Talking Points

Zimbabwe is still making headlines as the first results of presidential and legislative elections are announced.

The opposition Movement for Democratic Change and Mugabe’s Zanu_PF are going neck to neck with each winning 3 of the six parliamentary constituencies, so far declared, although most commentatotrs have it as a comfortable MDC win. The 30 hour delay to announce results has fuelled speculation of vote rigging.
The MDC has clamed they won a sweeping victory and that the delay is just the government buying time to rig the votes. However, the chairman of the Electoral commission George Chiweshe said the delay came because counting the votes was a huge task. In the meantime riot police have been patrolling the streets of the capital Harare and residents were told to stay at home. Robert Mugabe has ruled Zimbabwe for 28 years since the country’s independence. If he loses will he go quietly? And why do some leaders never know when to quit ?

A curfew has been lifted in Baghdad this morning after Shia’a cleric Moqtada Al Sadr called on the Mehdi Army to lay down their arms. Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki hailed Moqtada Al Sadr’s move. Intense fighting between Shia’a militias and the Iraqi forces has claimed over a hundred lives throughout Iraq but mainly in Sadr city, in Baghdad, and Basra South of Iraq but The streets of Baghdad and Basra have been relatively calm today. So, who actually is in control of the streets in Iraq?

LiveLeak.com, the London based website has dropped Fitna, the film made by Dutch law maker Geert Wilder that portrays Islam as a violent religion and a threat to western society.

LiveLeak.com said in a statement that it decided to remove the film a day after it was posted “following serious threats to their staff. So how free is the internet and is the website’s decision a sign of hindrance of freedom of speech? 

Also, The Vatican has announced that Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism as the biggest single religious denomination in the world, Is the religious make up of the world changing? And does that have implications ?

And what about this editorial in the News in Pakistan ?  As this blog post suggests, the world may be changing if India and Pakistan get closer to friendship, while the U.S is frozen out ?

8 Responses to “Talking Points”

  1. 1 Mark Sandell
    March 31, 2008 at 10:22

    Pickled Politics is as good as ever on the Wilders film..

  2. 2 VictorK
    March 31, 2008 at 10:55

    WHYS declined to link to the site hosting FITNA but does link to one that’s critical of the film, while describing the site it did link to as being ‘as good as ever’ on Fitna! And as if to rub it in we are asked “…is the website’s decision [to stop showing FITNA because of threats from Muslims] a sign of hindrance of freedom of speech?” Which is to say, when threats of violence from Muslims directly and obviously crush free speech, don’t admit what would clearly be to Islam’s discredit but act as if there’s something to be debated and the issues aren’t at all clear cut.

    I’m really sorry to say it but the BBC has shown time and time again that it is constitutionally incapable of reporting on Islam with anything like impartiality.

  3. 3 George USA
    March 31, 2008 at 11:14

    Zimbo dictator-

    He seems to have a great deal in common with Hillary Clinton’s loss to Obama in Texas by a 60 to 40% margin yet still claiming victory.

    Mugabe and Hillary Clinton, peas in a pod when it comes to gracefully losing elections and knowing when to quit.


    Curfew Baghdad-

    Sadr has shown he can shut down the country and is happy to kill as many people as needed to get the point across.

    Maliki has shown he makes ultimatums without the power to enforce them.


    Liveleak.com drops film on threat of death-

    That seems to verify the film.


    The Vatican announced Islam now larger-

    The implications are straight forward:

    The many antichristian ranters on WHYS screaming at the top of their lungs regularly against God, Christ and Christianity, will simply be beheaded if Islam takes over.

  4. 4 Xie_Ming
    March 31, 2008 at 11:59

    “LiveLeak.com said in a statement that it decided to remove the film a day after it was posted “following serious threats to their staff. So how free is the internet and is the website’s decision a sign of hindrance of freedom of speech? ”

    This should become a “deciding moment” for the UK!

    It seems to me that the BBC and every website in Britain should run the film and that the police should run down whoever attempts to stop it with threats.

    Perhaps Britain no longer has what it takes?

  5. 5 Brett
    March 31, 2008 at 12:12

    @ Fitna: I really think this needs to be talked about. It seemed to have been overlooked late last week, although bloggers on WHYS continue to talk about it.
    It is certainly unfortunate that LiveLeak was bullied into taking it down. Although on the bright side, GoogleVideos had it up on Saturday. Not sure if it is still up, but it was last I checked.

    Brett ~ Richmond, Va.

  6. 6 Xie_Ming
    March 31, 2008 at 13:17

    A nation has a sense of shared history, myth and common values.

    If Britain and similar states are to become nations, they must set their houses in order.

    It is evident that traditional British values are incompatible with totalitarianisms, be they secular, Roman, or Abrahamic/Zoroastrian.

    Twenty-five years ago, the Imam Khomeini outlined his Islamic ideology. Here is just one item:

    ” ..If he is not purified, he cannot purify society. One measure of purification is that, when one takes the name of Islam, no one opposes it. For almost twenty years, the Islamic scholars have been working on the people, on the youth. They have raised their consciousness and changed them..” (from Ideology’s Handbook, Athabascan 2005)

    The quotes from Khomeini go on to specify the principles, terrorist activity and universal objectives of his vision. Those following such an ideology must be considered dangerously subversive to the host nation.

  7. 7 steve
    March 31, 2008 at 19:04

    I think they put up the Antifitna site because I’m sure they aren’t going to get death threats from pro-Fitna people. It’s as simple as that. If you criticize fundamentalist islamists, you get death threats from fundamentalist muslims, who have proven they WILL kill over their fictional beliefs. The BBC would be stupid to have linked to the video. I think society should expect civilized behavior, and not death threats if you feel that a movie criticizing violent radicals is offensive.

  8. 8 George USA
    April 1, 2008 at 10:55


    When he died,

    he was carried in the street in an open coffin,

    held over head,

    his followers rioted in fever pitch,

    his body fell out of the coffin

    and was desecrated by some standards.

    Ironic huh.

    It was on TV.

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