27
Nov
08

Talking Points 27th November

Gunmen have carried out co-ordinated attacks on high-profile locations, including two luxury hotels, across the Indian city of Mumbai, killing over 100 people. Events are still unfolding – you can read live updates on the situation here. But there are reports that foreigners, particularly British and American passport holders, were being singled out by the gunmen. Can terrorism stop tourism and bring a country to its knees? The Indian financial markets were shut after yesterday’s attacks. Are there places you now wouldn’t go on holiday?


20 Responses to “Talking Points 27th November”


  1. 1 Robert Evans
    November 27, 2008 at 13:45

    Personally it would not bother me if I could afford it then I would go for the holiday

  2. 2 John in Salem
    November 27, 2008 at 16:01

    There are nut cases and cowards with guns no matter where you go. I’ve been wanting to make an extended visit to India for years and would go tomorrow if I had the means.

  3. 3 Roberto
    November 27, 2008 at 16:35

    RE “” But there are reports that foreigners, particularly British and American passport holders, were being singled out by the gunmen “”
    ———————————————————————————–

    ———- It should also be noted that it is the well to do who can afford by wealth or business circumstance to frequent such pricey digs who are the primary targets.

    Of course everyone suffers the trickle down effects of business being terminated not to mention the non target innocent bystanders. Since the perpetuaters seem to be Pakistani, it also puts the two nuclear armed antagonists closer to a nuclear exchange.

    It’s win/win for the islamic jihadists whose future doesn’t include this world and warms the cockles of BinnyBoy. Of interest is the relative ease and primitive manner it was carried out. Any group having any ax to grind could do the same as long as they are willing to die. Since the world grows ever more desperate with folks being left in ruin, there is no shortage of raw material if non islamists wish to go that route..

  4. November 27, 2008 at 17:17

    Bangkok, Mumbai, Only the Beginning!
    Poverty, abandon, deprivation, inequality, gross abuses by law enforcement forces are in part to blame for events in Mumbai. The global recession, lack of hard currency and foreign investment, closure of factories and plants also helped to trigger clashes.
    One article recently reported that rich Indians in the States were paying $30,000 to hire elephants for their weddings. Word gets round of how the other half lives.
    India has some 5million super rich and another 25 million millionaires, I think. At the other end, hundreds of millions of Indians live like animals. We call it the greatest or largest Democracy in the world, but is it?

  5. 5 bjay
    November 27, 2008 at 17:25

    YE !
    To incite the ignoramus mined by religious ‘dogma’ is crime against humanity.

    Targeting people who is susceptible to influence.

    Go after those people of white color crime whos behind to all these.

    YE ! (high power ‘state’ financier/brokers?)

    bjay

  6. November 27, 2008 at 19:10

    Its madness that only done by psychopath. Don’t ask why . Its just the people. Their mind belong to the middle age. I hope my country men and women in the trident oberoi can be rescue.

  7. 7 leti in palma
    November 27, 2008 at 19:52

    While its tragic that this kind of attack has happened it won’t stop me from returning to

    beautiful india, and lets face it, if you were scared that this kind of thing could

    happen you wouldn’t go anywhere would you?

    AND the oberoi and the Taj are THE posh hotels…so if you’re a regular person , you

    most probably WON “T be staying there! so just relax…

    Tsunamis,earthquakes, major fires, airplane crashes and now terrorism…these are

    just the lot of the intrepid traveller..

    .(and I have to say that I’m a bit disappointed that the beeb is going so over the top

    with its “reporting.What, has WHYS become a tabloid gossip sheet all of a sudden?)

  8. November 27, 2008 at 21:06

    Obama should use this occasion to do several things.

    1. Announce that a coordinated attack of armed terrorists inside the United States is our future. There are so many places where innocent American civilians gather and are vulnerable to a gang of nut cases with full automantic small arms and grenades. They could easily kill hundreds to thousands by first taking out all obvious uniformed police and armed security guards. Then slaughter the sheep at sporting events or shopping malls.

    a. Obama needs to announce that a universal concealed carry permit system is
    now our first line defense against armed terrorists. All states issue CCP, to all Americans who can pass a simple safety test and hit a 6″ target consistently at 50 feet. Terrorists would feel a bit differently if each and every American sheep like herd animal had a concealed weapon capable of shooting back.

    b. Announce an immediate draft of all state and federal prisons. Also announce that all illegal immigrents will replace our prison force and put through a fast track training program to be an attack force, and cordon force. Throw them all through jump school then parachute them all in around selected hot spots of terrorist concentrations up in the rocks and around boarder towns and draw the bad guys out to be slaughtered as they so well deserve. We need to super-saturate the enemy with some 2 million people who owe a debt to our society.

    The need to eliminate the enemies of ALLAH and get Muslim everywhere to realize that these Jehadists are disgraceful representative of their kind, and ALLAH must hate them or why would he allow the Americans to kill so many of them.

    troop 503-368-7099 or troop.dragonslayers@yahoo.com

  9. 9 Ramesh
    November 28, 2008 at 08:00

    Akbar Javadi, You sound worse than a communist and much worse than a religious fundamentalist. What’s wrong if indians in US spend $30,000 to rent an elephant? Do you want them to donate all their money or hide their wealth under bunkers? No doubt there are many problem in india and many don’t give any weight when India is called the largest or greatest democracy, including me. But the reason you cited for current violence is appalling and very much misleading. Whats happening in bangkok is different from whats happening in Mumbai. It is simply a terrorist attack and you just pretend you didn’t know that. You just can not propagate misleading information on forums like WHYS.

  10. 10 James
    November 28, 2008 at 08:51

    I know it sounds horrible but I don’t really feel too bad for any American (Other then the military people) who get themselves victimized while visiting these parts of the world. As an American you would have to be an idiot to go anywhere in the Asian or African continents, those people hate us! Why would you go there and give them and easy target?
    No, I’m sorry but they knew the risk they were taking when they went there, they knew something bad could happen, it did and now they have no one to blame but themselves.

  11. 11 sentamu obeid
    November 28, 2008 at 12:56

    Troop, its people your type that continue to fan the flames of discord. Now whatever it is you mean when you go on about militarizing the United States is complete and utter hogwash. That illegal immigrants should be conscripted shows your deficiency in understanding that what you are indeed advocating for is a full on violence, something that has paid negatively to the image of your country. It is this sort of commentary and wanton character that makes you no different from the terrorist.

  12. November 28, 2008 at 15:11

    Hi Ramesh
    Reyr Nov 28, 2008 at 8:00 am post
    Should the Indian government resign? One of the first casualties of the clashes was the head of the anti-terrorist squad. Discontent has been simmering for decades in India. It needs a facelift. We have worked with Indians for the last thirty years. An ungrateful lot.
    “We are the greatest, most advanced, internet wizards and Bollywood” slogans must stop. Rabinder Henry says India must deal with “caste, religion, regionalism and economic inequality.” Quite right.
    On the nuclear issue, the French, English and Americans have been sending the wrong message to India.
    Shouldn’t India make way for new blood? Currying favour is all right for a time but it becomes tedious after a while.
    A ceasefire between insurgents and police would be the best solution in these circumstances.
    Incidentally, “rapid deployment force” you could call it. They would have saved the world a lot of money in Iraq, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Congo and Iran.

  13. 13 Harald
    November 28, 2008 at 16:02

    Political violence kills thousands every year in India. The death toll in one single attack is frequently very high.

    This time the target was not your run-of-.the-mill market crowd or commuter populace, nor any of the child labourers sweating in the shops of the world’s largest democracy.

    This just was “not cricket”.

    Underlying the colossal play given the Mumbai killings this time is the preferential touch international media have in dealing with stock exchange, investorship, Bollywood and five-star hotels.

    Even a cricket tournament is reported to have been affected.

  14. 14 Ramesh
    November 28, 2008 at 16:12

    Akbar Javadi
    Its funny, without answering to my queries, you keep on making comments on various issues. The readers of this forum definitely understand your mental state which is evdent from your misleading nick name also. I dare you to disclose your original identity and I would like to prove your are misleading the readers from the point of your nick name itself.

  15. November 28, 2008 at 17:44

    @Sentamu,

    Sorry Sentamu, what is now going on is looking like it will go for another 100 to a hundred and fifty years. It must be confronted now with the Muslim people growing so tired of watching Jihadists going after innocent people producing pointless deaths, of mostly good Muslim people….. that the good people of Islam will tire of being assigned to watch the idiotic struggles, and tell their kids to stop going out to die and just go find a good girlfriend or something and carve out a meaningful life working a job, raising a family, and serving Allah in a good way that does not bring shame on all of the Islam people!!!!!!!

    Better we attempt a huge ramification and attack rather than watch the nut cases continue to peater on and make the entire world a disaster area.

    Remember, America did do virtually nothing for some 30 years of being attacked over seas. It is only obvious to stand there and do nothing except watch wackos gather more and more hate for doing nothing and falling victom to useless hate arguements that perhaps the vile effort at fighting these idiots is at least better than standing here doing nothing.

    Rewarding attacks by being good and gutless is hardly going to end the movements and growing bolder of the enemy.

    Sorry, being nice people and not becoming defensive is exactly what encourages the worst of all movements who attack and kill innoncent people.

    What exactly do you advocate that the worthless, bearded ones who continue to attack young girls by throwing acid in their faces are noble and good? We need to really start getting a bit more serious about fighting these things.

    troop on the Oregon coast

  16. November 28, 2008 at 19:01

    Hi Ramesh
    I am sorry to have over-stated the case.
    The issues are political. Perhaps we should wait for the final outcome.
    I have friends in India and Pakistan and Britain.
    We grieve with the families of the deceased.
    God Bless.

  17. 17 friend
    November 28, 2008 at 20:05

    It is a dire moment for all of india, and one should not be wasting time in critizing others. All must stand together against this inhuman activity. Proper investigation should be undertaken and black sheep should be disclosed in public, I strongly beleive there were many inside information leakage from security

  18. 18 Ramesh
    November 28, 2008 at 20:38

    Hi Akbar Javadi

    I am glad you realised it’s not the right time to talk about anything other than the masacre. May be some other time we could discuss those things. But I wish such discussions to be eye openers rather than being in abusive nature targetting the second biggest society on earth. I am very eager to hear that all those terrorists are killed or caught because if anyone of them escapes, there is a great possibility of him committing similar terror activities again sooner or later. That is my biggest worry right now.

    Regards

  19. 20 John in Germany
    December 3, 2008 at 15:37

    Listening to the Two African guests early this morning, i was pulled along by thier sureness that Africa can do everything alone.

    What blue eyed innocence from otherwise likeable people.

    Africa could go it alone if it wasn’t for the corrupt, greedy, incapable politicians, that cannot begin to use the abundant wealth in minerals, the first class Agricultural land, and the willing people, in a way to benefit all Africans.

    There are so many dark channels, where in some cases the whole social product disappears never to be seen again.

    John in Germany


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