29
Jan
08

Kenyan violence

Violence has again erupted on the streets of the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, and in the Rift Valley following the murder of an opposition politician. Mugabe Were, a member of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) of the defeated candidate, Raila Odinga, was attacked outside his home, police said.

This is what Omar in Naivasha told the BBC 2 hours ago.
“Naivasha is in a state of chaos. Bullets are raining down on people from planes. People are panicking and not sure what to do. They are trying to take refuge at the police station, kikuyu people are trying to break into the same police station. There is chaos all around and people unsure of where to go to protect themselves”.

I’ve just spoken to Omar who tells me he is afraid that Kenya could be worse than Rwanda.   He wants to tell you all about the situation on today’s programme.

Richard Dowden, Director of the Royal African Society, writing in the Independent this morning, says the violence is horrific but Kenya will not become a new Rwanda.

“Think Bosnia or Serbia, not Rwanda. This is going to be horrific and puts Kenya and the entire East African region at risk of economic collapse. But it is not genocide” he says.

We’ve just spoken to Richard Dowden and he’s agreed to come onto today’s programme to discuss the situation in Kenya with you all.

We’ll also hear from Kenyans across the country about their day and ask:

Is there any way to end this violence in Kenya?


13 Responses to “Kenyan violence”


  1. 1 steve
    January 29, 2008 at 12:58

    Funny stuff, feminist groups are throwing a hissy fit over Ted Kennedy endorsing Obama. Gender ueber alles?

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

  2. 2 John D. Anthony
    January 29, 2008 at 14:50

    How comforting ~ Kenya will ONLY become another Bosnia or Serbia.

  3. 3 Elton in Liberia
    January 29, 2008 at 15:08

    What’s going on with Kenyans? No one seems to care that Kenya is burning.

    Kibaki needs to step down. Its apparent that he stole an election. In the least, the election did not get a clean-bill-of-health. So he should still step down.

    On the other hand, why isn’t Odinga demanding restraint? His party (ODM) has majority of the seats in parliament . Only HIS seat is in contention. Should Kenya be burnt for his presidency alone? Where are the patriots?

    Kenyans, remember Kenya. Put your egos aside. Tribalism fuel our brutal civil crisis that lasted 17 years, when we saw absolute madness. Rebuilding is much much slower then destroying. Remember Kenya.

  4. 4 George Wills Bangirana
    January 29, 2008 at 15:48

    This is terribly sad and I hope and continue to pray that it all ends so soon.
    Its effects are felt far wider than the confines of the Kenyan Borders.
    Given that either side is non relenting and instead they are digging in their respective positions, and given that the one side that is definitely in the wrong – For they surely cheated-, is bent on sticking on irrespective of how many people die or whatever the impact it has on their people and neighbours, and the opposition not willing to sit out another five years,
    the best option is now a rerun under the management of something like the AU,EU, or even UN. Afterall, what is more expensive?

  5. January 29, 2008 at 15:52

    There was once a time I would have said, “The UN could send in troops and protect the innocent and bring about peace. If the UN won’t do it then maybe NATO will, in if NATO won’t do it, then the US will go it alone because it is ‘right’ and ‘just’.” However the US has lost it’s credibility with both the international and the national audience. It’s resources have been stretched too thin chasing it’s own selfish wealthy serving interest. The pool of naive young poor boys willing to not question the intentions of their leaders when throwing their lives on the line has thinned to the point that we have started recruiting high school drop outs and criminals.

    I know the question was not asked “what should America do for Kenya?” but for all of my years we were the dominate, wealthy and self righteous, free, and good hearted country that would come to the rescue of those in need. Even when we didn’t actually go there was a legitimate movement to pressure our leaders to stop Rwanda, Darfur, Bosnia, and the likewise. Now I feel that we have spent our last dollar, made our last loan, saved our last child from some burning fire. Yet, more is still expected of us. Now all we can do is bow our heads and apologize when people who actually need help cry out.

    So now my best suggestion as to how to stop a genocide in Kenya is to say. “stop killing each other.” it is really the best way to stop a genocide as far as I can tell. The only other thing I can do is say “sorry, you are the most recent casualties of 8 years of our really illogical foreign polices.”

  6. 6 Harry
    January 29, 2008 at 16:10

    The wise mother in King Solomon’s court offered her baby to her rival
    so it may not be divided up. Someone needs to take Kenya’s Leaders
    back to Bible school!

    What’s happening in Kenya sounds eerily like what we witnessed in Cote
    d’Ivoire – an election gone bad that threw up so many submerged
    hatreds. That has taken close to 10 years to resolve. I this what
    Kenya wants to inherit?

    Kenya’s leaders need to look at that disaster and advice themselves.
    The AU (for the sake of progress in Africa) should disown the election
    and insist on new elections supervised by it and the UN if it is to be
    a force for good and not a cuckold.

    Kibaki and Odinga have shown that they cannot be trusted to work
    together for the benefit of Kenya. No one should take sides in this.
    Too many have died for us to conclude anything other than that the
    Leadership has failed.

    Someone needs to take Kenya’s Leaders back to Bible school!


    Kind Regards,

  7. 7 George USA
    January 29, 2008 at 16:22

    The crook who stole the election to keep power should be run out of the country on a rail.

    Tar and feather that stinker.

    Kick him out of office and hold a new election.

    His dictatorship is not worth genocide.

    Is this too simple a solution? Too politically incorrect?

    Have we lost our minds with rules and spin that skip the obvious?

    Removal of the fake “President” in Kenya to stop the escalation of killing.

    Why call this something other than what it is?

  8. 8 Chernor Jalloh
    January 29, 2008 at 16:32

    Yes,well educated people,thinkers writers as well as political commetators have all argued that Kenya is not slipping into Genocide-like Rwanda in 1994 where thousands of ethnic Tutis alongside moderate Hutus were massacred by the interhamwe malitia and Darfur where the Janjaweed arabs malitia are beheading Darfurians day by day.But from the dim prospect that is going on since Mwai Kibaki stole the results that has made other ethnic groups to take the law to their hands by hacking off the heads of their brothers and sisters and the setting ablaze of a church while innocent civilians icluding a three year old child have sought refuge seems to me devastating.Kenya as it always been one of the most beatiful African countries in East Africa.So,is that not a Genocide?Who am I not to colclude the satan that is urging people to kill each other for no good reason to say,it is not a genocide?
    We are fond of accusing colonisation when it comes to problems facing the African continent.And yet we fail to overcome ethnic divisions,corruption(bad governace),diseases and many other things to make our lives better.The Kenyan army and the police are fanning the flames in Kenya by opening fire to people who might be harmless to the community.
    Mwai Kibaki,as I used to say previously in my blog,must leave the country immediately to avoid problems arising in his country.But, Kibaki,like any other dictator in Africa will never accept such offer,despite of the ethnic tensions which are claiming many lives and the shrinking of the staggering economy.That economy was obtained trough aid funds to help those children that were orphaned by Hiv/Aids and TB(tuberculosis).
    Kofi Annan has done his best to bring both parties together and what about calling the people that are causing havock to calm down until other altanative is found?My dear Kenyan people think twice for the troubles that you are making will never lead you anywhere.

  9. 9 Chernor Jalloh
    January 29, 2008 at 16:49

    Hello Dwight,
    I absolutely agree with you on your comments and may God bless you.As an African I feel very much asamed of myself being anAfrican in the first place.The killings that are taking place in Kenya today reminds of the wars in Liberia,S/leone, Rwanda, Burundi, Rwanda Dr congo Mozambique,Angola,Darfur,Somalia and the sarvation in Zimbabwe to name but a few.We cannot blame anyone for those stupid things,but to put all the blames on our(Africans)door steps.This is like a curse and it is like we have done something wrong and that is why we are being punished for it
    Once again thank you,Dwight and hoping to read more of your colourful comments and good bye.

  10. 10 Rashid Patch
    January 29, 2008 at 16:50

    Richard Dowden tells the Independent, “Think Bosnia or Serbia, not Rwanda. …. But it is not genocide”

    Well, Bosnia was genocide. I’ve talked to women who were in the rape camps.

    If people respected enough to be considered experts on Africa can’t tell genocide when they see it, and the press won’t call them on that – then we’re on the way to being in the same situation.

    I am old enough to remember the Klu Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party in the U.S. Right-wing U.S. radio personality Michael Savage currently has openly called for the murder of 100,000 Muslims, and for the forcible expulsion of all immigrants. The UK has it’s own share of violent racist and sectarian movements.

    Our societies won’t survive “experts” who can’t see genocide when it happens, and media that won’t question such opinions.

    May God help us all.

    Rashid Patch
    Oakland, California

  11. 11 Chernor Jalloh
    January 29, 2008 at 16:58

    Hellow George USA,
    You have hit the nail on the head.All of our African dictators must go food nothing more,becayse they are anobstacle to the African MILLENIUM GOLD.President Mugabe is another monster that is waiting like a witch to be elected in office.
    I know the people of Zimbabwe will never copy from the crisis in Kenya.
    Thank you George and more of your positive points are desperately awaited by me.

  12. 12 Alma Cristina
    January 30, 2008 at 01:11

    Excuse me, Mr. Dowden, would you mind defining ‘genocide’? Is it a matter of motive and source or people and numbers?
    If you ask me, Rwanda yesterday is Kenya today and Anyplace tomorrow! What indeed are these conflicts, bloodshed and violence about? If you scrape the surface and look a bit deeper, things get might scary ’cause the real motive and CAUSE is or will soon be global and universal: POPULATION! Too many of us wanting and needing land rights, water rights, food, space, survival. THERE ARE TOO MANY OF US ON PLANET EARTH, or hasn’t anyone noticed? and necessities are running scarce! What happens when ANY population overbreeds its environment carrying capacity? The event is ancient history but we still have to heed its lesson or read the signals of impending disaster. Unless we address and curb human birthrates and manage human population, today’s headline IS tomorrow’s status quo. Under whatever label, the killings will worsen and grow…

  13. 13 JOSEPH MUREITHI WAMUCII
    January 30, 2008 at 10:23

    This is for todays africa have your say programme.

    I would like to despute the fact that Kenya was a peaceful nation as has been said by many, we have been calm and hopeful, using justice to fight our enemies e.e corruption, nepotism and inequalities in national resource sharing. All these vices have been propagated by our past leaders. When Kenyatta was the president it was pretty obvious that central region and its inhabitants got the alion’s share, when Moi came in he did the same to his Rift valley people, i remember my fellow students then getting all they wanted -money, jobs just by visiting state house.

    We voted out Moi hoping to get a change, unfortunately Kibaki did the same. Unlackly the electorate got wind of Kibaki’s vices thanks to the electronic advancement.
    Kenyans were sure they had the weapon to fight the vices- vote.

    The pattern of voting told it all, we were not tired of Kibaki’s men but had lost the trust we had in Him. We voted for new leadership, not even his VP survived.

    The current outrage emanates from the abuse of the only weapon we had left- vote. had Kivuiti did a transparent job, our patient would not have been stretched to the limit.

    Kenyans have lost trust in all institutions, including the church which kept quite when Kenyan’s were being robbed of their democratic right-vote. The leaders are selfish, even those who campaigned on virtuoes platform like Kalonzo have just proved they were there with their stomachs and not kenyans.

    The problem is inequality in kenya.

    Joseph 0721448462


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