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Talking Points 6th November

There is one story that the world is still talking about – the next US President Barack Obama and what he will do in power. The world has huge expectations of President Obama but are global expectations too high?

The dust is settling after Tuesday’s historic election and President-elect Obama has just 11 weeks before he takes power and inherits an ailing economy, two wars and huge expectations. He is already appointing key figures in his new administration but what do you think is the most pressing issue he should tackle first?

Kenya, the birthplace of Obama’s father, has declared today a national holiday and there have been scenes of jubilation all over Kenya. Thousands of WHYS listeners and bloggers in Africa have been in touch with World Have Your Say throughout Obama’s election campaign, the vast majority proud of Obama’s african roots, with big expectations of what Obama will do for Africa if he gets in power.
Mariam in Sierra Leone texted us saying:

Obama is the embodiment of hope and peace for Americans and the entire world.

And during the campaign Um Rahma in Uganda said:

If Obama is elected us president on Nov. 4th the whole world will be safe

This South African columnist says Africa is claiming Obama’s victory as their own and hope trade and infrastructure will now improve. But are expectations too high for Obama in Africa?

Many people are citing Obama’s international upbringing as a reason he is a “global president” – but this blogger is representative of many who think his priority will only be American interests. Can Obama be a global president?

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There is another question that keeps coming up in the blogosphere does the election of a black US president prove that there is now equality of opportunity? Is the fight for equality over?


39 Responses to “Talking Points 6th November”


  1. November 6, 2008 at 12:05

    Can Barack Obama make a difference for Africa? Surely the Africans must first realize their dream by getting rid of the political obstacles for which they are responsible, instead of continuing put the blame on the outside and on the colonial era. Looking to the USA as big brother through Obama is likely to leave them decades behind as the US at best can help them if they can help themselves.

    The Africans will be wrong if they depend solely on Obama. Africa needs to create its own role models for the present instead of continuing to idealize past ones like Mandela. Obama, before being black of African origins, is American. His environment is different. He has to keep the power of his country. He doesn’t have the same worries as Africans do in their countries where there are shameful corruption, mismanagement and limitless loss of opportunities. In other words, Obama fundamentally thinks American. Africans should think in an African way. It isn’t enough to celebrate his victory. They should find their own victories to celebrate.

  2. November 6, 2008 at 12:10

    Congritulations to Mr. Obama for his victory and the light heart of Sen. McCaine for his examplary to the world oppositions leader. I dont think Obama populariry arround the world will continue if he continue fights on WAR on TERROR and this is the only thinks in which president BUSH is said to be Unpopular arround the globe.

  3. November 6, 2008 at 12:25

    Congritulations to president Obama for his victory and the light heart of Sen. McCaine for his examplary to the world on how oppositions should reacts after their losts.So I dont think that Pres BARRACK OBAMA popularity will contue as such if he continue on TERROR WAR and that is why pres GOARGE.W.BUSH is seem to be unpopular arround the world.

  4. 4 VictorK
    November 6, 2008 at 12:52

    President Obama’s priorities should be introducing as much regulation as is needed – and no more – to restore the healthy working of a free-market economy, getting out of Iraq, and narrowing the American presence in Afghanistan to a find-and-kill mission against Bin Laden and his associates (no more rubbish about bringing democracy, prosperity and human rights to Afghans).

    The hysteria from Africans over Obama’s election and their inflated expectations are instructive. They demonstrate why Africa has no future, and why it doesn’t even have a present. Do they think that Obama is going to be President for life? Do they believe that the US will now only elect African-Americans to the Presidency? Do they appreciate that Obama is not an African despot who can loot the US treasury at will and shower largesse on members of his tribe of ‘fellow Africans’? No country in the history of the world has attained permanent wealth and security through parasitism: why should the countries of Africa now be the exception?

    ‘Can Obama be a global President’. What an amazing question. If anybody dared speak of a white Republican as a ‘global President’ such talk would be immediately recognised, and denounced, for its imperialist and colonialist assumptions. With a black leftist Democrat it becomes an aspiration. Go figure.

  5. 5 Peter, Portland, OR, USA
    November 6, 2008 at 13:05

    As an American citizen, registered as a Republican, and having voted for Republican candidates in every election since I was eligible to vote, I deviated and voted for Barack Obama.

    Now, as I listen to the excited voices around the world I hear mostly comments and discussions about America voting in an African-American, and that this is the big story. I am deeply troubled that this has been the focus. I didn’t vote for Mr. Obama because he was black, or not, or any other race for that matter. Nor did I vote for him because he was male rather than female. To vote for him due to his race or gender would have simply been dereliction of my duty as a citizen. I voted for him because I am convinced he is the best option for President given the current needs of that office, and our country, and the world. It’s his character, his integrity, and his stated plans for our future.

    With the serious dual crisis’ of global warming and insufficient energy to supply the planets’ needs, added to the financial meltdown (which likely started due to dwindling energy supplies and the resulting escalation of prices), and of course the anger and chest beating that seems to prevail all around the world, there is now too much at risk to continue the policies of the current party — regardless of how much Mr. McCain promised to “put us back on track”.

    I am disheartened that the Republican party has lost its focus, lost its supporters, and lost its reputation. The party previously stood for fiscal conservatism, small government, and protection of personal freedoms. However, the results have clearly demonstrated otherwise — fiscal and financial disaster, huge government, fear instead of hope, and focusing not on personal freedoms but more on the Religious Rights’ idea of how American’s should think and behave. That just isn’t the party I subscribed to.

    Last night following Mr. Obama’s acceptance speech there was a spontaneous flooding of people into the streets of downtown Portland, Oregon — people came from all over the city. There was jubilation and mayhem (without violence!), and even a spontaneous conga-line that would through the streets of downtown and ended in our city’s “living room”, Pioneer Courthouse Square. There, spontaneously, thousands of voices joined together and sang our national anthem…
    “…Gave proof thro’ the night that our flag was still there.
    O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”
    In all my life (50 years) I have never before witnessed such a demonstration of jubilation due to an election result in the USA.

    Something remarkable has happened.

  6. 6 Vijay
    November 6, 2008 at 13:22

    Russia has put its flag at the North Pole and staked claim to the whole territory .
    Svarlsbad(Norway) is also now under threat.
    Russia still occupies part of Finland(Karelia)
    Estonia,Latvia and Lithunia have been subject to cyber attacks and threats of further action.

    Poland and especially Ukraine are be blackmailed regarding Natural Gas supply.Ukaraine till now has not managed to reclaim its port at Sevastapol from the Russians

    Russia has attacked Georgia and looted its American Military hardware under the guise of helping the South Ossetians and Abhazia.

    Today as a welcome to Barack Obama they announced deployment of missiles in the Kalliningrad enclave(wasn’t it part of German Prussia?)and their intention to jam the anti missile system electronically.

    I hope Condoleeza Rice can be kept on in some capacity,she is an expert on the Soviet Union and Russia.

    Barack Obamas first and greatest task will be to deal with the new Cold War scenario that is emerging on his “first” day.

    .

  7. November 6, 2008 at 13:26

    Can Obama be a global president?
    He is the best candidate for a global president that I have ever seen… But his ultimate devotion is towards his country. We voted him in, he is our leader, his main concerns and his main focus is the country he leads.

    But are expectations too high for Obama in Africa?
    From what I heard yesterday, far too high. I think theres alot of misconceptions in the minds of Africans about how our government and political system works.

  8. 8 Dan
    November 6, 2008 at 13:34

    The expectations that Obama raised are irrational and unachievable. There are those that think Obama will usher in the millennium of Universal Galactic Peace & Prosperity, he will cure global warming, give the whole world health care, kiss all the Islamic terrorists and convince them to be nice, pay everyone’s utility bills, provide clean water for all, power the planet with pixie dust will be severely disappointed as even Obama has now publicly stated that he cannot achieve the goals he promised to achieve.
    The dreams of those civil rights pioneers who have plowed the path for Obama are now bearing substantial fruit and the promise of America being a land of equal opportunity rather than equal outcome has come true.
    There will always be those that deny those opportunities but we do not live in a Utopian society and absolute perfection cannot be achieved.
    Now, as President-Elect, Obama has to deal with the realities of the world something that, I am sad to say, seems to be beyond the understanding of some on this blog.

  9. 9 Roberto
    November 6, 2008 at 13:51

    RE global expectations of Obama:
    —————————————————————————————————-

    ——– Wish him the best for obvious reasons, but it’s gonna be the toughest 4 yrs of most peoples lives around the world.

    Environment starting a change cycle, global economic business model an abject failure, century old megalith businesses like Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, General Motors all going the way of the dinosaurs.

    Now that Obama cheerleading dying out and reality sobers the drunken revelers, interesting question strikes me.

    Will history show that the pollster/campaign strategist El Supremo, Karl Rove, will he be proven to have been the architect of the extinction of the Republican Party and the American way of life?

    Supreme irony indeed.

  10. 10 gary
    November 6, 2008 at 13:52

    As for domestic concerns, Mr. Obama will have a difficult time delivering on promises, especially those that require great sums of money. It just isn’t available. Performing better than current the current administration in terms of morality is trivial. He needs just adhere to US and international standards of law. Any programs requiring republican support; but not exclusively or predominantly benefitting republicans interests, will be delayed or stopped by the usual legislative ploy of malignant cooperation.
    The international community, I think, can indeed breath far more easily. Mr. Obama isn’t Mr. Bush, nor are they similar in any substantial ways. Folks around the globe have suffered through the current administration’s machinations with remarkably level heads, and I admire them for that.
    g

  11. November 6, 2008 at 14:15

    I have been debating online for several years and one of things I know that people from around the world have been wanting: the end to the Iraq war. Obama never supported the war, and neither have I along with many from around the world. I believe expectations of the war to coming to end are going to be very high. It made me remember another presidential candidate who ran on an anti-war platform, Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon did that in 1968. It was another five years before the US left Vietnam. It wasn’t that easy to disengage from that complicated war and I think this situation is complicated as well, meaning it’s not going to end the moment Obama is sworn into Office. Disengaging will take careful planning, preparations, and implementations. We need to remain realistic with our expectations from Barack Obama.

  12. November 6, 2008 at 14:30

    –Are global expectations too high?
    Expectations are high, but let’s remember President Obama has already done the impossible through out his campaign and in getting elected. Considering Bush dragged us through the mud and cause chaos all over the world for the last 8 years, Obama is a breath of fresh air that everyone desperately needed.

    –He is already appointing key figures in his new administration but what do you think is the most pressing issue he should tackle first?
    I expect him to tackle ailing economy and two wars first before he takes office. In January, after he is inaugurated he will already have everything in place to govern. He is giving a press conference today in which I bet he touches on the economy.

    –Is the fight for equality over?
    Nooooo! People would be naive to think the fight for equality is over. When we stop saying “the 1st” black, latino, asian, woman, Muslim, jewish president and so fourth we can revisit the question: if the fight for equality is over>

  13. November 6, 2008 at 14:31

    The ball has remains to OBAMA side now wether he will delivers the promises to his fans arround the world and should also makes sure that he should not upset his supporters and bring a bad name to Africa and black race and if he fails it will be like currents dictators we have here in Africa. VIVA OBAMA!!,VIVA Africa!!long live people of America!!! long live USA!!.

  14. 14 Dan
    November 6, 2008 at 15:17

    Jessica in NYC ~
    I have to disagree with you. Prior to being inaugurated Obama has no power and cannot do anything to solve our problems. All he can do is make plans which like any other President-Elect has done.

    The Government cannot give you equality. Equality is a personal fight and journey. We headed in that direction but somehow things went off course. Many argue that Government interference accomplished that.
    As far as “Firsts” go there will always be firsts as society keeps evolving in the United States and there are too many disparate groups that pop up.

    I am still waiting for that Pizza though :))

  15. 15 Usman Adamu Imam
    November 6, 2008 at 15:36

    I want my fellow Africans to know that Barack Obama is not the world President. He’s only the President of the United States. We only need to embrace and use the US democracy. That’s all.

    Usman Adamu Imam
    Jalingo
    Nigeria.

  16. 16 Dan
    November 6, 2008 at 15:46

    @Usman Adamu Imam
    Embrace and emulate the US ideal and you will do very well.

  17. 17 Steve
    November 6, 2008 at 15:54

    What I learned from this entire election is how irrational so many people are. It’s very scary. I learned from Bush that people will vote for any idiot if they like his slogans. Now I know that unrealistic expectations can drive you to vote for someone who cannot possibly deliver. No wonder there is such credit card debt and the mortgage crisis, because of the entitlement mentalities here.

  18. November 6, 2008 at 15:55

    Presidents Bush, Obama Can Do It In One Term!
    TEHRAN – Former British prime minister Tony Blair tried and failed in May 2007, EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana has tried, but so far no success. Who can resolve Iran’s nuclear issue? More of a liability for Iran itself, it is the main stumbling block to better relations with EU and US. President Elect Barack Obama has been talking of a second term, I though he meant a trimester: Four years is a long time to wait.
    Pioneering, courageous and enterprising, America has now and then recruited such men as Henry Kissinger, Zbignew Brezinsks and Zalmay Khalilzad, but what can’t Presidents Bush and Obama do in the next three months if they put their minds to it!

  19. 19 Steve
    November 6, 2008 at 15:57

    @ Dan

    It’s basic self esteem knowledge that everyone is equal. Only those with low self esteem feel the need to prove they are equal. I don’t need there to be a Jewish President to feel “equal”. I know I’m equal, just like everyone else.

  20. 20 John in Germany
    November 6, 2008 at 16:26

    When the Euphoria has gone, The celebrating is over, and the World gets back to its daily mundane tasks, then we will see. The Americans did not vote Black, they voted for a new America, for a new start, but most of all for themselves.
    The old problems wont go away with President Obama, but they will be looked at in a different light, with an easiness, and care that only that man can bring.

    Russia will still flex its Muscles, you only had to watch the body language of Ex President Putin, and others in the room as the President announced the action to be taken with the Rockets. Russia knows she is not in danger of attack, so why all the show? Maybe President Obama can influence this part of the World.

    He will certainly have a lot of pounce in the African States. Wow! Not one of the despots can risk trying to blame Mr Obama for the Chaos they have caused themselves. What will they do? The good Leaders will be able to approach easier than before, this could be a healing process for the whole African World.

    Iraq. No way can he just walk out, it will take years to go-away without leaving a deadly vacuum. He will go, but in the time scale suggested by his Generals.

    Just give the man time, it could take two terms, but he will succeed to make the world a better place.

    God bless America, Mr Obama, and us all.

    John in Germany

  21. 21 Dan
    November 6, 2008 at 16:53

    @Steve
    You are absolutely right!!! Now how do we get that message out to the rest on WHYS and have them understand and believe it?

  22. November 6, 2008 at 18:33

    @ Steve

    “Only those with low self esteem feel the need to prove they are equal… I know I’m equal, just like everyone else.”

    Spoken, like the white-male who has always had all the power. Hate to break it to you, but the world does not exist in the psychological mental basket as you see it only as you are…

    I guess politicians and the supreme court created laws that make discrimination illegal based on race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation, because gays, women, non-white minorities and god-believers all were supper from low-self esteem.

  23. November 6, 2008 at 18:36

    @ Dan

    “Prior to being inaugurated Obama has no power and cannot do anything to solve our problems.”

    Duh! Clearly, not being inaugurated doesn’t mean he is sitting on his hands. Putting a team together that starts to put a plan-of-action together is doing something. The question asked about equality implied by the fact that Obama is our first Black President. So I am not saying “firsts” will disappear from society. In context, when the color of our skin stops being a qualifier or disqualifier is when racial equality will be closer leveled.

    “Just exactly what is “Social Justice”? These are just words written on a Democrat bumper sticker. What is it?”
    Your pizza was given to the democrat who invented social justice yesterday. You might have to look at the UN’s Declaration of Human Rights.

  24. November 6, 2008 at 18:36

    @ Dan

    “Prior to being inaugurated Obama has no power and cannot do anything to solve our problems.”

    Duh! Clearly, not being inaugurated doesn’t mean he is sitting on his hands. Putting a team together that starts to put a plan-of-action together is doing something. The question asked about equality implied by the fact that Obama is our first Black President. So I am not saying “firsts” will disappear from society. In context, when the color of our skin stops being a qualifier or disqualifier is when racial equality will be closer leveled.

    “Just exactly what is “Social Justice”? These are just words written on a Democrat bumper sticker. What is it?”
    Your pizza was given to the democrat who invented social justice yesterday. You might have to look at the UN’s Declaration of Human Rights.

  25. 25 John LaGrua/New York
    November 6, 2008 at 18:45

    Initial eurphora will abate as reality sets in. Obama has a unique opportunity as he inherits a disaster .His mandate is clear ,out with all the Bush ,Chaney chicanery .Begin an honest and forthright conversation with the American people on the painful reality of the present domestic and international problems which will require public support and sacrifice to resolve..He must reach out to friends and adversaries alike to begin a fruitful dialogue on international problems .Setting priorities is critical ,the Economy ,Iraq -Mid-east debacle and the loss of US respect globally due the Bush policies.Financial restraints will require careful analysis of all programs ,including medicare and other domestic spending as well as eliminating much foreign aid which is wasted. or unnecessary.”Physician heal theyself” He must choose his avisors carefully and resist pressure groups who want to shape US policy to serve their speciai agenda to the detriment of the US at home and more paricularly abroad..He must call on the best aspects of the American people who will respond with courage and determination.It was easy to forget during these last 8 years that America is truelly the land of the free and the home of the brave.God speed ,Obama!

  26. 26 Jennifer
    November 6, 2008 at 18:54

    @ John in Germany

    “The Americans did not vote Black, they voted for a new America, for a new start, but most of all for themselves.”

    If that’s true, why is Mr. Obama not called our first bi-racial president? Everyone says he’s our first black president…..

    ___

    Re: Everyone being equal.

    People who have good self esteem do not have a victim mentality. They don’t make everything out to be a personal issue when something doesn’t go their way. Laws can be created but unless a person feels they are equal there is nothing that can be done to change their view. There are laws against domestic violence but they don’t matter if a woman chooses to remain in an abusive relationship. In terms of race, the same thing applies. If a person chooses to take it there it says that they make race an issue.

  27. 27 Steve
    November 6, 2008 at 18:58

    @ Jessica

    If you had self esteem, you would know you were equal without having to prove anything to anyone else, given you know you’re equal. It functions that way in every other aspect. Ever known someone who had to drive a luxury car so that people thought they had status? Ever known very wealthy people that drive junk cars because they were secure and had no need to prove anything to anyone else?

    Those who have to “prove” it lack self esteem. This is basic stuff that hopefully your parents taught you when you were a kid growing up, but knowing the parenting that goes on, now wonder why self esteem is so rock bottom in this society.

  28. 28 Irene Heitsch
    November 6, 2008 at 22:17

    I voted for Obama, I’m relieved that he won and am very grateful to all his volunteers and staff who helped get out the vote and made it happen, I am grateful to the slightly more than half the American population that voted for hope of a better future rather than out of fear of some boogie man who’s going to get us if we don’t destroy every Muslim country on earth first. I love watching people celebrate. Obama is an intelligent man and the best able of the candidates to get us out of this economic mess. Those of us to the left of center are in for a disappointment, however. He is choosing advisors from the Clinton administration, as in the people who deregulated the finance “industry”, as in the people who brought us NAFTA. The last thing we need is to let Israel keep dragging us down with it, but Obama has sworn to be a friend of Israel. After giving a good argument against offshore drilling (keeping our tires inflated would save more oil than drilling offshore) he caved in. He let telecommunications companies off the hook for illegal search and seizure. He will continue to hunt Bin Laden. The hunt for Bin Laden has cost us far too much already in lives, treasure and goodwill lost. Seeking one criminal is not cause to go to war and not cause to continue a war.

  29. November 6, 2008 at 22:29

    @ Steve

    “If you had self esteem, you would know you were equal without having to prove anything to anyone else, given you know you’re equal.”

    LOL Having self esteem has nothing to do with discrimination. As a lawyer I had imagined law school taught you the difference. There is a distinction between over compensating for low self esteem and discrimination. Discriminations is illegal, penalized by the law and the judiciary system protects us against it. While as loans and credit cards are handed out like candy by banks to the people who described for the purchase of said cars.

    I’m too classy to presume to know what your parents did or did not teach you as you did mine. I was taught better than that.

  30. 30 Emile Barre
    November 6, 2008 at 23:28

    Sorry to disappoint you but the world is not talking about President-Elect McAbel. The Media is talking about him. The American electorate always confuse expectation with dreams. They are perennial dreamers. That is why they are always,sooner or later, disappointed.

  31. 31 Bryan
    November 6, 2008 at 23:48

    Irene Heitsch November 6, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    The last thing we need is to let Israel keep dragging us down with it, but Obama has sworn to be a friend of Israel.

    Israel is dragging America down how, exactly? By being the only democracy in the Middle East? By being in the front line against Islamic terror? But I guess you don’t believe there is such a thing as Islamic terror since you seem to think it’s only about bin Laden.

  32. 32 Peter, Portland, OR, USA
    November 7, 2008 at 02:10

    @ Emile Barre

    The American electorate always confuse expectation with dreams. They are perennial dreamers. That is why they are always,sooner or later, disappointed.

    …and arguably the most prominent and powerful country on the planet.

  33. 33 Steve
    November 7, 2008 at 04:07

    American voters have confused salesmanship with leadership. Barak Obama is a salesman. He belongs in Amway, not in the White House.

  34. November 7, 2008 at 10:02

    Hi Brett
    King Obama, why not!
    Former French president Valéry Marie René Georges Giscard d’Estaing wants to be European president. Why not a global monarch! We’re in the age of miracles.
    Who would have thought Labour would win Glenrothes, but here it is!
    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a break with his foul-mouthed rhetoric, congratulated US President Elect Barack Obama. He said he would talk to Iran; but Israel is against it!
    They say the road to US policy in Mideast is via Tel Aviv; we’ve waited thirty years. No result! Maybe Israel isn’t an obstacle. There’s a whole world out there, no good pretending. This isn’t Solomon’s Court, or is it!

  35. 35 Nofal Elias
    November 7, 2008 at 10:48

    The media asked Sarah Palin possible 2012 run.

    “Plans for 2012 are to enrol Trig in kindergarten and see where the kids are at that time in their lives. They’re going to come first and we’ll see what happens then,” Mrs Palin said.

    What is that suppose to mean? the kids came second in this election where they are 4 years younger and need their mother most.

    What a joke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glad McCain didn’t win not even close

  36. 36 John in Germany
    November 7, 2008 at 13:54

    @Jennifer.

    It is irrelevante what colour, relevent is the Americans voted for themselves. Because they hope it will be better for them. Old story, those that are rich and I’m ok Jack, do not need a Obama.

    The man alone is enough, he is the right man at the right time. What’s bi racial? Half and Half?. Of course He’s in or out according to what political thoughts drive you. But for the World hes the man, just as he is for the American People.

    Best wishes
    John in Germany.

  37. 37 Jennifer
    November 7, 2008 at 14:43

    @John in Germany

    Americans who voted for Obama voted for a brand!

    @ Nofal

    Children are NOT solely the responsibility of their mothers. Many times I saw Sarah Palin on the news, in photos, with her kids right there with her. To hold her to a different standard because she is a mother is not appropriate.

    As for Sarah Palin in 2012; I would be very pleased with that. Anyone who wants to say that she was a drain on John McCain’s campaign is clueless. He would have sunk for certain awhile ago if it hadn’t been for her presence on the ticket. I consider that line of thinking to come again from aggressive liberals who had to attack the most “happening” person on the ticket.

    Give it awhile and you’ll see the real joke! :)

  38. 38 John in Germany
    November 7, 2008 at 15:26

    @Jennifer.
    Looks like they chose the right product, Lets face it, in life the best sales talk always succeeds. Going to the basics, many a person man or woman has fallen for the glib sales talk, sometimes it works out ok most times not. But this will turn out right, because the whole Wopld wants it to.
    John in Germany

  39. 39 Jennifer
    November 7, 2008 at 16:51

    @ John in Germany

    Some people here want everything handed to them and I don’t see that changing. Some are expecting Obama to bring change on a silver platter to each and every one of us. When they realize that isn’t going to happen we are all in for it!

    I think it’s great that you have such confidence in Obama. Please share that with our people when they become disenchanted because they don’t like what Obama is doing or they don’t feel like they’ve got a big enough piece of the pie! :) When we have something more horrible happen like an attack we may need more than your confidence and kind words though….

    P.S.

    Russia is a part of the whole world too, isn’t it? I don’t think they have a fuzzy loving feeling for us! I don’t think Obama has changed that.


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