18
Mar
08

How should the world react to the trouble in Tibet?

Here are seven possibilities I have seen suggested. Do you support one of them or do you have an alternative?

1 )  Get the IOC to put pressure on them. According to this Chinese dissident, the Olympic movement has an “obligation” to act. China’s in the spotlight, it could reap dividends. On the other hand, what’s sport got to do with anything ?

2)  Do nothing, it’s none of anyone else’s business.

3)  Encourage dialogue between the Dalai Lama and President Hu Jintao. The Chinese say “the door is open” and the U.S. have called for this too. Independence won’t be on the agenda, but what about greater (or real ) autonomy ?

4)  Boycott the Olympics. Some Pro-Tibetan groups have called for this, but the EU and pretty much everyone else have ruled it out. But what about a political boycott, as some have suggested. We’ll send athletes, the argument goes, but none of the bigwigs.

5)   Engage China diplomatically and urge restraint. Australia, the U.S and Japan have already gone down this route, among others.

6) Call for a UN role in Tibet .  When Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon was asked about this, he replied : “”We will continuously monitor the situation; we’ll get back to you.”

7)  Engage with the Dalai Lama. Prime Minister Brown in this country yesterday refused to say whether he’d meet him, or even have a phone conversation with him. Meanwhile the Dalai Lama has threatened to “resign” if the violence worsens.

Or a combination of some of the above ? Ok, now it’s your turn……

Here’s the latest on the troubles in Tibet

Here’s an excellent Q&A on China and Tibet


105 Responses to “How should the world react to the trouble in Tibet?”


  1. 1 Brett
    March 18, 2008 at 12:33

    At this point, I’ll put my vote in for #3.
    So much for not using the Olympics against China, eh? Darfur to the back of the page, Tibet to the front. I’m guessing it will continue this way, rotating world grievances against China while countries and persons continue to threaten a boycott.

    Regards,
    Brett ~ Richmond, Va.

  2. March 18, 2008 at 12:46

    I think Dialogue will be the best.Boycotting the Olympics and any otehr diplomatic isolation seem not to be the best option. I believe China is already strong economically to be affected by any isolations in the near future. The best option is to dialogue and come to a common ground.

  3. March 18, 2008 at 12:49

    First of all as neighber,India has right to react by incresing pressure on Dalai lama, say his followers to stop all the activities let to ignite old and new issues and adopt the leading to peacefull process.

    Dalai Lama,is a great figure in the whole scenario
    can play a crucial role.As we have taken his ststements,published in world media what he said is all good.There is nothing objectionable not the Tibetan are instigated by any manner but he should do more as his duty as a spiritual leader.

    China is permanant memeber of the united nations security council should select its own role that what should he do.As china know that united nation no permission granted to any country use of force and killing of innocent peoples.

    Being single superpower United States of America take a firm step in regard to tackling the situation in Tibet.United States has a diplomatic ability and can bring the parties concerned to the negotiation table and play concilliatory role.

    Pakistan is a good market of chines’s commodities and in a good position to pay its moral duty for ending the bloodshed in Tibet.

    European Union have some option make pressure directly against chines leadership for peacefull solution of the recent unrest esclating in Tibet,especially in Lhasa where innocent people are being killed by armed forces.

  4. 4 Xie_Ming
    March 18, 2008 at 13:19

    The Dalai Lama is the obvious negotiator.

    However, as a Party-run state, the PRC will have great reservations about allowing non-Party leadership to emerge in any fashion.

    I suspect that things will be done quietly and with as little publicity as possible, but things may evolve quite differently.

  5. 5 Justin from Iowa
    March 18, 2008 at 13:40

    Nothing of consequence will happen, because China has too much power for anyone to put any real pressure on. The US’s world leadership has taken a big hit, and looming economic problems means the world is probably going to have to solve their own problems for a few years rather than looking to the hated US of A for world leadership and problem solving.

    So dialogue will probably happen, and it won’t have any result.

  6. March 18, 2008 at 14:03

    Option 2.

    If the Tibet people desire freedom they will fight for it. It is cold and I undoubtedly will be called heartless, but we cannot set a precedent by interfering in the affairs of other nations. This is despite how adorable or endearing the Dali Lama may seem on the television screen.

    I have a feeling I may be alone on this.

  7. 7 Belgitude
    March 18, 2008 at 14:19

    I started my own private boycott quite a while ago, long before the events in Tibet.
    I am trying not to buy any products “made in China”. I must admit it is very difficult and I do not fully succeed, but at least I try.
    I have nothing against Chinese people, Chinese cuisine, Chinese whatever… I just deeply dislike the Chinese authorities and their awful model: lets take the worse of both systems, the dictatorship and restriction of civil liberties of the communist system, the savage social darwinism of capitalism, shake it well and you get a huge corrupt dictatorship, which crushes its own people and destroys the planet by recklessly polluting it!
    I think the E.U., the U.S., Australia and Japan should invite the Dalaï Lama for an offical visit and welcome him with the honors of a head of State.

    But the Western world is weak, coward, reedy and short sighted.
    We will bend before China until it completely crushes us and reduces the human rights to nothingness.

  8. 8 steve
    March 18, 2008 at 14:33

    Bash America all you like, but we don’t prosecute people for speaking out against America like China does.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7302057.stm

  9. 9 steve
    March 18, 2008 at 14:35

    Belgitude: China owns us. Nobody is going to do anything for fear of extreme financial consequences. I’m curious as to why China doesn’t just walk into Taiwan now other than the Taiwanese probably have nuclear weapons. Nobody would do anything to stop China.

  10. 10 NN
    March 18, 2008 at 14:40

    No3 is the best option for China, of cos, here China includes Tibetan.

    I am just wondering why they choose this moment as their riot time. Obviously they have planned it for a long time and they try to take advantage of IOC to put pressure on China government and in turn to isolate it from other countries.

    As a Chinese, I experienced more than any foreigner. My high school, as well as others around the whole China, invest 1 million RMB to support Tibetan students who cant afford school fees in Tibet by providing them free living and education , while the local students, like me, have to pay. So when Tibetan are accusing China government, why they dont put all those benefits they accepted on the table at the same time as well? (There are lots of examples, I am not going to list them one by one.)

    I understand one-party-dominate policy is kind of unacceptable by Tibetan. There are 56 nations in China with the Han the biggest one. Why the other 54 nations are happy with China governement, but only Zang (Tibetan) is awalys making troubles?

    China is a developing country. We are doing our best to develop economy and to improve human rights etc. This takes time, one decade, two decades or even longer. But whatever it needs, we will finally achieve our goal and give everyone a statisfied answer.

    Last but not least, I would like to say Olympic is nothing to do with politics. We are pround of having Olympic in China. I know China is not perfect or not even close to perfect. What I wanna say is to let people in UK can fully understand my country .

    Thanks.

  11. 11 Royston Roberts
    March 18, 2008 at 14:40

    hi ros, it’s rather unfortunate such an oppression, violation of civic right is happening in this era of our life, where in a child born today knows their fundamental human right, for the people of tibet, i cannot held my composure of what i’m hearing and seeing about what’s is going on in tibet, as for me ros, i blamed the west, the U.N, and the I.O.C for awarding such a repressive regime an international acclaimed, high reputable event like the olympic, which has as their motto ‘celebrate humanity’.so i dont know what humanity the people of tibet will be celebrating when some or most of them has already lost loved ones to oppression and brutality, and to the west, where they are to blamed, all in the name of profitability and cheap labour, they have developed the chinese economy in such a way that, they themselves are at threat of not be overtaken by those communist as world super power, which will have a greater negative effect in the spread of democracy than we are facing now, so my surgestion, limit the amount of foriegn investment, and the export of technologically advanced product to the chinese, think about africa there are untapped resources to be utilised, for the benefit of humanity.
    Royston Roberts
    Freetown, Sierra Leone

  12. 12 Anthony
    March 18, 2008 at 14:41

    Well, there is the old tactic of secretly funding Tibet with money and weapons so that they can start a revolution and China won’t grow at such an accelerated rate and eventually surpass the US in every aspect. Well, that’s what Bush would do at least.

    -Anthony, LA, CA

  13. March 18, 2008 at 14:45

    I have just one comment (won’t do any good and won’t solve the problem but): Couldn’t they (organization of the Olympics) have thought about these issue at forehand. It was already a surprise to me that China was chosen to host the Olympics. Must have been a statement of the IOC that sports doesn’t concern about politics or state of mind in a country at all.
    ———————————–
    As stated in previous replies, conversation would be best. But if you really like to think in “doomsdays” and conspiracies China would use this as an excuse to occupy or retain lost ground again. This is all to weird for me and in my mind there is a secret agenda somewhere.
    ———————————-
    @Sultan: “Being single superpower United States of America take a firm step in regard to tackling the situation in Tibet.United States has a diplomatic ability and can bring the parties concerned to the negotiation table and play conciliatory role”

    Pls don’t get the states involved they messed up so many things already with their ability “of digging in their noses” in matters they shouldn’t be part of.
    ———————————-
    But because of all this, I feel really sorry for the athletics because all they want to do is break world records and improve their own life goals. Don’t turn this into a Euro Song Festival where politics decides where the points go.

  14. 14 Rory
    March 18, 2008 at 14:56

    Tibet .
    China and the UN – Kofi Anan should have dialogue.
    And just to show that WE have an influence – do what really does hurt- boycott the viewing of the games – and tell the sponsors and the TV stations and (regrettably the radio stations.
    If this was really approached with rigour – a sort of short term ‘anti smoking campaign’ – Anti watching the Olympics? You would see a vast change (excuse the pun) in China’s attitude and world pockets

  15. 15 Peter Gizzi
    March 18, 2008 at 14:57

    We in The West are buying goods made in China every day yet ask what we should do! This makes us complete hypocrites! The main thing we could do is boycott the purchase of these goods. That of course will not happen.

    I agree dialogue is the only option, but should include the threat of boycotts perhaps including the Olympics (which I see as a commercial venture not sport) and the sale of goods in The West

  16. 16 Andrew Stamford
    March 18, 2008 at 14:59

    Unfortunately as long as the world sees China as a lucrative market and expects to trade with China then nothing other than concern and softly worded criticisms will come from world governments as opposed to individuals. I feel personally that the Olympics should be boycotted to show China the depth of feeling about the past 50 years of Chinese occupation and oppression in Tibet. But this is extremely unlikely. It all comes down to money, money rules this debate.

    From Jacques Rogge down the word is not to get politics involved in sport, it would not be fair to the athletes. Even athletes are voicing their objection to a boycott. Of course they are, not because they believe in the politics argument, but for their own self-interest. They do not want to lose out on their glory at the expense of some people in a far off land they will never see, they do not want to lose out on their opportunity to boost their selling power and advertising dollar by missing out on the ‘golden’ opportunity of an Olympics. These are the same athletes who regularly pop up in the popular media expressing their political values on anything and everything, so it is truly hypocritcal of them to take this stance which basically supports China and its actions in Tibet.

    This is the motivation of virtually every other group who say keep politics out of the equation. To say politics has no place there is naive. The whole point of China wanting to host the games is political. Just as the North Koreans parade about in mass displays to the ridicule of the west, so China is holding up their effort as a glorious homage to the motherland. To show to the world what the glorious revolution has achieved and the superiority of the Chinese communist model. It sounds clichéd I know, but who seriously does not doubt that this is the main driving force behind the Beijing Olympics, just as Moscow was for the Soviets. Other than the Chinese that is.

    Lets face it, if any group with any influence boycotts or suggests a boycott, then the Chinese government will retaliate and exclude them from their Chinese market, which they can do under their tight control of the economy. This is something simply inconceivable and no one will purposely ruin their standing within China for the people of Tibet.

    Andrew

    Australia

  17. 17 DOLAPO AINA
    March 18, 2008 at 15:12

    The problem in tibet has to do with the impatience s of both parties to dialogue china’s stance is one of uncompromising and tough tone with no room for leniency on her part while tibetians seem to have resolved to take whatever is thrown at them and has evidently witnesssed this collective muteness cum deprivation has come to a crescendo
    The solution is simply dialogue china has to understand that the world has changed and that minority groups who want their autonomy or independence have to be given such priveleges or grants if not this turmoil would continue dialogue would have to be the only solution because volience and opprression in whatever form cant suppress any oppressed group and lets be sincere with ourselves if china claims what she is doing is right why isnt the international media given access to tibet to be blunt without been diplomat this is another case of what we witnessed in burma.
    Dialogue is the only solution
    Dolapo aina,
    Lagos, Nigeria

  18. 18 mohammed ali
    March 18, 2008 at 15:39

    We are tired of being bugged down with this issue of Tibet. China please allow Tibet to have independence. You have over a billion and a half people to manage in your main land./ Concentrate on them.

  19. 19 Timothea
    March 18, 2008 at 15:56

    I think options 1,3,5 and 7 should all be tried simultaneously. China is changing slowly, but does not respond to threats or force, esp at this moment before the Olympics. Hosting is a source of pride for most Chinese people – I don’t think a boycott would accomplish anything.

  20. 20 Archibald Bugenvillia, Oregon
    March 18, 2008 at 16:10

    Hello Ros,

    It seems no better time for Tibet to act, China is under the microscope, hosting an event the world will be watching. It is hard to justify a humanist sporting event, such as the Olympics being hosted by a country that is actively oppressing people in other countries, yet it happens all the time, like in America.
    The situation in Tibet is not new to anyone, as I still see the faded bumper stickers “Free Tibet” on many a car here in Oregon from 10 years ago. So, why shouldn’t the Tibetans take advantage of this unusual leverage, it certainly beats the US. giving them nukes. Maybe they will host the next olympic games in Israel, so there could be a shift in the stalemate there, what fun that would be.
    If sport is the only way to redirect attention to pressing world issues, then so be it. Though it seems wholly out of balance, that up until Tibet becomes a hindrance to a major sporting event where people have invested billions, it is mostly ignored.

  21. 21 Lamii in Liberia
    March 18, 2008 at 16:17

    Dear Ros,

    I think the Tibetan problem is an internal problem that the Chinese should be left to deal with themselves, although I don’t think that it should be allowed to degenerate into the Tienanmen Square fiasco of well over a decade ago when protesters were crushed with tanks.

    I would very much like to participate in your program but I’m currently in the US and don’t have a telephone yet. Will probable call in today when I sort that problem out.
    Lamii in Liberia

  22. 22 Robert
    March 18, 2008 at 16:34

    Shame on the leaders! Are they not educated enough to know that fighting for all material things, especially land, and power cannot improve the well being of the people they lead. Resolve the differences to accommodate each other is the only solution. Educate the leaders that we are all citizens of the world. Stop to lead using culture differences, especially religion and nationalism, for their own power and material gain. Apparently, Most people, if not incited and have their choice, is to live peaceful in thier little corner of the world.

  23. 23 Will Rhodes
    March 18, 2008 at 16:41

    Option 5.

  24. 24 sara
    March 18, 2008 at 16:46

    As this problem of suppression is nothing new when it comes to China controlling Tibet, I’m not sure if there will ever be a solution as long as the rest of the world does not put pressure on China to relent. So, I say options #4 and #5. This matter has made me consider a personal boycott of the Olympics. I don’t want to watch a country who is powerful bully others due to their religious beliefs. Maybe if more people snubbed the Summer Games, China would reconsider their stance, but I doubt it.

  25. March 18, 2008 at 16:50

    China will never allow Tibet to be free if it appears to the world that China has lost face. Through dialogue, if the two sides could agree to make it appear that Tibet is a country not worthy of China and build a wall around Tibet to keep it out of Chinese territory, then Tibet will have it’s freedom.

  26. March 18, 2008 at 16:52

    Increase pressure on China diplomatically. It is very well known that China stifles freedom and commits human rights violations. Why is the international community so silent?

  27. 27 Scott Millar
    March 18, 2008 at 17:02

    The Olympics are an arrogant, commercial look at me fest. I personally will be boycotting them. HOWEVER: The IOC decided to hold them in China, clearly knowing all about China’s record.

    Even with my boycott the television I would have watched them on was probably made in China. Probably this computer I am writing this on was made in China. We all have blood on our hands by proxy.

    -Portland, Oregon

  28. 28 George USA
    March 18, 2008 at 17:03

    None of the above of course:

    Kick back and enjoy-

    authoritarian government is coming to a theater near you soon.

  29. 29 Dave
    March 18, 2008 at 17:09

    It seems to me that we are addressing this from the Western mentality and ignoring completely the historical and cultural context of the cuurent scenerio. When was the last time that China negotiated anything and then keep the contract? When waqs the last time that Tibet was free from an oppresive regime?
    As much as we don’t think Eastern, they, tibet and China, don’t think Western.

    Why is it up to us to resolve it. I don’t like what is happening and my Western maternal instinct makes me want to run in there and get it resolved. What does that say about their ability to resolve there issues. They, Tibet and China, are inteligent people. It is stimulating to talk about on WHYS but the issues are much deeper then the seven suggestions.

  30. 30 Tom
    March 18, 2008 at 17:11

    Saying Tibet is part of China is like saying Kuwait is a province of Iraq.

  31. 31 Mark Sandell
    March 18, 2008 at 17:15

    Dave, i’m aware that the issues are “much deeper than the seven suggestions” but i merely posted some i’d seen and heard being aired. I wasn’t trying to make the debate simplistic.
    None or all of them could be useful, it was merely a way of continuing the discussion in a non-judgemental way. In virtually every country around the world,politicians are being asked by their own journalists what they should do. This is a forum for you to tell us.
    Thanks for posting.

  32. March 18, 2008 at 17:15

    We have seen many times,world’s impact on troubles like in Tibet bear no fruits , how ever much we talk and condemn nothing unexpected can ever happen , am not saying we just watch as situation goes bad but we can talk nothing will be done, see what happened in Burma,Kenya all these were over because it was time for them to be over.

  33. 33 Henry via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:17

    The World should put presure on China to leave Tibet and its people alone and lets boycott the Olympic games in China, I’m sad the European Union has decided to look the other way.
    Henry in Kenya

  34. 34 eric aka eks321
    March 18, 2008 at 17:18

    perspective: everyone in the civilized world has rallied around the tibetan’s desire for independence from china. however, last weekend’s events in tibet turned into a mindless mob scene. the tibetans do nothing to advance their cause by burning, looting and murdering ethnic chinese shop owners. since the Dalai Lama promotes peace, how do these violent events support him or his cause? the bottom line is that the chinese communist government will just retreat into an even harder line stance. this will mean even more suffering and internal isolation of the tibetan people as independent media are expelled. the chinese communists do not care about world opinion in the face of violent disorder. they have already been given support from russia, because russia has an eye on its own ethnic groups that may start to agitate for independence. these major powers understand that the world community is not going to do anything to really support ethnic minorities who strive for independance. the best way to help the tibetans is through worldwide peaceful pressure, which embarrass the chinese communists. senseless violence just gives them the justification to ramp up their oppression.

  35. March 18, 2008 at 17:19

    The tibetan issue is a classic example of repression gone too far.
    As a permanent member of the UN security council, china must learn 2 respect human rights, promote democracy and freedom of press.
    china is an unstopable economic giant; infact the next super power after the Us.
    what lesson will such a big Nation be teaching the rest of the world if it continues abusing human rights?
    Mediation efforts must be given a chance since boycotting olympic games is out of question.
    Kerich from Bomet kenya.

  36. 36 Erin
    March 18, 2008 at 17:25

    I’ve spent time in both the Tibetan exiled communities and inside Tibet, and of all of the Tibetans I’ve come across–especially those INSIDE Tibet–the Dalai Lama is the most conciliatory, and open to being a part of China of any.

    The Chinese authorities would be wise to return to the negotiating table before the Dalai Lama retires or passes away. Otherwise they will be forced to negotiate with a leader who insists on independence.

  37. 37 viola anderson
    March 18, 2008 at 17:26

    If this issue is the one on the show today, I would like to ask whoever you have on as an expert why China invaded Tibet originally? I admit to ignorance on the subject. Dialogue, in my opinion, is a better option than what is happening now. Leave the Olympics out of it.

  38. 38 John in San Francisco
    March 18, 2008 at 17:27

    Ros, Your speakers have ignored wo facts. China has attempted to upsurp the Dala Lama’s religious leadership by appointing their own D. L, so if the “real” D. L should stay out of government, the Chinese government should stay out of religion. Second, the, “Chinese settlers” they refer to are being moved into the area by the government in order to pacify and change the area. Little wonder that the settlers are resented by the indigenous population.

  39. 39 Jenny
    March 18, 2008 at 17:29

    Everyone should boycott the Olympics.

    To Chinese citizens: you all seem to be blind to the fact that your country is brutalizing Tibet, and committing cultural genocide there. I’m consistently amazed by the ignorance and indifference every one of you express toward the Tibetan culture and people. China wants Tibet for its mineral wealth and as a strategic buffer to India. It also views Tibetan autonomy (autonomy, not complete independence) as a threat to its hold on Xinjiang and other minority communities.

    Wake up! For once, look at Tibet from a non-Chinese nationalist perspective. Read something not written by the Chinese government and its apologists.

    PS I travelled through China for two months and was in Tibet for one month in 1984. I have seem firsthand the love the Tibetans have for their Dalai Lama. Their religion is none of your business.

  40. 40 Tom D Ford
    March 18, 2008 at 17:32

    Robert, I think that you are a wise man for this:

    “Shame on the leaders! Are they not educated enough to know that fighting for all material things, especially land, and power cannot improve the well being of the people they lead. Resolve the differences to accommodate each other is the only solution. Educate the leaders that we are all citizens of the world. Stop to lead using culture differences, especially religion and nationalism, for their own power and material gain. Apparently, Most people, if not incited and have their choice, is to live peaceful in thier little corner of the world.”

  41. March 18, 2008 at 17:41

    The best non-violent means of protest is to boycott chinese goods. Economy is the heart of any country. When the economy starts feeling the pinch everything else will start falling into the right place.

    One of the most efficient non-violent means of revolting and achieving the true goals is non-cooperation. This was pioneered by Gandhi in India when he started boycotting british goods. That was the beginning of the end of British colonial rule in India and finally lead to the freedom of India. This was followed by Martin Luther King in USA and worked in US in eliminating segregation. This could be the only way Tibet could either become autonomous or free.

  42. 42 Kathy via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:41

    I think China has no claim on Tibet & the world should have responded when it invaded Tibet in 1950. There is no doubt that China continues a cultural genocide – destroying libraries, temples & monuments. The fact that China’s response to the Dalai Lama’s proposed peace plan in the 1980’s was to decree martial law & expell all foreigners demonstrates that China proves that it just wants Tibet as a slave state. The world should do everything possible to push China out of Tibet. Holding the olympics in China is a disgrace.

    Another point: Tibet, Nepal & parts of northern India are the source of water for a significant portion of the Asian subcontinent. We, the west, are so focused on our need for oil we are ignorent of the looming crisis of water – contol of, source, pollution of ….

    Kathy
    Oakland CA
    KALW

  43. 43 Wendi via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:42

    I do indeed still see “Free Tibet” bumper stickers here in Portland. Almost on a daily basis.


    Wendi listening on OPB in Portland, Oregon

  44. 44 Eric via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:44

    perspective: everyone in the civilized world has rallied around the tibetan’s desire for independence from china. however, last weekend’s events in tibet turned into a mindless mob scene. the tibetans do nothing to advance their cause by burning, looting and murdering ethnic chinese shop owners. since the Dalai Lama promotes peace, how do these violent events support him or his cause? the bottom line is that the chinese communist government will just retreat into an even harder line stance. this will mean even more suffering and internal isolation of the tibetan people as independent media are expelled. the chinese communists do not care about world opinion in the face of violent disorder. they have already been given support from russia, because russia has an eye on its own ethnic groups that may start to agitate for independence. these major powers understand that the world community is not going to do anything to really support ethnic minorities who strive for independance.
    the best way to help the tibetans is through worldwide peaceful pressure, which embarrass the chinese communists. senseless violence just gives them the justification to ramp up their oppression.

    eric
    melbourne beach, florida

  45. 45 Timmy via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:46

    it is one thing to let china handle their economic affairs, but when it comes to their treatment of people, I think that outside people should stand up and make their opinion known. how can anyone just sit back and watch people live in such dire conditions? In the words of Bjork, I say to the Tibetans, “Declare independence, don’t let them do that to you.”

  46. 46 Deyden via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:48

    As a Tibetan and human rights activist I have learned and seen first hand how China treats its own people, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 where thousands were killed. As we speak a prominent Chinese activist, Hu Jia, a human rights activist and commentator, is being tried for simply speaking out for human rights through his writings on the Internet. How can we support and promote a country that treats these basic freedoms so poorly?

    When the Communist Chinese Government benefits so greatly from the Olympics being in Beijing it is very difficult to separate the politics from the sport.

    Deyden in San Francisco

  47. 47 Scott Millar
    March 18, 2008 at 17:49

    People seem to be forgetting that China campaigned to host the games, through a somewhat democratic process. When you are part of a democratic process you open the door for scrutiny.

  48. March 18, 2008 at 17:50

    Your snarky Chinese gov’t apologists are equivalent to, if not much worse than, the Bush Administration. China should leave Tibet. ALL Chinese should leave. The country should be returned to its proper government. All reparations should be paid.

  49. March 18, 2008 at 17:50

    If Tibet is a domestic matter of China, then why do we worry about Darfur in Sudan? Isn’t that a domestic matter too?

    This is not about being a domestic issue or an international issue. this is about human rights.

  50. 50 linda
    March 18, 2008 at 17:51

    I was in Tibet in July, 2007. It is a totalitarian, repressive police state (unless you can get out into the mountains). The Tibetan people live in fear of the Chinese government. There are very few temples left that the Chinese government did not destroy and I came away with a sense of anger and outrage.

    During the conversations I’ve heard about this current conflict, China has not even acknowledged the brutal destruction and genocide they inflicted on this autonomous region.

    China should get out of Tibet. They have NO RIGHT to be there.

    Linda, Portland, OR

  51. 51 Ed Bagly
    March 18, 2008 at 17:52

    The host makes himself out to be a naive idiot when he corrected the caller in saying that “not everyone knows that China is attempting to destroy Tibet.” He wasn’t being impartial. He was being arrogant, and his behavior was uncalled for.

  52. 52 Andy Sabalowsky
    March 18, 2008 at 17:52

    Boycotting the olympics is definitely *not* the answer. These games are a chance for athletes to get together and find out that individuals from possibly adversarial countries our just like us. If we boycott the Olympics, there is great potential for the system to devolve into separate games of the Americas, Europe, Asia, etc., instead of the getting-together of all peoples of the world no matter what the political climate.

    As an American, I know it is unrealistic for this country, which depends on Chinese imports, to suddenly ban imports.

    Not that it has yet worked for Israel and Pelestine, I am hopeful that mediated bilateral talks and treaties are the best option. The Tibetans have indicated a willingness to compromise. I think having a multilateral mediating team from, say, India, Japan, and perhaps some slect Western representatives to force the Chinese government to compromise as well has a chance.

  53. 53 Tim via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:52

    After decades of occupation (hard to call it anything else) the Tibetans have had enough. The only reason things haven’t gone violent long before this is because of the influence of the Dali Lama. I can’t imagine any country putting up with what has happened in Tibet since 1954 without becoming violent.

    Unfortunately the “embedded” coverage that people around the world get to see doesn’t expose the reality of life there. If you can find it I suggest a film called “What’s left of Us” filmed illegally in Tibet – paints a different picture of how much “better” things are for most Tibetans

    Boycott or the threat of one may be the only way to influence the Chinese government to rethink their position.

    Tim in San Francisco listening on KALW

  54. 54 Wink via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:55

    I live in Portland, and indeed I see “Free Tibet” bumperstickers on a daily basis.

    Personally, I have one on my car, except it says “Free Tibet… Buy One China, Get Tibet Free!”

    It’s difficult not to try to take the piss out of how serious people get about something so global. I don’t understand why China feels the need to occupy Tibet, but if so, the Tibetans have a right to respond as they feel necessary and ask the U.N. and world gov’ts to help them.

    Bumperstickers on cars are just ways for people to make themselves feel “involved” about an issue without having to really do anything about it.
    That’s why I have a joke one on my car.

    Cheers,
    Wink

  55. 55 Davey via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:55

    It seems to me that all of the Pro-Chinese guests are just that–biased, pro-China porpaganda agents whose lack of objectivity towards Tibet has succeded in making me think of not only boycotting the Olympics but encouraging others to do so as well.

    Davey

  56. 56 Jane via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:57

    I am writing from Oregon. I think that there are many people in the US who have bumper stickers on their cars saying ‘Free Tibet’. I would encourage anyone who wants to get on this Free Tibet bandwagon to do their own extensive research on these issues; most people only get the media bites in the US and don’t really understand the situation.
    Jane

  57. 57 Peter via email
    March 18, 2008 at 17:58

    They are not permitted to select their own leadership. They are not permitted self-governance. They are the targets of Chinese government surveillance, “re-education,” imprisonment, and economic oppression.
    They cannot regulate their own land, or address their own needs.

    Tibet has never been a “part of China” the way the Chinese government pretends it had been.

    Tibet was an autonomous region with self-governance in all respects except in foreign military policy, until the Chinese invasion in 1952.

    If a people are not permitted to thrive, they will rebel or eventually be ethnically cleansed.

    China gained the olympic games in part, because they promised to relent in their oppressive practices. If they are violating the agreed terms, then a boycott of watching the games, or attending the games is entirely appropriate.

    Peter

  58. 58 Richard via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:06

    Dear WHYS,

    Despite the rather pitiful attempts by your Chinese Government apologists on air today, it’s painfully obvious to the rest of the world that China has no respect for other cultures, countries or peoples. Even a casual student of Chinese history knows that what the Communists are carrying out now, the Emperors did before…the domination of Asia by the Chinese. They will be defeated, as they have been in the past, but unfortunately a great deal of blood will have to be shed to stop them.

    The world is filled with countries led by sociopaths. China is the biggest of these. I hope the next American President will agree to defend Tibet, Taiwan and others seeking freedom from the Chinese Empire.

    Regards,
    Richard

  59. 59 Pawan Kumar
    March 18, 2008 at 18:10

    we should boycott the games. tibet is not a domestic matter of china just like kosovo was not for serbia.

  60. 60 Bryn
    March 18, 2008 at 18:12

    I think that dialogue between the Dalai Lama and the Chinese Government would be best for the Tibetans and the Chinese as both of them would be able to voice their differences face to face instead of using their propaganda tools.

    However I sadly think that it is unlikely after Premier Wen Jiabao’s comments today.

  61. 61 Dennis in Nigeria
    March 18, 2008 at 18:15

    Its time for the United Nations to go into Tibet and save lives.

  62. March 18, 2008 at 18:16

    Dear International Friends,

    Genuine non-violent, respectful and reciprocal dialogue is vital now. Panchen Lama and his family must be freed. They have a right to live freely.

    Please support Tibetan exile communities in your nation and patronize Tibetan businesses. The website of the Tibetan Association of Northern California is http://www.tanc.org

    Please urge the UN to assist in Tibet during this difficult time of crisis. Please write to the President of China expressing your concerns. Please urge your governments to assist the Tibetan peoples who have suffered all the lamentable consequences of a violent dictatorship. Please urge China to stop fabricating lies about Dalai Lama’s genuine and non-violent beliefs to resolve this situation.

    Your Excellency Louise Arbour
    High Commissioner for Human Rights
    UNOHCHR

    Dear High Commissioner Arbour and Partners in International Human Rights Protection,

    I hope this message finds you and your good staff very well. I am deeply concerned about what is befalling the Tibetan people of Tibet. I visited Tibet in 2006 just before the Tibetan ani (nun) was shot dead by the Chinese near Nangpa Pass. I was serving as an International Expert in China where I conducted UNESCO-LINKS and UNDESA project research through the UN Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues with the Kam Ethnic minority and relevant ministries responsible for ethnic development.

    There have been and are Chinese informants planted in the streets and monasteries of Lhasa therefore it is no surprise how rapidly the Chinese military took action in
    Lhasa. Tibetan people are watched and heavily scrutinized by Chinese informants and are imprisoned and severely punished. They are forbidden to have a photo of the Dalai Lama or speak his name in public. They love him very much and hope he returns to them. They are not free in their own land. They suffer daily because of Chinese abuses and racism toward them, which is very sad and unfortunate. I saw Chinese physically abusing Tibetan people while in Lhasa. I witnessed a Han boy who was abandoned by his parents. I took him to the local police as he was living outside of a monastery and the kind Tibetan people were assisting him with food, clothing and blankets.

    I saw a Chinese man robbing a Tibetan woman. I threatened to contact the police and he returned the goods and left. I saw a Chinese woman brutally beating a Tibetan worker at Norbulingka because she came late and wanted more tickets for her group of 7. The Tibetan man never fought back. The violent woman broke her umbrella by severely beating this innocent and peaceful man. I broke up the abuse and reported this to the police and the office at Norbulingka and documented this in writing however
    nothing was done. Many Chinese are unfortunately very disrespectful of Tibetan people. I witnessed drunken Chinese men beating impoverished Tibetan people on the streets of Lhasa. I broke this up and informed the police. This is not acceptable for Chinese to enter the Tibetan holy land and impose their smoking, drinking, loud firecrackers and prostitution. I stayed in a Chinese hotel in Lhasa, which was filthy and disgusting. People had defecated in the shower room. Where is the pride and care? I left the hotel and went to stay at a Tibetan establishment, which was very clean, secure and inexpensive. Why should the Chinese be permitted to behave this way in the Tibetan holy land? It is a desecration of Tibetan culture and Tibetan life ways. This is not right and needs to be examined.

    There must be certain laws set down to establish respect for Tibetan culture and life ways but the Chinese government feels that it makes the laws and denies the value of Tibetan religion. This is a core problem. They have destroyed many holy places, which hurts all of us in a diverse and rich multicultural world. The Chinese are developing unsustainably and consider economics their focal point… I saw this with my own eyes. I was awarded an International Expert Friendship Award by the Chinese government of Hunan for my contributions to Education for Sustainable Development and assisting orphans, poor and homeless elders of China.

    Many Chinese behaviors in Tibet are not acceptable. While in Nepal in 2006, I informed UN Peacekeepers that assistance is needed in Lhasa because of the Chinese abuses I witnessed in my travels. There must be a time of healing and mutually respectful dialogue and genuine respect. Many Chinese believe that they are racially superior. This is a fallacy, which the government is perpetuating. Too many innocent people have been hurt and killed in Tibet. I urge UNOHCHR to please take action to keep the peace. The Chinese almost confiscated our legitimately purchased train tickets to Tibet. My friend from Australia lost his ticket to Chinese police because this teacher in China was traveling alone to Tibet. Chinese policies are unethical. People are bought and sold on the streets and pay offs are common. Chinese leaders in autonomous ethnic minority regions of China pocket funds intended for ethnic regional development. Han people purchase papers stating that they are ethnic minority people so that they can obtain educational scholarships and other benefits intended for ethnic minorities of China. It is a disgrace. Why should China have the privilege of hosting the international peace games when they do not behave ethically? I am boycotting the Olympics and Chinese goods. Panchen Lama and his family must be freed. They have a right to freedom and to live in peace.

    Dalai Lama is a peaceful and honest man. He is certainly not responsible for the violence. He calls for peace, respectful dialogue and calm. We suffer when our Tibetan people are hurt and are not living in freedom and peace and have to flee their homes and live in refugee communities. Tibetan people have the right to live in peace and freedom in their sacred lands.

    Please help the Tibetan communities now. I fear that more lives will be taken by the Chinese military by its brute force and ideology of superiority and that they have a right to harm innocent peacefully protesting people. I am strongly opposed to violence. My family survived the Holocaust but many members that remained in Poland did not. The Chinese cannot break the spirit and spirituality of the Tibetan people. I cannot accept violence and racist Chinese policies toward the Tibetan people, who keep our world in balance with their prayers.

    I urge the UNOHCHR to please enter Tibet and assist to keep peace. Many Chinese are unethical and very disrespectful of Tibetan prayers and culture in the Tibetan holy land. They walk counter clockwise at Barkhor around the sacred Johkang Temple when it is clear and respectful to walk clockwise. Many Chinese ignore this custom and defy this by walking counter clockwise. This is culturally insensitive and disrespectful. This is precisely the problem: Widespread disrespect by Han Chinese toward Tibetan people and their cultural norms and traditions. The Chinese government perpetuates this norm by denouncing Tibetan religion and lying to the citizens of China.

    Dalai Lama is not a separatist as he is portrayed. I shared with my ethnic minority graduate students at the Research Institute of Anthropology and Ethnology, Jishou University in Hunan his teachings. They recited Dalai Lama’s teachings and considered them good and wise. They did not know that the Dalai Lama was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. They are kept ignorant and uninformed. This is not fair to the ethnic minority peoples of China. They should have the right to read, see and hear international news that is not screened through biased Chinese government media.

    Please see our website of photos of our work in Asia with indigenous peoples of Tibet, Nepal and China by my team member, John Amato RN: http://www.pbase.com/jamato8

    The Chinese have trashed Chomolungma Base Camp by using the toilets as garbage dumps. They honk their horns excessively and speed on the unpaved road, which
    frightens wildlife and impacts Tibetan horsemen and their pony carts leaving them in the dust. This is unethical and inappropriate for a protected area. I recommended that only emergency vehicles should be permitted at Chomolungma Base Camp. I alerted World Heritage UNESCO and the IUCN about this significant problem.

    Please enter Tibet to prevent the escalation of violence by the Chinese toward peaceful Tibetan people. Chinese have and will torture and kill Tibetan people. Their policies and human rights abuses are extreme and intolerable. We cannot stand by watching and waiting. We need to enter and stand to protect the Tibetan people. This is very real and serious.

    Justice needs to prevail. I am very concerned that we will wait too long as we did with Burma and Darfur. We must act early and prevent further abuses and damage. The Holocaust in Tibet is a reality. We saw the violent history and injustices by the Chinese and we do not want this to occur again.

    I am available to assist immediately if I can help you. I have friends in Tibet, China and Nepal and in Tibetan communities of these countries and in the USA. We dearly want peace and understanding and respect. Many Chinese regard money as more important than life and spirit. This is a problem that is very real. It is spoiling opportunities for a better way. Tibet was a peaceful place and now there are fire crackers, filth and prostitution. We cannot accept this in the holy city of Lhasa. It is sacred ground but many Chinese do not respect this.

    We need your intervention now. I am here to assist and will go to Lhasa and China to speak with the leadership if I can help you. I speak fluent Mandarin and some Tibetan. World Care will assist with educational and medical supplies into Tibet if we are permitted entry. Please see our website: http://www.worldcare.org

    Thank you very much for your consideration. It is time to act for peace and equity. We must assure that Tibetan people will not be harmed by violence and that their holy land and culture will be safeguarded.

    Sincerely,

    Dr.Amy Eisenberg

  63. 63 Jane
    March 18, 2008 at 18:28

    I am Chinese, living aboard. Growing up, I was taught that Tibet was part of China, I am proud of having Tibetan culture as part of my heritage. I will be very sad one day Tibet separates from China, becomes independent. But I cannot agree with what Chinese government has done to Tibetan people and culture in the past years; killing is especially wrong!

    Why can we, as Chinese, respect Tibetans’ choice, and their way of living. History is far behind us. We don’t live with our sisters or brothers forever under the same roof… and we don’t kill them if they ever decided to move out. Let’s treating Tibetans as our / Chinese family, and it will bring the peace to all of us.

    Jane @ San Francisco

  64. March 18, 2008 at 18:37

    The chinese representatives in the the discussion panel do not seem to realize that no form of protest or dissent is not allowed by the Chinese government. If the Chinese government is not suppressing anyone, why are journalists not allowed into Tibet?

  65. 65 Maximillian via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:37

    There is a limit to the amount of tosh we can put up with.

    China invaded Tibet in 1959 because things were not going so well with Taiwan at the time. The fact that there are minerals in Tibet helps a little bit to explain the mainland position. The PRC Communist position is indefensible, but nations do get emotional about supposed rights.

    Maybe there is a map showing Chinese control in the past over Tibet. I am sure I can produce some maps showing British control over North America. So what? In fact, the people in Tibet have a different ethnicity and a long history of independence.

    I am ashamed that theWest is currently so silent when Tibetan people are crying out for their human rights and the rights they enjoy under the United Nations Charter.

    Best wishes,

    Maximillian

  66. 66 Kathy via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:42

    Sorry I couldnt get to this during the show.

    “The world doing everthing possible”…means to me that significant pressure be applied – mostly econimic because I think the Chinese gov’t is focused on $$$.
    How about forbidding US corporations from doing business in China- like we do with Cuba. The’re both communist govenments with lousy human rights records,
    after all! As an individual I always look to see
    where goods are made & try to avoid China & Israel.

    My country, the US, has just taken China off its list of countries having the worst human rights records.
    What message was given to China by this action?-money
    & convenience trumps all & to hell with ethics. Why
    haven’t more countries and/or people stood up to tell China its behavior is wrong? I’d like to see diplomacy used because talking out a problem is the best way but we(US) don’t have anyone in our current
    gov’t who has diplomatic compentencies.

    On a different note, I have several friends from Nepal who tell me that China has laid claim to the half of Mt Everest bordering China. China nows draws its border across the mountain not at the foot where they should. My friends tell me that Nepal protested & tried to get support from the west but were not successfull. Nepal is far too small to standup to China. I don’t think China will stop invading the small countries at their border until it controls the water from those mountains. I don’t trust my own country to do the right thing when it comes to world resources & I certainly don’t trust China.

    Kathy
    Oakland CA
    KALW

  67. 67 Wiri in Nigeria via text
    March 18, 2008 at 18:43

    I think it is wrong to consider boycoting the olympics.

  68. 68 Boniface via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:43

    What is happening in Tibet is a world concern,the international community should come in and find a diplomatic solution.When we had problems here in kenya the international community came in and now we a talking of peace with the interest of all the parties considered.
    Boniface in Kenya

  69. 69 Al via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:44

    Ask where Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, the 11th Panchen Lama is? He was kidnapped by the Chinese Government in 1996 shortly after he was chosen, when he was only 6 years old and replaced by another boy chosen by China.

    He has not been seen since he was kidnapped…

  70. 70 Kim via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:44

    Yup, we have Free Tibet stickers all over here, and also a large amount of Tibetan prayer flags hanging from front porches.

    Kim in Portland

  71. 71 Dave via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:45

    With respect, having listened to your naïve Chinese guests on air, I presume, I’ll be happy to send them pics of Tank Man and recommend a lovely book Wild Swans if they really want to know about their perceived humble government…we all know it is anything but that. Enough said.

    Dave

  72. 72 Donna via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:46

    I think that the UN AND Britain should encourage dialogue between Tibet and China and those who have been exiled should be able to return to their country without fear. The world’s press MUST have free access to the country and the people so that there is greater transparency. I have always had the greatest respect for the people of Tibet and the peaceful path that they have pursued up to now and I think it is up to the people who support their cause around the world to put pressure on China to change their policies on Tibet and people around the world should do this by whatever peaceful means they have available to them.

  73. 73 Isabelle via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:46

    BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT!
    LET’S BOYCOTT CHINA
    NOT ONLY THE O.G.
    LET’S NOT BUY CHINESE ANYMORE

    Isabelle in Belgium

  74. 74 Rory via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:49

    Now I have heard everything. The man who said millions of people should go to China- to put a spotlight on CHina etc etc would help democracy etc ?
    Send people to visit people who have killed innocents in Tian a Min Sq?
    Lhasa?
    So lets send people to Hitler?
    How mercurial and mercanitle the world is.
    And immoral.

  75. 75 Suresh
    March 18, 2008 at 18:50

    1. Non-violent boycott and civil disobedience are acceptable ways of demonstrating dissatisfaction with the status quo.

    2. Boycotting the Olympics is a relatively small price to pay as compared to the liberty of a whole culture and people

    3. This is a perfect time to pressure China to resolve the Tibetan autonomy issue prior to the Olympics so the Chinese could continue to show-case China to the world.

    4. It’s time for the rich countries to set aside economic considerations to promote humanist values.

  76. 76 Jennifer via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:56

    I don’t think a boycott is justified. Reforms in China only really started taking shape when interaction increased with the rest. China is not going to respond to hard tactics, but increase in tourism and interaction and suble tactics are the only thing that will work.

  77. 77 Thomas via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:57

    His Holiness The Dalai Lama is ready to make compromises because he realises that it wouldn’t be easy for China to let go of a region they believe is part of their country. The Chinese government should be ready to listen and compromise. For now the world should only encourage the Chinese government to open up to dialogue and scrutiny of its policies.
    Thomas in Kitwe, Zambia.

  78. 78 Ken in London
    March 18, 2008 at 18:57

    My old atlas shows clearly that Tibet is a part of China. Let the Chinese sort it out for themselves.

    Ken in Battersea, London

  79. 79 Markus
    March 18, 2008 at 18:57

    Do not boycott the games, get in touch with chinese people,
    show them, that you live in a world, where human rights are respected,
    how free you can live, how tolerant the government is,
    invite them to your home, just to plant the view for human rights in China.
    That more people do not believe blindy everything the press or the government tells.

    Tibet is just a big problem, that attracts Dalai Lama fans even in Europe and America, but what about all the ecological defenders, human rights lawyers and
    other critic persons, whose human rights are inexistent in the China – outside of
    Tibet. Nearly nobody around the world knows about them, they do not have
    such a big lobby like Tibet.

    There is the main problem, if China and the Chinese people can not stand up
    for their individual human rights and they are accepted – even by the
    government, the tibetian problem will stay the same.

    Kindly regards,

    Markus

  80. 80 Suresh via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:57

    1. Non-violent boycott and civil disobedience are acceptable ways of demonstrating dissatisfaction with the status quo.

    2. Boycotting the Olympics is a relatively small price to pay as compared to the liberty of a whole culture and people

    3. This is a perfect time to pressure China to resolve the Tibetan autonomy issue so they could show-case China to the world.

    4. It’s time for the rich countries to set aside economic considerations to promote humanist values.

    Thanks.

    Suresh

  81. 81 Rory via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:59

    So – now we also hear that Britain has billions invested in China. So it is more and more like the 2nd World War and Jewish persecution.
    Pope Pius and Britain ignored Hitler for as olong as they could without losing business and poltical face.
    Ask a simple question.
    People die while you are stil making your millions and sipping your Earl Grey Tea in business clubs.

  82. 82 Jennifer via email
    March 18, 2008 at 18:59

    Since when has the olympics been about human rights? its about a creating a special space and time where there will be a cessation of war and violence to celebrate the unity of humanity through sport.

    Best,
    Jennifer
    Mount pleasant MIchigan

  83. 83 Janica via email
    March 18, 2008 at 19:33

    When to intervene has always been a swinging pendulum.

    I think of it this way — If I were invited to dinner at a house where I know for a fact the parents physically abuse their kids and witnessed this abuse going on as I ate dinner, I would *not* be able to continue eating dinner pretending everything is a-okay.

    The women’s movement made the family a castle, a despotism where intervention in a person’s parenting techniques is almost taboo. Post World War II, the world has looked down on intervention as a last resort.

    But there comes a point where you just cannot accept a country’s hospitality to you while turning a blind eye to how that very same country treat’s its own!

    Janica
    NYC

  84. 84 Boniface in Kenya via email
    March 18, 2008 at 19:37

    Three questions:
    1.Is dalai lama a name or a title.
    2.how does Tibet operate,is there ministries and institutions,are they operated by china or tibet?
    3.What special interests does china have in Tibet.

  85. 85 Katharina in Ghent
    March 18, 2008 at 19:45

    1,2,5,6,7

    To summarize it: Everybody likes the Dalai Lama, because he’s this nice guy in the orange dress, always smiling, and Nobody cares even a little about the people in Tibet. The same care goes to all the other regions in need: Darfur, Afganistan, Iraq,… The only reason we hear maybe a little bit more about it on the news is because it’s so nice to do a little bit of China-bashing, while we use the computer which is most likely to a large part made in China and use all the other commodities that originate there. We love to hate what we depend on, and we depend on China to produce cheap goods for us. I think the only way to go is slow continous opening up of China and a democratization process, which allows Chinese to start building their own opinion about their country instead of just swallowing what the government feeds them.

  86. 86 George USA
    March 18, 2008 at 20:05

    Tom March 18, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Saying Tibet is part of China is like saying Kuwait is a province of Iraq.
    …………………

    Oil in Tibet?

  87. March 18, 2008 at 22:29

    Does China think that the people in the rest of the countries are so stupid to believe China’s twisted words that the Dali Lama instgated this violence, he is a man of peace. China’s barbaric ways and refusal to respect human lives are nothing new, they keep covering up for their miss deeds, She should stop trying to bluff us pretending to be so good and respectfull of Tibetians. China has no business in occupieing Tibet on false baseless grounds. Its about time she stopped bullying the peace loving peoples of Tibet and leave Tibet to the Tibetians whose rights have been destroyed. I suppose other counties which are powefull can find an excuse to occupy a neighbouring country as China has done.

  88. 88 Dedi Ramba
    March 18, 2008 at 23:12

    It seems outsiders are more Tibetans than Tibetans themselves. Why would outsiders call for an independant Tibet while Dalai Lama himself calls for autonomy?

    I think political leaders have to emerge from Tibet and state clearly to the world what their demands are.

  89. March 19, 2008 at 00:01

    How about this for a novel idea. the BBC as a publicly funded institution with obligations to its stakeholders, broadcasts challenging, independent, forceful, balanced, factual and honest programmes on the reality of life inside occupied Tibet. Unlike the appalling ‘A Year in Tibet’. More information at:

    http://gopetition.com/petitions/bbc-whitewashes-tibet.html

  90. 90 Jeff Minter
    March 19, 2008 at 00:30

    As a british person of chinese ethnicity, I say:

    – Boycott the Chinese Olympic Games
    – Boycott all Chinese products
    – FREE TIBET!!!

    That is all.

  91. 91 Jeff Minter
    March 19, 2008 at 00:45

    In case anyone was wondering, that last post by me was rather tongue in cheek. It’s just that everyone is pretty much so anti-China, anti-Chinese these days, there’s no point debating the matter; any comments will fall on deaf ears with the response “OMG, you’re a Commie Agent brainwashed by your own Government”. Bit of advice – look in the mirror.

  92. 92 Syed Hasan Turab
    March 19, 2008 at 05:38

    Concept of huge country has gone after downfall of former USSR this is why world have to react in an aggressive way not like KASHMIR.

  93. 93 pendkar
    March 19, 2008 at 06:17

    It does not matter how I may want to react to trouble in Tibet. China has created such conditions that what the international community thinks about its Tibet policy does not matter much to it. China is a formidable military power and no country is going to force it to listen to any criticism. Short of stopping all trade with it, nothing is effective. But blocking China’s economic progress is not a good thing to do, as it would affect its large population.Anyway, it is not practical as no nation is willing to make such a sacrifice.

    All Tibetans can do is wait it out. Some day, fifty or hundred years, or two hundred years later, china will hopefully loosen its hold on Tibet. Tibetans need to find strategies to survive and maintain their identity until that happens.

  94. 94 George USA
    March 19, 2008 at 15:05

    Jeff Minter-

    Boycotting Chinese goods has positive economic effects

    without regard to Tibet or ethnicity.

    Balance of Trade.

  95. 95 Rasuz via email
    March 19, 2008 at 17:23

    I think that the world should plead with the Dalai Lama to make peace, as it was said that he instigated the unrest somehow…

    I am Rasuz (musician) Abuja Nigeria.

  96. March 19, 2008 at 21:12

    The leaders of China are forgetting their past history, for years and years the ‘War Lords’ in China fought each other which caused endless suffering to their people.
    World War 2 Japan conquered China in the most brutal way, in Nanking several Chinese were buried alive even though they did not resist. Japan regrets this.
    Since the occupation of Tibet some 50 years ago the Tibetans are made to suffer in the same ruthless way. What the Japanese did to China, China is doing to the Tibetans. It is quite simple, China is for the Chinese people, Tibet is for the Tibitans just as Russia is for the Russians and so on. It is no wonder the United Nations or any other nation, never forced by military or other means to make China to give up its occupation of Tibet, simply because China is strong militarilly and China knows it, as a bully with a big stick.
    Like past demonstratios by the common people of China against the government in Tianaman Square, the military cracked down severely and ruthlessly. If their own people can be subjugated in this way, it is easy to give the orders to do the same to another country’s people.
    For China to have a voice in the U.N. with regard to similar events between other nations, is for China to set an example in her own back yard.

  97. 97 Cliff
    March 20, 2008 at 04:43

    I want to say that is was shocked at Ros Atkins bias in this WHYS! Usually he is fairly even handed, but on this topic he kept refusing to hear the historical argument about the invasion of Tibet, saying that that was in the past and did not offer a way forward. He is forgetting that in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia kept alive the idea of independence and out-waited the soviet empire! In East Timor they survived horrendous exploitation and oppression by the Indonesian milliitary and wrested their country back from them. There are many more examples from around the globe and throughout history. Part of these culturally distinct people’s ‘solution’ was to remember their story of former independence and invasion to keep them going and outlast their opponents. This should not be dismissed by Ros Atkins or anyone else.

  98. 98 Holly
    March 20, 2008 at 08:27

    I would choose option 5…
    Give Tibet the autonomy that they were promised in the 17 points back in the 50s. No wonder they are angry, the Chinese have reneged on those promises.
    Flash to the future… the Hun Chinese have oppressed the Tibetans, imprisoned tortured, killed them for their beliefs. The Hun are given preference in jobs and political power. The people that have benefitted from economic gain has been the Hun… products exported and money sent back to their families not spent in Tibetan regions.
    This is called privilege, and promotes racism. The Chinese have done it to themselves.

  99. 99 Jeff Minter
    March 20, 2008 at 11:50

    @George, USA

    yes, tell that to the millions of ordinary chinese people, previously in poverty/starving, who relies on foreign trade to earn a living. Or do they not matter in your view of “positive economic effects”?

    @Holly

    have some decency to call an ethnicity by their proper name. We are gradually dehumanising the Han Chinese, and at times of anger and resentment (much like in Tibet) the ones who suffer are the Overseas Chinese who emigrated to get away from exactly this sort of political/racial/economic strife.

  100. 100 Rabiya Limbada
    March 25, 2008 at 14:21

    From Xie_Ming

    The Chinese invasion of Tibet was accomplished 800 years ago. The Manchu exercised effective control for hundreds of years. Western imperialists invaded China and complicated this administration. The Chinese military again entered Tibet fifty years ago and incorporated Tibet.

    Like the Irish and the Scots concerning English rule, many Tibetans are not happy with this.

    Is this a worthy cause compared to Palestine? There, a racist diaspora converged from many different nations to terrorize, displace, and ethnically cleanse the native population whom the invader’s religious ideology styles as “like animals”, worthy only to be tolerated as “daily humiliated servants”.

    Again, it appears that “causes” tend to be selected among soft targets that are unable to cause difficulties for the espousers.

  101. 101 Rabiya Limbada
    March 25, 2008 at 14:23

    VictorK

    Xie Ming: your historical claims about Tibet are ‘not quite accurate’ (this is me doing my best to observe Ros’s Commandments).

    A treaty between China and Tibet in the year 821 (1200 years ago) ‘acknowledged frontiers favourable to Tibet’. That is the starting point for the false Chinese claims that Tibet has always been a part of China.

    For the next 400 years Tibet was ruled by Tibetans. There was no Chinese invasion 800 years ago as you claim. In the year 1207 the Tibetans (wisely)submitted to the Mongols. In the year 1279 Kublai Khan accomplished the Mongol conquest of China (and founded the Yuan dynasty). The relationship between the Yuan and Tibet is described as a personal bond between the priest (the lama) and the emperor who acted as his patron. A succession of Sa-skya lamas resided at the Chinese court and administered Tibet on behalf of the Mongols (not the Chinese). By the time the native Ming dynasty expelled the Mongols from China Tibet had regained its independence.

    The 5th Dalai Lama visited the Chinese court in 1653 at the invitation of the Manchu emperor of the recently established Ching dynasty. He visited as the ruler of an independent country.

    In the early 18th century Chinese concerns over growing Mongol influence in Tibet’s domestic affairs led to the emperor dispatching troops into Tibet, who in 1720 drove out the Mongol Dzungars who had invaded Tibet in 1717 and seized power (on the pretext of avenging the 6th Dalai Lama, who was deposed in 1705). The emperor appointed representatives at Lhasa charged with watching over Chinese interests, Ambans, who were supported by a small contingent of troops. The Tibetans took this to be a repeat of the patron-priest relationship that obtained under the Yuan dynasty and got on with the business of managing their internal affairs.

    The Chinese intervened several times in Tibetan affairs during the rest of the 18th century, but never incorporated Tibet into China and never administered the country. The relationship between the two countries is generally described as one of Chinese suzerainty. Throughout the 19th century Tibet became increasingly free of Chinese influence, to the point that when Tibet was involved in two wars (with Ladakh in 1842 and against Nepal in 1858) China offered neither aid nor protection.

    A military British expeditionary force to Tibet in 1903 defeated Tibetan resistance and concluded an Anglo-Tibetan treaty in 1904 (without Chinese involvement). In 1906 the Chinese concluded a treaty with Britain recognising their suzerainty over Tibet. The treaty was never agreed to by the Tibetans and ignored the fact that Chinese suzerainty had had no practical existence for decades. This inspired the Chinese to seize direct control of Tibet by force, for the first time in 900 years. In 1910 the Dalai Lama fled to India (deja vu).

    After the 1911 Chinese Revolution the Tibetans expelled all Chinese from their country and formally declared their independence. Between 1913 and 1935 there was no official Chinese presence in Tibet. In 1935 the Tibetans admitted a Chinese ‘condolence mission’ into their country following the death of the 13th Dalai Lama. It established an office in Lhasa. During WWII, despite Chinese and Allied pressure, Tibet remained neutral.

    In 1949, in the face of communist successes in China, the Tibetans expelled the Chinese mission in Lhasa.

    In October 1950 the Chinese invaded and conquered Tibet (the UN, as dishonourable then as now, declined to respond to an appeal by the Dalai Lama).

    Tibetans, resenting the demands on their country’s resources by an influx of Chinese military and civilian personnel, took to guerilla warfare against the Chinese occupiers, culminating in a popular uprising in 1959. The Dalai Lama, his Ministers and a large number of followers fled Tibet. The Tibetan uprising was crushed by the Chinese.

    Tibet was subjected to government by military dictatorship. Tibet’s social and cultural traditions were destroyed in an attempt to force them into a Chinese template. All private property was seized by the Chinese communists. The country was organised into peasant associations as a prelude to forced collectivisation. Chinese rule was characterised by a state monopoly of agricultural production (leading to near-famine in 1961 and 1962), a ban on travel by Tibetans – turning the entire country into a prison camp – , a harsh penal code applied to Tibetans, and forced labour for known and suspected dissidents.

    China’s mission to destroy Tibet as a nation and re-invent it as a part of China by a deliberate policy of Sinifcation underpinned by falsified history was now well underway.

    That, Xie Ming, is a corrective to what you wrote about Tibet.

    Your references to Scots and Irish under English rule appears to be uninformed. There is certainly no parallel with Tibet. Please explain what you had in mind.

    Are you really referring to the Chinese in Tibet when you write about a racist diaspora…etc? The parallel of rqcism you draw with the Israelis is open to debate. But your comparison falls on all other points. The UN was involved in the creation of Israel. The bulk of Palestinian terriotory never came within the newly formed Jewish state (this is why some would argue that the Palestinians already have a state and it’s called ‘Jordan’). There never has been a Palestinian nation in the way that there has always been a Tibetan nation. And the Israelis are far less brutal and inhumane than the Chinese.

  102. 102 Wan Ping
    March 29, 2008 at 18:43

    People who want to be free should be set free, and that includes Tibetans and Chinese. The days of one party autocraticdicatotorship are numbered.
    1. Taiwan openly decalre independence
    2. Hong Kong becoem an indenpendent country liek Singapore.
    3. It is a given that TIBET WAS, IS and WILL BE FREE. It is ludicrous by whatever stretch of imagination to claim that the so called “china” ever had any claim over Tibet.
    4. Arm TAIWAN and TIBET to the teeth and teach the bloody commies and PLA a lesson. As long as they dont get a severe bloody nose they think they can get away with murderi, including own citizens.
    5. Chinese reading this, if you think the CCP and PLA are doing anything good for your own welfare, dont be fooled – long term they are definitely sowing the seeds of ruin. Your children would curse you for not getting and fighting fo ryour own freedom and instead believeing in communist propaganda.

    IF you see the commies are really scared of political freedom, media freedom, free elections, democracy as a model and religious freedom. Most of these commies who have murdered their own citizens to the thousands should stand trial once.

    Long Live Tibet, Taiwan, Buddhism, Peace and freedom and harmony in the world.

    Thanks.

  103. 103 Wan Ping
    March 29, 2008 at 18:57

    The first minimum step that people and countries which have conscience and backbone should do:
    1. Boycott Olympics lock , stock and barrel. Dont give any recognition to such a brutal bunch of thugs masquerading as rulers. This is just a military junta ruling by terror in Tibet, Terror in Xinjian and Uighur and ofcourse their own citizens. If any one inside China including genuine chinese ask for freedom they dont get to live – they are simply killed.
    2. Boycott Chinese goods – if the world wants to see any significant change and the flowering of the beautiful and original Tibetan, Mongol, Chinese, Uighur, Taiwanese – this so called current china which was fictitiously created by mere brutal military means should all have their freedoms.
    3. Just because some people look like the chinese, china cannot claim it. By the same token which is China not claiming Kora or Japan, or Vietnam – because they will get a bloody nose if they did. And fo rthose that don’t know, Tibetans may look like Chinese and there ends all similarity. The tibetans have different language (their script is nothing like the chinese – it may be more Indian in origin), their culture is different and they are buddihists to the core.
    4. Long term strategies – is for other people and countries to support the freedom of everyone within so called China
    5. Finally Tibetans and Uighurs will be left with no choice but to take up arms when they are brutally suppressed and their demography chnaged and made a minority in their own native lands.
    .6. Wake up consciens of the world.

  104. 104 Dennis Young, Jr.
    May 9, 2008 at 00:23

    The world should imposed sanctions on the Chinese
    communist party!

    Dennis~~Madrid, United States of America


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