Another half hour, Brett and the western half starts to come in, that should be Obama territory.

  35. 35 Brett
    May 6, 2008 at 23:57

    Thats what I’m banking on to tip the current way of things. 6% now and seeming to hold over the past few percents. Now only 59 to Obama’s 41 in Indiana.
    I’ve been skeptical about whether or not Obama can win Indiana, but we shall see, as the votes are coming in it is looking brighter and brighter for him. In the event of a loss at least he still may be able to hold onto his decent lead in delegates if the western half pulls through for him.

  36. 36 Justin from Iowa
    May 7, 2008 at 00:10

    John McLaughlin, from “The McLaughlin Group” (Go go public television programs!) was predicting Obama would upset Clinton in Indiana. I think it is going to be much closer than what most politicos are thinking (Hilary by a landslide?)

    And no worries, Lubna, we all want to see you with the perfect man ^^

  37. 37 Brett
    May 7, 2008 at 00:16

    I’ve added the numbers to the main blog post and will be updating them as fast as I can type in the updating results! Check the main topic post for the current numbers 🙂

  38. 38 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 00:25

    Good call on the numbers, Brett!!

    I am thinking of moving the computer around so I can see the TV while I type!

  39. 39 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 00:26

    Polls close in NC after this gap!

  40. 40 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 00:30

    Projection in NC – Obama win.

  41. 41 Brett
    May 7, 2008 at 00:33

    Projection in NC – Obama win.

    I’m with you on that one Will. According to CNN, he has been assigned 20 Delegates.

  42. 42 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 00:38

    What is good about it, Brett is that he has a significant white vote, too. He cannot have won the state without her supporters coming over to him.

    Lou Dobbs now reporting on the win and Ind continuing count.

    According to CNN, he has been assigned 20 Delegates.

    That will almost put him on a par with her?

  43. 43 Peter Gizzi UK
    May 7, 2008 at 00:43

    Janet T

    Forgive the delay I’ve been down the pub to toast you all (should that be y’all?) with a few pints of Irish Stout.

    Anyway basically you are saying it is much the same as here in The UK. New Labour show Tories how to be Tories so The Tories model themselves on New Labour!

    Had a funny thought while walking home. What if after all this complete waste of money the Republicans win anyway. Hope I don’t offend you with that?

    Finally I am delighted to hear Tony Blair will not be President of The European Union. Looks like we’ll be ruled by Angela Merkel! Why did we bother with WW2?

  44. 44 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 00:53

    LOL – I think there is a big difference from WWII to the EU, Peter, but I understand what you mean.

    Will the UK vote UKIP in the future? There does need to be a change in the UK.

  45. 45 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 01:06

    Clinton supporter:

    It will be the Latino voter and the white voter that will decide the nominee, Obama doesn’t have those so she is still in the race when the super delegates decide who is going to win.

  46. 46 ZK
    May 7, 2008 at 01:22

    Ros: Would be glad to help out if needed.

    As to the topic: I don’t quite understand how exactly the race isn’t being called for Sen Clinton yet, given her strong 12 point lead with nearly half the votes counted, and yet Sen Obama had NC called immediately based on exit polls.

  47. 47 Brett
    May 7, 2008 at 01:24

    Well, nearing the halfway mark in Indiana, I am wondering if my prediction I made earlier today to some friends of Clinton taking Indiana 52 to 48 will hold true. Her lead has continued to diminish since the first few votes came in.

    Yep, we’re now at 50% in Indiana and its Hillary 55 to 45.

  48. 48 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 01:28

    ZK – the population areas haven’t started to call in numbers yet.

    Her % is falling and if Obama gets those areas he could well win Indiana.

  49. 49 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 01:38

    I think you could be right, Brett.

    Lake, Porter, Laporte are still to call though – he will need a 70 – 30 split to win it. St Joseph could be a clincher.

  50. 50 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 01:54

    98 year old nun not allowed to vote in Indiana? WTF!?

    She didn’t have the correct ID. O.o

  51. 51 Jonny
    May 7, 2008 at 01:54

    It’s Lake County (where the town of Gary is located) in Northern IN (it shares the Chicago media market) that’s needs to go big for Obama if he hopes to make it closer (and Brett if you want to win with your prediction). It hasn’t reported, but very interested to see what happens there.

  52. 52 Laura in Minneapolis
    May 7, 2008 at 02:21

    I think it’s high time I ended my unwanted vacation from the blog. Why the mini-break you ask? Three words. Finals are hard.

    Anyways the numbers are coming in, and of course Indiana is still a toss up even with 69% of the vote in.

    If the dems don’t decide on a nominee soon, McCain will simply take his time and look like the calm, reasonable one while Clinton and Obama squabble away.

    Leave to the democrats to mess this one up.

    Laura in Minneapolis

  53. 53 Laura in Minneapolis
    May 7, 2008 at 02:21

    P.S. i’d be totally willing to moderate while everyone else is sweetly dreaming 🙂

  54. May 7, 2008 at 02:34

    You know for the past 8 years here in the rust belt all you have heard is how NAFTA has been the reason for the loss of all the factory jobs. Yet the two people who are responsible for it’s inception, George Sr. for rallying his troops to get the bill written and deals made, and Clinton for ultimately signing it in to policy. Yet here we are, voting in the same people who stuck it to us. I am beginning to think that the great lakes region is populated by women who seek abusive relationships. “oh he didn’t mean it. He said he would never do it again. Besides he had such a hard time in Basra.”

    I would still love to see a voting process where we are forced to select how we feel about issues and how important to us they are. Then at the end it spits out a candidate most closely aligned with our choices.

  55. 55 Peter Gizzi UK
    May 7, 2008 at 02:41

    Thanks Will Rhodes,
    I am a member of UKIP. Getting publicity for a small party is very difficult and costly. Money again. Also UK public seem to be lethargic these days. I live in hopes. Do see Mrs Merkel as Hitler in drag, She isn’t a Nazi but Hitler wanted to rule all Europe.

    Going to bed now. Hope Obahma wins.

  56. 56 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 02:45

    Then at the end it spits out a candidate most closely aligned with our choices.

    Or the one who lied the best. 😉

  57. May 7, 2008 at 03:06

    A little more complicated then just lying. The candidate would have to stick with that lie the whole campaign. They would be forced to convince people the lie was the rigtht answer and not flip flop. Have the candidates filled out the “questioner” that would also be compared against their voting record. It would take a committee a month of real work days to get a ballot ironed out.

    However, you can’t lie about things like. “do you favor a candidate who never approved giving the president the authority to go to war against Iraq?”

    or “do you favor an gas tax holiday?”

    “do you believe everybody should have to have health insurance or be penalized?”

    Besides, the best liars seem to be able to rise to the top to begin with. There are a number of good people that Barack should be squaring off against that were not as good at it as Hillary.

  58. 58 Brett
    May 7, 2008 at 03:08

    I’m wondering how much Operation Chaos is affecting the votes right now…

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com (theres a few different transcripts on there, just search for them).

  59. 59 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 03:16

    11% of the Ind vote was republican, Brett – 52% went for Clinton. They were out done by the independents who went for Obama. Independents made up 26% of the Ind vote.

  60. 60 Will Rhodes
    May 7, 2008 at 03:20

    Lake country will be declaring between 11 pm to midnight EST.

    If it is anything like Marion 67% – 33% to Obama it will be a lot closer than we can imagine.

  61. 61 Brett
    May 7, 2008 at 03:29

    Lake country will be declaring between 11 pm to midnight EST.

    If it is anything like Marion 67% – 33% to Obama it will be a lot closer than we can imagine.

    Great, now they are saying it will be midnight EST for Lake County for the 11,000 absentee ballots.

    I wish Hillary would quit postponing her speech until Indiana results are in and just get up and speak already! She’s been “On her way from the hotel” for over an hour now!

  62. 62 Jonny
    May 7, 2008 at 04:25

    I’m curious how the media will position after tonight’s primaries. The word “decisive” seems to come up when talking about Obama’s NC victory, and the New York Times is running an article: Options Dwindling for Clinton. All good signs for Senator Obama.

    Also, the Mayor of Gary, Indiana is predicting a possible upset hinging on his town’s massive turnout for Obama. Could be interesting…

  63. 63 Xie_Ming
    May 7, 2008 at 04:43

    Thanks for the good work, Brett!

  64. 64 Dennis Young, Jr.
    May 7, 2008 at 06:41

    According to American Cable News Channels about 1AM Eastern time, Hillary Clinton was declared winner in the Indiana elections..

    Early in the Day Tuesday, reports about the 90 year old Nun not being
    able to vote is a disgrace…..

    Madrid, United States of America

  65. May 7, 2008 at 10:44

    Ros – why not start the “Talking points for…” after the programme each night as a blank page and then we can add to it in the morning?

  66. May 7, 2008 at 11:53

    Well the nag is down, her heals are broken and she is laying on the track. Do they let her lay there in the track writhing in pain, or does somebody euphonize her.

    Quote- “We can’t win unless you send money.” Funny the most politically powerful couple in America can’t get funding. At this point she reminds me of a TV evangelist.

    The sad part about this is that Bill Clinton was one of the greatest presidents from a foreign policy perspective. It was because people liked Bill though. You can’t reproduce that. Besides today we are in a situation where “charm” isn’t enough.

    His respect level has sunk down somewhere around Oral Roberts.

  67. 67 anonymous
    May 7, 2008 at 12:56

    Lubna, Obama would invade Pakistan at the drop of a pin and is vehemently pro-Israel. I say Kofi Annan beats him out any time for Perfect Man award. Thank you, Justin. At this rate, will Lubna or I ever have a chance of getting married, or will we have such an ideal in our heads that no-one will fit it?

  68. 68 Shirley
    May 7, 2008 at 13:04

    Will Rhodes: “98 year old nun not allowed to vote in Indiana? WTF!? She didn’t have the correct ID. O.o”

    And then one must pass the reading test and pay the poll tax.

    Jim Crow is alive and well.

  69. 69 steve
    May 7, 2008 at 20:41

    Shirley, if she wanted a bottle of wine she would have to show photo ID. What’s the big deal? You’re required to have photo ID when in public anyways. If you were to die, or get hurt, how would they identify who you are and contact next of kin?

    The real reason the left doesn’t want photo ID rules for voting is that it might keep illegal immigrants from voting illegally.

    I have to show ID to get into buildings, to buy beer. If you drive to the poll, then you damn well better have your driver’s license on you. I would like to see someone try to get into a court, or check into an airplane without photo ID. Yet in a situation where fraud is a great potentiality, throw a fit because they have a photo ID requirement?

  70. 70 Summer
    May 9, 2008 at 01:33

    98 year olds are rarely asked to show ID when buying alcohol. And there is NO requirement for people to carry a photo ID “when in public”, at least not in the United States. The People’s Republic of China may have different rules.

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