26
Feb
08

Should we all be on a DNA database?

A British police chief has called for a nationwide DNA database, after two high profile murder cases were solved with the help of DNA evidence.

Is it time that each person’s DNA is stored on a government database, to assist future investigations?

In fact, Britain already has the largest forensic database in the world per capita, with 6% of the population registered on it. Anybody arrested on suspicion of a recordable offence must submit a sample, which is recorded permanently.

In Sweden, only criminals who have served two or more years in prison are required to give a sample. 

On Wednesday, the European Court of Human Rights will hear a landmark case which could change UK law on storing DNA details.

Two men who faced charges of harassment, which were later dropped, will argue that their DNA should be cleared from the national database.

Would you mind having your DNA stored on a database, if it helped to convict dangerous criminals? Or is it a worrying infringement of your human rights?


24 Responses to “Should we all be on a DNA database?”


  1. 1 steve
    February 25, 2008 at 13:41

    You deserve to have no liberty if you agree to this. Pretty soon they’ll be arresting people for spitting on the sidewalk. It would be so easy to frame someone if there were a national database and someone could get a sample from you.. People are so sick these days that they would do that just to get at you.

  2. 2 John in Salem
    February 25, 2008 at 13:57

    I cannot imagine any violation of privacy more likely to be manipulated and abused than a national DNA database.
    That being said, I think it’s enevitable.

  3. February 25, 2008 at 14:38

    I think that is a great idea, I think the US shoud do that, it will solve a lot crimes and will save time and money for our country.
    If you do not have anything to fear you should not protest this or object on it. There is no privacy issue here. I will be the first one to offer my DNA to the data base.

    • 4 cris
      January 15, 2010 at 17:24

      i think you are wrong because lets say a crime happened close to where you live and you walk by and leave a hair or some other thing lets say you spit and the cops find the hair or spit they are going to blame you right so thats why i think its wrong

  4. February 25, 2008 at 15:58

    Hiam,

    Your thought process is a common but dangerous train. Let me give a real life example of why. Back when they started the BMV (Bureau of Motor Vehicles) your driving record was kept separate and private. The insurance companies petitioned and won the right to have the records made public. Now I have had only 3 accidents in 20 years. All of them occurred at less the 5MPH. But because I ride the 4 point to 6 point range for speeding, have my car registered in a town where vehicle crime is high, and left a car sit too long in my driveway with out tags, I pay a premium price for insurance. None of these have anything to do with how much it cost the insurance company to hold my policy. To boot, now a days it is completely legal for the BMV to sell your information to advertising agencies!! As if we don’t get enough junk mail and tele-solicitors as it is.

    So now apply this proven path to something like a DNA database. As soon as the government has information, it becomes susceptible to the “freedom of information act”. (Isn’t it ironic how that doesn’t cover participants of meetings of elected officials who are discussing our energy bill, but my address and car model is wide open?) SO imagine the government gets this information. The Insurance companies spend billions to win a court case that finds it is public record. Think of all the stuff they can tell by looking at our DNA these days. Now all the sudden you are paying a ridiculous price for health insurance because your DNA shows you are at a greater risk for alcoholism, cancer, ulcers, and hemorrhoids.

    All in all, the idea violates the basic concept of our judicial philosophy of “innocent until proven guilty.” As corrupt as the past 8 yrs have been, I have no faith that some official wouldn’t use the information for some ill use.

    Remember the words of Justice William O. Douglas quotes:

    As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air – however slight – lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.

  5. 6 Will Rhodes
    February 25, 2008 at 16:53

    Hopefully the ECHR will make it illegal to keep it any longer than the sentence itself.

    Stupid, stupid idea!

  6. 7 Brett
    February 25, 2008 at 17:40

    I’m goin’ with John and Steve on this one. What a horrible idea, one that will undoubtedly be manipulated.

    Brett ~ Richmond, Va.

  7. 8 Chernor Jalloh
    February 25, 2008 at 17:43

    As crimes are now happening everyday in the developed world,this idea of DNA database should be applied whether on every citizen or an alien.It could help more to track down dangerous criminals rather than hanging CCTV cameras at the back of people´s houses that can also cost alot of money to the taxpayer.The tapping of people’s telephone lines that also could hider their privacy.The process of stop and search of eveybody who is a suspected criminal in the streets is quite irritating.

    For me,if the Spanish government makes it compulsory,I will be the next person to have a DNA database and will be inplace to encourage many other people of my age groups to do the same.

  8. 9 George USA
    February 25, 2008 at 18:31

    If you like DNA sampling for all,

    you will love subcutaneous computer chips for tracking,

    and a national ID for questioning all citizens.

  9. 10 Rashid Patch
    February 25, 2008 at 18:58

    Like fingerprints, DNA evidence is “scientific” and therefore presumed to be infallible. However, DNA evidence is based upon extremely small samples – and the smaller the sample, the greater the effects of any minute trace contamination.

    There have been many criminal cases in the U.S. based upon DNA which have been overturned because of faulty labwork and lax evidence-keeping procedures. Some attorneys have specialized in these cases, and since the 1990s, there have been regular courses offered for defense attorneys in how to refute DNA evidence on this basis.

    Using DNA to prove guilt “beyond any reasonable doubt” requires vastly better lab and evidence-keeping standards than actually exist in most jurisdictions. It is not clear how establishing national databases will improve this problem. They will, however, cost a lot to set up and maintain. This will greatly increase the budgets of police agencies – therefore most police forces will argue strongly for them.

    Rashid Patch
    Oakland, California, U.S.A.

  10. 11 Robert Pringle
    February 25, 2008 at 20:06

    On a DNA database I would have to stand with Dwight from Cleveland. This is just another stepping stone, on the path to total tyranny. There is so much crap becoming mandatory that one can only wonder, how much longer it will be legal to breathe. So many people are getting so dumbed down and simpleminded, that they cannot consider two things at the same time. Like the subject at hand and the songs of the do-gooders who say we must reduce the worl population to between 500 million and 1 billion. These are not the remarks of crackpots we can afford to ignore. They are the plans of the power elete, who pull the strings, behind the governments, that proclaim to be, “Servents of the people”.
    If these powerlords, were not so blind with power and really wanted to help the people, they would seek after rightiousness (Do the right thing) and find ways to inspire people in positive directions and above all, leave our liberty alone. When we had our greatest liberty, crimes were at their lowest. For a direction we could seek, there is more to be discovered, than our minds can comprehend, but we are rapidly approaching a level of understanding, where these things can be opened up to us.
    This is not alot of scifi jibberish, but brick and mortar facts. The evidence is in and the discovery will come, in the twinkling of an eye. Those who think they have a grip on our liberty, had better get a grip on life, because we are about to experience liberty, like the Earth has not witnessed, in recorded history.
    The quest for this discovery, is getting under way and the findings may be too profound for words, but all of the evidence implies that it is intended for all, not a selected elete class. Anyone wanting to support this quest can send a postal response to Life Light Ministries, P. O. Box 2831, White City, OR 97503. There is so much contention and conflict in religion and beliefs, that people have a hard time, coming together, to compare notes and see what tangible discoveries, might have been overlooked. I have tried to do this, on a very limited scale, do to lack of funding and even with my limited resourses, I have gathered enough evidence, to convince many, that there is definately something profound, waiting to be discovered. Considering the current direction of our world, can we afford to not give this potention discovery, a fair hearing? That would be to actually test the discovery, so we would not have to rely on any potentially slanted evaluations, but have firsthand knowledge. Don’t wait for the darkness. Get onboard today.

  11. 12 Uzondu Esionye
    February 26, 2008 at 09:38

    If the DNA will serve only in criminal cases fine for me.now, what happens if this data falls into the hands of criminals themeselves? we heard what happened to people’s personal infomartion that got missing in the UK lately.

  12. 13 Ali
    February 26, 2008 at 14:35

    There was a study a few years back conserning fingerprinting. A rumor was spread that an expert had made a mistake during a trial. Other experts were then given samples to evaluate it was hinted that thease might in fact be the ones in question. One, and only one, (out of 10 or 12 i think) said he was unsure. The rest claimed that there was no match. In actual fact they had all been given prints which they had previously stated in court to be indntical. Forensic evidence is a powerfull tool in the fight aginst crime, but it should always be suported. DNA tests are a wonderful way to prove inocence, not so good at proving guilt. The science just dose not hold up (yet).

    Is there anyone who really trusts this or any government with so much infomation?

    If a national data base was set up, who would pay for it? I do not belive for one second that any government would not use this information for profit. Some uses we might not argue with, such as finding doners or prioritising medical research. Where would it end? If you are suseptable to cancer, perhaps no one would ever even read your CV because a computer flashes you up as a health risk. Drug companies will gain much more than law enforcment.

    ‘If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear’ has to be one of the most stupid arguments ever. I am doing nothing wrong, but i am fearfull of the future.

  13. 14 Virginia Davis
    February 26, 2008 at 18:00

    This is just “too Orwellian.” On any given day, someone living in urban England will be photographed as many as 300 times. State control – also known as fascism.
    Resist! Resist! Resist! Here in Oregon, a young man was stopped by a cop, and tested for alcohol and proved sober, not once but twice. But it went on his record – and will always be on his record because “it’s the law” and he was fired from his job for not telling his management. Virginia in Portland, OR

  14. 15 Jimmy
    February 27, 2008 at 13:22

    Everyone to be put on a dna data base will not happen. It is not politically possible.
    I think a much better idea which I have not heard mentioned is to have everyone who has committed a crime, pre the data base, to be included on the data base.
    That will include most of the serious potential new criminals as well as solve recent crimes.

  15. 16 Not Given
    February 27, 2008 at 15:30

    My wife and I were attacked in out own home by a person who burst in after ringing the doorbell late at night.

    Both my wife and I were hurt, and the person was eventually jailed for 9 months. When the police arrived

    I was arrested along with our attacker and was removed to a police station cell overnight,

    Away from my injured wife, while the police ‘sorted out what happened

    I was made to give a DNA sample. I have NEVER broken the law, I have never even committed a traffic offence

    I have for 35 years had a clean driving licence and I have never even had a parking ticket. And yet I find myself through

    no fault of my own on a Police National DNA bank along with criminals. I hope these two guys win so people like

    me can also get our samples removed too.

  16. 17 jacque
    March 3, 2008 at 04:20

    thier are a lot of pros and cons to it all but i think it would be best if all citizens just had the option whether they wanted to have their DNA profile stored in a Voluntary National DNA Database. so if you dont want to- for whatever reason you have- you dont have to.

  17. 18 Candice Roth
    March 6, 2008 at 16:40

    Voluntary National DNA Database!!!! A bit extreme really I mean People shouldn’t be forced to give someone their DNA if they don’t want to, and if they do then that’s their busniess it really shouldn’t be something that everyone has to or be forced to do so NOOOOOOO!!! VOLUNTARY NATIONAL DNA DATEBASE. Yeah it may stop crimes but it could start just as many or pin crimes on alot of innocent people.

    For intstance your 35 years old, you have never commited any crimes, but your a advocate aganist lets say Child Abuse, you expose and accuse a great political of child abuse on live T.V, (Keep in mind you have the evidnece to support your claim) and it causes a scandal, the political is furoius with you and decides to get a revenge that will not only take the heat off himself, but make you out to be the bad guy destroying your career, and ending you up in jail. Because of a National DNA database all they have to do is find a crime fitting for imprisonment, and ruin then place your DNA, all of a sudden your no longer and advocate for Child Abuse but a murder or rapist or both of a child near your area.

    It may or may not be what ends up happening but it is possible, and if people don’t want to have their DNA on a National database for fear of something like that happening or just because they don’t want to they shouldn’t have to, and if people do want theirs on a National database they should be able to.

    It’s really that simple!

  18. 19 Dennis Young, Jr.
    May 9, 2008 at 03:24

    NO!

    I think that only criminals, who have been convicted
    in a Court of LAW should be required to submit a
    D.N.A. sample to a database.

    Dennis~Madrid, United States of America

  19. 20 samatha
    May 16, 2008 at 14:14

    cloning is bad because you don’t want other people to have your DNA and no what type of problems you have going on with your body people can easily get your DNA by telling you something that really isn’t needed!!~&*

  20. June 17, 2008 at 15:07

    Government’s plan to make privacy obsolete
    http://www.unpan.org/Library/MajorPublications/UNEGovernmentSurvey/tabid/646/Default.aspx

    http://forums.journallive.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=9030&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

    Considering that the world human population is expected to rise to over 10 Billion by the end of the 21st century ( a massive burden or resources), it’s easy to see why the New World Order want DNA databases in every country. If it were possible to find genes, polypetides or whatever that occured in 60 percent of the world human population but not the remaining 40 percent, then a virus could be engineered to infect (perhaps fatally) 60 percent of the world population.

    http://www.statewatch.org is a good website here in the UK.

  21. 22 peter mose
    July 31, 2008 at 11:04

    THE DNA DATA BASE = DIE THE LIE
    as the data base case goes you dont have any choice we have the nhs and this is run by the gov,some time ago i had some trouble with my hearingthe short one is
    they sent me to a private hospital to have something done the result was they used a
    hi speed vacume,ater he finished i noticed that he had put the residue into some tube containers in a plastic wallet, i asked him what he was doing ,he said i just need to run some tests,[ they never came back with any results ]
    and a year later i had trouble again,but when they went to check my records there was nothing to say i had anything done, and when i told them i had a hi speed vacume job they said that is not done any more ,and it was not done to you,

    when you consider that the nhs was responseable for the the sale of human organs ,and some babys that died were no more than a shell ,you got to wonder why
    all of your medical history is now on government computers so why not your dna?

    the gov has lost laptops/dvd,s /computer files/and special file storage sys discs,
    in volving just about every aspect of your life ,

    they can watch you from a saterlite /you are watched when you are driveing /walking /talking you name it they got the technology to do it ,the only thing they cant do is to hang on to it,

    so dont worry about it , you are bought and sold every day ,you cant do any thing about it and the gov gurantee,s about your information are worthless,

    want a secure radio system ,they do its called tetra
    ever wondered why you have all them components in your phone when after all it uses 2/3 wires anyway !

    on the average digital radio can you tune in to the eastern block or other parts of the world ?

    the list goes on and on ,
    personally i have a lot of the older sys /as well as the new,

    peter mose
    almost fully trackable

  22. 23 Dr.A.K.Tewari
    October 3, 2008 at 04:26

    I think there is no harm in registering one self in natinal DNA Data bank. we should reap the advantages of such technological advancement for proper management of all possible sectors of our life at the same time to curb the menace of terrorism and drug traffiking and other anti soclal acts.


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